9AT Hard Shift 1-2 and 2-3
#2081
Rec'd my callback from ACR yesterday, suggesting I bring the car back again to take a drive with the service manager so they 'feel' the symptoms. I'll do the needed for my case... in the meantime I will begin filling out the lemon law paperwork.
#2082
I just got my car back from performing TSB 15-040. Pretty smooth so far. They said they had to perform the TCM and clutch break in twice.
I also had TSB 15-017 performed. It would have been nice if they told me that all of my bluetooth devices would be reset. Not a big deal, but definitely not up-to-par with Lexus, Audi, MB, or BMW service.
I didn't think my tranny was too bad, so we'll see how this goes.
I also had TSB 15-017 performed. It would have been nice if they told me that all of my bluetooth devices would be reset. Not a big deal, but definitely not up-to-par with Lexus, Audi, MB, or BMW service.
I didn't think my tranny was too bad, so we'll see how this goes.
#2083
I get your point and agree, but honestly, if that's all you have to worry about on the car, you're doing pretty good. 🙂
#2084
I'm glad the TSB was updated to correct the swapped FWD/SH-AWD VIN ranges - at least now dealerships won't be able to use that as an excuse. Bad news? My VIN is literally only a few numbers outside of the VIN range. Might as well take her in and try my luck to see what they say.
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Well, I got my car back today. They said the car gave a Diagnostic code "P2638" they Cleared it, checked for updates and did a idle learn and the vehicle shifts correctly. Apparently there were no updates needed for my car. (Don't know if I believe that).
I drove it home and it did seem less laggy, and the rough shift isn't as rough, instead there is a small delay before it shifts. I guess i'll drive it around some more and see what happens.
I drove it home and it did seem less laggy, and the rough shift isn't as rough, instead there is a small delay before it shifts. I guess i'll drive it around some more and see what happens.
#2086
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
Well, I got my car back today. They said the car gave a Diagnostic code "P2638" they Cleared it, checked for updates and did a idle learn and the vehicle shifts correctly. Apparently there were no updates needed for my car. (Don't know if I believe that).
I drove it home and it did seem less laggy, and the rough shift isn't as rough, instead there is a small delay before it shifts. I guess i'll drive it around some more and see what happens.
I drove it home and it did seem less laggy, and the rough shift isn't as rough, instead there is a small delay before it shifts. I guess i'll drive it around some more and see what happens.
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I figured the relearn would only be temporary. If the transmission starts to shift roughly again I will take it back to them. Just thankful I leased and won't have to worry with being stuck with it long term.
#2088
Styl1n
hey guys dropped my TLX off for for plastic seat issue and rear speakers. i got a 2016 MDX my god why does this jeep feels more responsive than mine? i got a new tranny in my TLX and its still so slow to move. shift are smooth at butter its show very slow shifting. anyone has these issues?
#2089
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
hey guys dropped my TLX off for for plastic seat issue and rear speakers. i got a 2016 MDX my god why does this jeep feels more responsive than mine? i got a new tranny in my TLX and its still so slow to move. shift are smooth at butter its show very slow shifting. anyone has these issues?
Nothing I'd complain about for sure, but to me points back to this 9-speed, even when fixed, has some very strange behavior.
Last edited by 1Louder; 07-21-2016 at 10:33 AM.
#2090
Styl1n
I have the new tranny as well. I like the shifts, but there is occasionally some very odd behavior when accelerating. When starting from a stop, in most cars if you press and hold the accelerator at a fixed position you'll get something close to a consistent level of acceleration or at least what I'll call a smooth curve (more response in the lower gears, less as you keep shifting). In my TLX, it surges forward then flattens out, shifts, surges again. The acceleration is very uneven and at times not very responsive to gas pedal inputs. I notice it during light or light/moderate acceleration mostly. Heavy/moderate to heavy acceleration seems to pull consistently. But in what I'd call stop-and-go traffic conditions it often does not accelerate smoothly and it has nothing to do with the shift points. I guess that's how I'd describe "slow to move". The net result for me is that it acts sluggish.
Nothing I'd complain about for sure, but to me points back to this 9-speed, even when fixed, has some very strange behavior.
Nothing I'd complain about for sure, but to me points back to this 9-speed, even when fixed, has some very strange behavior.
#2091
Racer
hey guys dropped my TLX off for for plastic seat issue and rear speakers. i got a 2016 MDX my god why does this jeep feels more responsive than mine? i got a new tranny in my TLX and its still so slow to move. shift are smooth at butter its show very slow shifting. anyone has these issues?
#2092
Anyone know whats causing that shudder at 75mph? I get that on mine too, and it cant be vcm since i get even in sport plus mode with the rpm at around 4k.
With regards to throttle response, im hoping that hondata or ktuner can come up with something soon...
With regards to throttle response, im hoping that hondata or ktuner can come up with something soon...
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#2093
Styl1n
Yes I have a '16 MDX and my TLX has a replacement tranny, but my MDX still drives way better. Throttle response is soooo much better in the MDX. The replacement tranny for the most part fixed bad shifting in the TLX, but the car still has extremely poor acceleration and now this awful vibration/shudder when driving at 75mph is the nail in the coffin, time for a new car lol. It's really frustrating that the heavier MDX feels quicker than the TLX because of how horribly integrated the TLX transmission is.
Does anyone one on here have a TLX that drives and feels like the 16 mdx?
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Well, its been over a day and the sluggish laggy 9speed AT has returned lol. I really need to drive a 2016 MDX to feel the difference. To be honest I'm just waiting to break even on my lease, I've been eyeing several other cars (Infiniti Red Sport, Charger Scat Pack, IS350 F Sport).
Coincidentally I received a Survey via email from a company about my TLX Today. I was brutally honest and filled out all the "Additional Comments" section with several lines. I really hope they read it, I also hope I win their sweepstakes for a $500 Visa Gift Card that I was automatically entered in for completing the survey lol .
Coincidentally I received a Survey via email from a company about my TLX Today. I was brutally honest and filled out all the "Additional Comments" section with several lines. I really hope they read it, I also hope I win their sweepstakes for a $500 Visa Gift Card that I was automatically entered in for completing the survey lol .
#2095
Styl1n
Well, its been over a day and the sluggish laggy 9speed AT has returned lol. I really need to drive a 2016 MDX to feel the difference. To be honest I'm just waiting to break even on my lease, I've been eyeing several other cars (Infiniti Red Sport, Charger Scat Pack, IS350 F Sport).
Coincidentally I received a Survey via email from a company about my TLX Today. I was brutally honest and filled out all the "Additional Comments" section with several lines. I really hope they read it, I also hope I win their sweepstakes for a $500 Visa Gift Card that I was automatically entered in for completing the survey lol .
Coincidentally I received a Survey via email from a company about my TLX Today. I was brutally honest and filled out all the "Additional Comments" section with several lines. I really hope they read it, I also hope I win their sweepstakes for a $500 Visa Gift Card that I was automatically entered in for completing the survey lol .
when did you get your new tranny?
#2096
Styl1n
Well, its been over a day and the sluggish laggy 9speed AT has returned lol. I really need to drive a 2016 MDX to feel the difference. To be honest I'm just waiting to break even on my lease, I've been eyeing several other cars (Infiniti Red Sport, Charger Scat Pack, IS350 F Sport).
Coincidentally I received a Survey via email from a company about my TLX Today. I was brutally honest and filled out all the "Additional Comments" section with several lines. I really hope they read it, I also hope I win their sweepstakes for a $500 Visa Gift Card that I was automatically entered in for completing the survey lol .
Coincidentally I received a Survey via email from a company about my TLX Today. I was brutally honest and filled out all the "Additional Comments" section with several lines. I really hope they read it, I also hope I win their sweepstakes for a $500 Visa Gift Card that I was automatically entered in for completing the survey lol .
#2097
Instructor
How are the other replaced transmissions doing? Especially related to the performance before replacement?
Sounds like the bumps in the shifting are resolved. Are there negative changes? Is the replaced transmission more sluggish than before? How does it do at startup? How does it do at highway speed acceleration? All this, of course, relative to how things were before the replacement.
I'm in my 500 mile "learning" period. My harsh shifting has improved in that it happens less than it used to, but still occurs. If it keeps improving I may be faced with a decision of what is better, an unpredictable bump or an unknown performance of the new transmission.
Sounds like the bumps in the shifting are resolved. Are there negative changes? Is the replaced transmission more sluggish than before? How does it do at startup? How does it do at highway speed acceleration? All this, of course, relative to how things were before the replacement.
I'm in my 500 mile "learning" period. My harsh shifting has improved in that it happens less than it used to, but still occurs. If it keeps improving I may be faced with a decision of what is better, an unpredictable bump or an unknown performance of the new transmission.
#2101
How are the other replaced transmissions doing? Especially related to the performance before replacement?
Sounds like the bumps in the shifting are resolved. Are there negative changes? Is the replaced transmission more sluggish than before? How does it do at startup? How does it do at highway speed acceleration? All this, of course, relative to how things were before the replacement.
I'm in my 500 mile "learning" period. My harsh shifting has improved in that it happens less than it used to, but still occurs. If it keeps improving I may be faced with a decision of what is better, an unpredictable bump or an unknown performance of the new transmission.
Sounds like the bumps in the shifting are resolved. Are there negative changes? Is the replaced transmission more sluggish than before? How does it do at startup? How does it do at highway speed acceleration? All this, of course, relative to how things were before the replacement.
I'm in my 500 mile "learning" period. My harsh shifting has improved in that it happens less than it used to, but still occurs. If it keeps improving I may be faced with a decision of what is better, an unpredictable bump or an unknown performance of the new transmission.
#2102
Styl1n
How are the other replaced transmissions doing? Especially related to the performance before replacement?
Sounds like the bumps in the shifting are resolved. Are there negative changes? Is the replaced transmission more sluggish than before? How does it do at startup? How does it do at highway speed acceleration? All this, of course, relative to how things were before the replacement.
I'm in my 500 mile "learning" period. My harsh shifting has improved in that it happens less than it used to, but still occurs. If it keeps improving I may be faced with a decision of what is better, an unpredictable bump or an unknown performance of the new transmission.
Sounds like the bumps in the shifting are resolved. Are there negative changes? Is the replaced transmission more sluggish than before? How does it do at startup? How does it do at highway speed acceleration? All this, of course, relative to how things were before the replacement.
I'm in my 500 mile "learning" period. My harsh shifting has improved in that it happens less than it used to, but still occurs. If it keeps improving I may be faced with a decision of what is better, an unpredictable bump or an unknown performance of the new transmission.
#2103
Styl1n
#2104
Styl1n
I think these cars were detuned from the beginning to save on gas and to allow room for the other vehicle sales. Its sad with the right program this car can be sooooo much more fun to drive. Since we have new tranny’s and it’s still the same slow performance with engine and upshifts, it may be a tuning issue. Do you guys experience slow climbing RMPs and slow upshifts?
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I drive in Sport 85% of the time, 10 percent sport + i've only used eco like 3-4 times to see if my gas mileage would be greatly improved but the throttle response and delayed shifts kept me away. Normal mode I almost Never use.
#2106
I just had the TSB 040 done, and my 2015 TLX seems fine (or at least better than it was because mine wasn't that bad to begin with). Has anyone just done the TSB and it worked because most people here seem like their not satisfied until they get a new tranny. I'm not saying a new tranny wouldn't "fix" it, but I think there's at least a few that just want something replaced to feel they got something for the their time spent.
#2107
Instructor
^^
I had four software updates in one year, and they never had an impact on the 2-3 harsh shifts. It was the worst transmission in 50+ years of car ownership. It made the driving experience unpredictable and not enjoyable, and sometimes dangerous. The new transmission has eliminated the harsh shifting completely -- so far.
I had four software updates in one year, and they never had an impact on the 2-3 harsh shifts. It was the worst transmission in 50+ years of car ownership. It made the driving experience unpredictable and not enjoyable, and sometimes dangerous. The new transmission has eliminated the harsh shifting completely -- so far.
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#2108
^^
I had four software updates in one year, and they never had an impact on the 2-3 harsh shifts. It was the worst transmission in 50+ years of car ownership. It made the driving experience unpredictable and not enjoyable, and sometimes dangerous. The new transmission has eliminated the harsh shifting completely -- so far.
I had four software updates in one year, and they never had an impact on the 2-3 harsh shifts. It was the worst transmission in 50+ years of car ownership. It made the driving experience unpredictable and not enjoyable, and sometimes dangerous. The new transmission has eliminated the harsh shifting completely -- so far.
#2109
Screen name CR172 had a rear differential replacement done. It solved the problem. I appealed for the same. It was declined by Acura for now...however, I am hopeful that a fix is in the works. Today, I took my TLX SH-AWD in for scheduling the tranny. While there, the dealer told me that Acura wants to wait on the shudder repair...Apparently another TSB is on the way for this. My service manager said the Acura rep was vague but also clear that they don"the believe that replacing the rear diff is necessary to correct the problem.
#2110
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
FWIW, I compared the MPG of all the modes when I first got the car. I used each mode over 1-2 full tanks with the same driving conditions. I actually got my best MPG in sport. I know Acura wants to "sell" eco mode like it could help mpg but I think that's entirely influenced by driving style and not the mode. The modes (to me) just represent your preference for throttle response.
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#2111
FWIW, I compared the MPG of all the modes when I first got the car. I used each mode over 1-2 full tanks with the same driving conditions. I actually got my best MPG in sport. I know Acura wants to "sell" eco mode like it could help mpg but I think that's entirely influenced by driving style and not the mode. The modes (to me) just represent your preference for throttle response.
#2112
Reached 500 miles on my new transmission and so far so good. No rough up shifts from 1-2 and 2-3 and good down shifts on slow right turns, I have power when I accelerate out of the turn. I did all 500 miles in Normal mode, I have now switched to sport. Maybe that got it fixed.
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#2113
FWIW, I compared the MPG of all the modes when I first got the car. I used each mode over 1-2 full tanks with the same driving conditions. I actually got my best MPG in sport. I know Acura wants to "sell" eco mode like it could help mpg but I think that's entirely influenced by driving style and not the mode. The modes (to me) just represent your preference for throttle response.
#2114
Summer is Coming
FWIW, I compared the MPG of all the modes when I first got the car. I used each mode over 1-2 full tanks with the same driving conditions. I actually got my best MPG in sport. I know Acura wants to "sell" eco mode like it could help mpg but I think that's entirely influenced by driving style and not the mode. The modes (to me) just represent your preference for throttle response.
I compared the mileage on the Sport, Normal, and Econ over something like the first 30-40 tanks of gas and I couldn't tell the difference. Sometimes Sport gave me the best mileage, sometimes Normal, and other times Econ... there was no "clear winner". So I said "screw it" and just drive in Sport all the time now. Econ became painful to drive. lol.
#2115
Summer is Coming
I just had the TSB 040 done, and my 2015 TLX seems fine (or at least better than it was because mine wasn't that bad to begin with). Has anyone just done the TSB and it worked because most people here seem like their not satisfied until they get a new tranny. I'm not saying a new tranny wouldn't "fix" it, but I think there's at least a few that just want something replaced to feel they got something for the their time spent.
#2116
Suzuka Master
funny you mention this. I was using Sport for first few months, gat the last TSB update and did not like the tranny still. Went to normal mode and was impressed that the tranny was acceptable, still laggy, but rough shifts were minimal. I went back to Sport mode this week and after 2 days am back in Normal. Sport is too erratic and jerky. I am still amazed how this tranny ever made it into this car. Since my lease will be up before the next FMC I don't expect to be in another Acura, probably ever. I figure I have 1 or 2 more leases then I will be setting myself up for my long term retirement vehicle. I figure next lease will be another Audi or maybe a Genesis. I expect my retirement car to be either a Genesis or Infiniti Q70 or maybe CTS or CT6 based on current offerings.
#2117
Summer is Coming
funny you mention this. I was using Sport for first few months, gat the last TSB update and did not like the tranny still. Went to normal mode and was impressed that the tranny was acceptable, still laggy, but rough shifts were minimal. I went back to Sport mode this week and after 2 days am back in Normal. Sport is too erratic and jerky. I am still amazed how this tranny ever made it into this car. Since my lease will be up before the next FMC I don't expect to be in another Acura, probably ever. I figure I have 1 or 2 more leases then I will be setting myself up for my long term retirement vehicle. I figure next lease will be another Audi or maybe a Genesis. I expect my retirement car to be either a Genesis or Infiniti Q70 or maybe CTS or CT6 based on current offerings.
#2118
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
After my software update, Sport mode was pretty nice. Very responsive. But as the transmission re-learned its bad ways the delays came back and the severe engine braking came back so that as soon as I let off the throttle the car would jerk me forward as the engine quickly slowed the car. I had hoped to keep this car for 6-7 years then get a car that I would retire with. But I have no idea now what the future of this car is for me. I've never gotten rid of a car so quickly after I purchased it. I just don't like the economics of flipping a car that quickly. But the car is just not fun to drive any more. It could be, Acura just makes it a crappy experience. Maybe I just got what I paid for and you sadly can't expect a good car for $40K anymore. I just had a Chrysler 200 rental this week and it also has this ZF transmission and it has some of the same behavior traits as my car. The 200 was a crap car, but the transmission on my TLX is not any better.
#2119
blah blah blah
Finally got my car back. The shifts are smooth and no 2-3 harsh shift at all. The part number I got was different from those who posted for their SH-AWD. Mine is 06200-5L9-A66RM. Didn't put that many miles yet but I've been so used to having the harsh shift that I wait for it to happen when I'm driving. LoL. But so far so good. Glad to be back in my TLX again after driving an ILX for almost 3 weeks.
#2120
Instructor
That is the part number shown in the TSB for the SH-AWD Advance. Maybe the other posters have different trims. There are 4 different parts depending on which V6 model you have.