Tony Pac

definitely better than old and new Audi A3 I gotta give audi for better screen but material and overall package, ILX is better after 10 years 🙌🏽

Flapjackura

Upgrades to make this a lot better would be minimal. Clone the general setup of the TLX2, but with one screen, maybe in this setting a touch screen integrated into the dash, add an E-parking brake, and for God's sake give it an aluminum dead pedal for the A-Spec and you have a winner.

Flapjackura

I know what I hate, and I don't hate this. Yes, some cheap materials - but looks a LOT more modern.

silverTL6

iTrader: (2)

+1, the A3 interiors may look cheap, but that's about the only knock they get unlike the ILX, which doesn't have:
- optional AWD
- optional higher performance engines / variants
- a more prestigious and aspirational brand

Given those deficiencies, you'd think Acura would be smarter and offer something competitive for less money (hence their previous Smart Luxury tagline), but instead they went the other way and offered even less car for even less money. Hopefully they'll learn their lesson with the "new compact sedan", but with the way the TLX Type-S turned out, I think we'll see an A4-sized vehicle with the base TLX's engine specs as the Type-S, so they can still say that it's their best performing compact sedan ever

loki

No one has brought up that the current Civic going on sale right about now (2022) is 11th gen. The ILX is riding on 9th gen Civic platform that came out 11 years ago. Not 11th...not 10th...9th.

ELIN

Ok, that explains why the ILX doesn't have the push-button transmission like the other Acura models.

fiatlux

I think it has to do less with the fact that it’s on the 9th gen platform and more to do with the 8DCT. The old TLX was based on the 9th gen Accord platform of the same vintage, yet the ZF9 cars had that push button transmission and the 8DCT cars had the same shifter as the ILX.

Tony Pac

It does look fresher and modern. No doubt about it. But it look like A3 had a fresh hair cut at the corner of the street barber for $5 Student price!

TSX69

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...in-2nd-quarter

American Honda Carefully Manages Supply Issues to Continue Sales Momentum in 2nd Quarter

• Release
• Photos

July 1, 2021

• Navigating parts supply issues, Honda brand manages best four-month sales period in company history
• Honda trucks leverage strong inventories as Pilot, Passport, CR-V and HR-V set June sales records
• Honda electrified vehicle sales achieve best-ever first-half sales result
• Acura SUV sales top 10,000 units in June, as strong demand for all-new MDX eclipses supply
• Acura ILX sets new June sales mark with its best month in five years

American Honda Q2Total

486,419
+65.7%

Cars

189,356
+54.4%

Trucks

297,063
+73.9%

Total

50,496
+83.9%

Cars

14,615
+114%

Trucks

35,881
+73.9%

Total

435,923
+63.9%

Cars

174,741
+50.9%

Trucks

261,182
+73.9%
American Honda JuneTotal

153,122
+33.4%

Cars

61,154
+33.3%

Trucks

91,968
+33.5%

Total

15,884
+31.6%

Cars

5,169
+92.6%

Trucks

10,715
+14.1%

Total

137,238
+33.6%

Cars

55,985
+29.6%

Trucks

81,253
+36.6%




“Through true global teamwork we have worked to navigate these challenging times to meet the needs of our customers for Honda and Acura vehicles,” said Dave Gardner, executive vice president of National Operations at American Honda. “While we face more parts supply challenges ahead that will certainly impact our sales, I am humbled by the spirit and commitment of Honda associates across sales, production, R&D and purchasing who continue their efforts to serve our customers.”





BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights

Based on strong product inventories, Honda completed the best four-month sales run in its history, including a new 2nd quarter sales record. Fueled primarily by record truck sales, cars also contributed with Civic and Accord completing a strong 2nd quarter, combining for over 53,000 sales in June.

• Honda set a new June record on sales of 137,238 units.
• Pilot, Passport, CR-V and HR-V set new June records, pushing total Honda truck sales over 81,000 units for the month.
• Sales of Honda electrified vehicles set a new first half sales mark as Insight hybrid sedan nearly matched its best June sales.
• Ahead of the sales impact of the all-new 2022 model which began arriving at dealerships late in the month, Civic topped 32,000 sales in June.

Model Notes
Building on the momentum of the outgoing model, the new 2022 Civic Sedan raises the bar in every way – design, safety, performance, and technology.


Record sales of hybrid-electric vehicles in the first half of 2021 is helping lay the foundation for the brand’s first volume BEV coming in 2024, the Honda Prologue.



BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights

Acura completed a strong 2nd quarter with June sales exceeding 15,000 even as inventories tighten as a result of strong demand and parts supply issues.

• Acura’s gateway sport sedan, ILX, set a new June record as sales reached 2,093 units – its best result in five years, while early sales from the introduction of the TLX Type S pushed TLX sales over 3,000 units for the month.
• Acura SUV sales continued momentum, topping 10,000 deliveries in June with the all-new 2022 MDX eclipsing supply as the model continues to ramp up production, and RDX posting sales of over 5,000 units.

Model Notes
Featuring a new turbo V6 and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™, the 355 hp TLX Type S is the best performing Acura sedan of all-time.


All five models in the Acura lineup, including the NSX supercar, are produced at the company’s auto plants in Ohio.





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F23A4

Unbelievable!!

fiatlux

The people have spoken; they'll overlook NVH and a rough ride for price, the badge, and the looks.

Tony Pac

Acura is on the right track! TLX sales are improving. MDX and RDX are doing well as expected. And of course, the best is ILX, the most profitable vehicle in Acura's lineup lol!

That said, well done Acura. Keep up the great work, replace the ILX and the 2K units+ sales will be guaranteed every month. Wit the the Type S of TLX and MDX, I am confident, Acura will hit their target of 200K units per year as of 2022.

On another notes, Lexus NX has to be the best vehicle for Lexus. After almost a decade and still pushing 5-6K units per month. Very impressive!

F23A4

Im not sure there's any incentive to replace the ILX. Seems to be the B13 Sentra for the brand.

fiatlux

Even if they do replace it, I can't imagine they'll stray too far from the current formula. Price it to significant undercut everything else (mid $20s), make it look pretty good on the outside, and cut costs everywhere else.

Pens Fan

As good as the sales of the ILX are -the new model will likely be introduced in early 2022 as a 2023 model.

Tony Pac

I completely understand what you are saying. The R&D, marketing and extra cost to build new features will bring their profit margin lower for sure. But Acura is aiming to sell 200K units by 2022. Therefore, it makes sense if they bring a new product to achieve that goal. At the end of the day, the ILX is a decent car compared to base Germans. Of course, the Germans give you higher model with monster engines but also the cost is almost $20K more. I mean after a decade, the interior of ILX looks better than the A3 lol!

Tony Pac

Correct. I think it will be introduced once Acura is done with TLX and MDX Type S followed by the MMC of RDX. then 2022 will belong to the new ILX.

bilirubin

The numbers from Germany aren't in yet, but so far for Q2 data...

Acura TLX: 9,271
Lexus IS: 7,365
Infiniti Q50: 4,179
Genesis G70: 2,925
Volvo S60: 2,754

...it's funny how all the naysayers claiming the TLX is a "poor seller" have gone quiet now.

Tony Pac

"Inventory problem" oh no, Acura gives discounts, oh no, the interest rate is low. Oh wait. May be the TLX is a good car at that price range? It may not be the rocket or the most luxurious car out there. but at the sticker price and of course with some discounts. It's a good deal.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

The 3rd gen TL was Acura's BEST selling sedan and if i'm not mistaken, there hasn't been another Acura model that has sold as many units. RDX highest was 63580 in 2018. So til I see the TLX reach near any of those numbers, I will remain unimpressed.

Tony Pac

I think you are right. The 3rd Gen sold close to 70K or more units in one of the years. And that was before Type S.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Correct. 2004-2006 broke record Acura sales and to this day there hasn't been another Acura model to break it.

Exact figures

2004 (77,895) units sold
2005 (78,218) units sold
2006 (71,348) units sold
2007 (58,545) units sold
2008 (46,766) units sold

Tony Pac

Wow 78K! I thought it was around 70K. But without defending Acura or TLX. The sedan market was so hot back then. Now it's kinda sad to see the sedans are dying. Everyone wants a SUV. I personally think a sedan is so much fun to drive.

F23A4

I think the 3G TL and 2G TLX sell in completely different marketplaces each within two disparate economic conditions. That said and no matter how many aspersions can be fabricated against it, the TLX is selling at a fantastic clip thus far.

leomio2.0

Why would we keep barking? The TLX did sell poorly in Q1. The facts have changed, so there's no reason to argue against it. That would be delusional. Almost like thinking a 4,150lb 355HP car was going to be a "rocket ship" ...

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree its a changed market but still look at what the 4G did back then. Was introduced & sales dropped to the mid 30,000 units. Since then the TL/TLX has outsold the end of the 3G's model, 2008, with 46,766 units sold one time in 2015.

2015 was the best year since 2008 & they sold 47,080cars. Sales then dropped back to its last high the next year with 37,156 units sold. Its dropped 3,000/4,000 units a year since.

BEAR-AvHistory

BMW sold:

BMW 3 series YTD through June 2021 23,774 units about 3,900 a month for 6 months - TLX 15,412 sold for the same period - about 2,600 a month for 6 months.

BMW 4 series YTD through June 2021 12,533* units about 2,000 a month for 6 months.

*NOTE this exceeds the full 2020 year of 12,357 units. The 4 series numbers are only Coupes. Production is now ramping up as the Convertible is now being produced.

Tony Pac

At the moment, as expected BMW 3 series is the number one seller in the segment followed by the TLX. C300 numbers aren’t out yet so I assume it’s:

3series
C300
TLX

bilirubin

The 3rd gen TL came out 17 years ago. Name ANY sedan that is selling as well now compared to 15-20 years ago. I'll wait.

The 3-series is outselling the entire class, doesn't mean the TLX is a sales failure. In fact, the TLX outsold the Audi A4/S4 in Q2 and the jury's still out vs the Mercedes C-class (numbers not in yet).

GhostTL09

iTrader: (1)

There is a thread here last year where someone said "you heard it here first. the TLX will be a flop". SMH. With the presence the car has once you see it in person, it is a hard no if you went with the intent to buy. It's Acura, a great all-around car with some cache to make you feel good about the machine your in.

Tony Pac

Well, you know there are people that will make up things just to create negative publicity. You have to simply ignore and leave them alone. The reason, I created this thread was that the previous thread for sales number was something like "Poor sales".

That said, BMW was always the leader and no matter what we say 3 Series is the King of the Jungle. When Acura had the 3rd Gen which was the best selling TL in Acura's history, still it did not beat the 3 series in terms of sales numbers. But It's amazing to see the new TLX sales numbers.

BEAR-AvHistory

FWIW Back then when the 3 series was rolling up 6 figure annual sales both the 3 & 4 series sales were a single number.

At the time the BMW coupes & convertibles were all 3 series. For marketing reasons part way through 2015 they went odds & evens numbering with evens being the 2 door cars. The dumb ass stupid 5 door "coupes" were not yet being produced.

The TL was always a strong competitor in the group which was bigger than it is now & always near the top in monthly sales.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Comical that facts hurt some feelings. You two act like the savor of Acura and had a hand in their sales numbers.. Tony, you posted that if Acura wasn't doing well in sales that they would have closed their doors. Well, did they close their doors after their failures that followed after the success of the 3rd gen TL? Let's be honest here, they didn't make anything spectacular from 2009-2017. All bread and butter economy vehicles with bland performance and styling. The better question to the both of you loyal Acura members, when you trading in the civic and that 4th gen TL for the TLX? I'll wait.

someguy11

I figured someone else would make your post mature poorly, but since no one else has, I guess I'll pile on with 04WDPSeDaN. The Legacy in the last few years is selling as well if not better than 15-20 years ago and close to it's all time peak popularity. Don't underestimate Subaru brand loyalty.
https://carsalesbase.com/us-subaru-legacy/

one4all

It's also funny seeing the discrepancy between the amount of endless praise/groupthink heaped at the Stinger/G70 on youtube/reddit/forums/facebook yet the sales figures don't reflect that at all. I guess when it comes to dropping $40-70K for a car people look beyond the on-paper value proposition. Many people just looking for basic comfortable 4-door transportation will buy a Sonata over an Accord because of styling preferences or feature/price ratio (while ignoring things like engine fire recalls, reliability, depreciation, etc). But in higher price segments buyers are a lot more discerning. Some (brand snobs) won't even want to buy their $60K luxury car from a place someone with a bunch of Kia Rios parked out front.

Hyundai/Kia have certainly come a long way, but even VW (which has the same German engineering as BMW/Mercedes/Audi) couldn't convince people to buy the W8 or Phaeton, and killed the Touareg to replace it with the borderline insulting "Americanized" Atlas. Even Acura still has issues with brand perception (see: RLX) despite selling the NSX for two decades.

This 100%. It's a near perfect formula. ILX buyers seem to be mostly millennial grads and post-grads entering the working world that are looking for something small, not an SUV, and nicer than a Civic, but don't want to spend the $$$ the Germans charge (remember when the CLA started at "under $30K"?).

Imho the design of every current Acura model is an improvement compared to the prior gen, but the ILX is easily the same-gen best face-lifts I've ever seen from Honda/Acura (another is 7G Accord). The original TLX was sleek but boring and the first face-lift was typical Honda/Acura "meh" (more chrome/gaudy wheels designs/new headlamp and taillamp lenses that don't really look better, etc.), and the execution was horrendous. When first seeing the current iteration (A-Spec) at a dealer I was stunned. My immediate thought was that it was an all-new car...until I looked inside. Externally it does not look like a 10-year old car at all. Yes it is a somewhat superficial car, but a 10-year Acura/Honda is still an Acura/Honda and comes with the same solid build quality/engineering.

Tony Pac

with all respect that I have for you, please go enjoy your BMW I will let you know when I get my next my car. And I hope you are as active in a BMW forum than here. Oh let me ask you is there a BMW forum?

Just to let you know, I am not here to show off, you don't know about what other cars I have. Let's leave it to that. I will let you shine with your X3.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

And that's your problem. You want to bring in what I own and acting like I'm gods gift here because I own two BMW's and an Acura but never once mentioned that my BMW is better than anything Acura makes or better than anything anyone on this forum owns. So get that issue out of your head, because you're clearly your own problem around here. Don't think nobody catches your antagonistic comments towards others because they don't line up with your way of thinking. I personally DON'T care what else you may or may not own as it's not part of my issue with you or the discussion here. Time to grow up Tony (Baktash), if you can't handle a conversation then log off.

Tony Pac

lol! Enjoy your BMW as I said.

BEAR-AvHistory

These are the ones I like

Some have more traffic than others as they are model Specific.

BMW 3/4 series
https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=650
BMW Z4
https://g29.bimmerpost.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=709
BMW M4
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=701

F23A4

I dont think I've cruised through Bimmerpost more than three times in the past 10 years....and it's usually because I've come across a used 335i for a decent price.