Some stuff from our recent TLX training in TX.
04-18-2014, 08:44 AM
#241
COREY....WOW!! It is amazingly refreshing to hear someone in the auto industry to give solid advice to people....I have been saying this too, having 2 new and unproven transmission is not something I am overly comfortable in jumping blindly in.
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04-18-2014, 08:48 AM
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Corey, when is MMC? Would that be 2017?
04-18-2014, 09:12 AM
#243
Corey,
Did they say why they are not doing Advance trim on the 4 cylinder?
What else did they say about the RDX? I am very stoked this will be getting Advance package. Will the current non DI V6 still be used or will it be the DI 3.5? Will it get the new 9 speed transmission?
Thanks
Did they say why they are not doing Advance trim on the 4 cylinder?
What else did they say about the RDX? I am very stoked this will be getting Advance package. Will the current non DI V6 still be used or will it be the DI 3.5? Will it get the new 9 speed transmission?
Thanks
04-18-2014, 09:40 AM
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I'd personally wait for the MMC so they can solve any issues with the 8DCT, 9AT, and by the looks of things something far more alarming to me on the pictures it looks like they went to a plastic intake manifold, throttle body, and valve covers. This enrages me beyond belief. 
04-18-2014, 10:33 AM
#245
I think this is aluminum painted black. Powder coating perhaps. At least the throttle body better be metal - lol!!!! What I noticed is that nicely covered alternator, looks very "bulletproof". I also wonder if that bolt-on piece in front of the tranny is just a protective cover or actually something to unbolt for easy access to the internals of the tranny without removing the entire thing. Interesting stuff...
The plastic cover for the tranny covers the TCU, iirc. ZF's TCU is disturbingly large.
04-18-2014, 11:31 AM
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Pretty much industry standard now. Have a Ford Racing 444hp Coyote 5.0 sitting on an engine stand & the top end except for the throttle body is all thermo-plastic.
04-18-2014, 03:49 PM
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Are we certain that it is plastic...???
04-18-2014, 04:01 PM
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Could be black anodized or powder coated aluminum.
04-18-2014, 04:16 PM
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Three Wheelin'
It sounds like we are both people who can tell when the J35Y4 goes into 3 cylinder mode. They claim that we are rare...but I certainly see a lot of comments about it. Perhaps it's only enthusiasts with developed perceptions who hit the social media sites to talk about it.
:-)
Do you find it objectionable? Personally, I fully embrace it as part of the price we pay for the compromise between fuel economy and power. I don't object to it...I can just tell that it is happening.
The kind of VCM that the TLX J Motor will have is going to be just like the VCM we have in the RLX. It's 6 cylinders, or 3 cylinders. None of that in between stuff any more.
I'm sure you'll agree with me that when you have to floor it in the RLX, the VCM doesn't matter at all. You get instant, well directed power while still getting great fuel economy for the size vehicle we're talking about.
:-)
Do you find it objectionable? Personally, I fully embrace it as part of the price we pay for the compromise between fuel economy and power. I don't object to it...I can just tell that it is happening.
The kind of VCM that the TLX J Motor will have is going to be just like the VCM we have in the RLX. It's 6 cylinders, or 3 cylinders. None of that in between stuff any more.
I'm sure you'll agree with me that when you have to floor it in the RLX, the VCM doesn't matter at all. You get instant, well directed power while still getting great fuel economy for the size vehicle we're talking about.
And spot on about the responsiveness of the 3.5L with VCM...you'd never know the difference. I'm really excited to see how well this same engine handles in something smaller than the RLX. Do we know the weight specs on the TLX yet? 
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04-18-2014, 05:53 PM
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I wonder how long before we see a plastic engine block LOL.
That poses the question: if that engine has indeed a plastic intake manifold, will the GT also have a plastic intake manifold? Hmmmm....
PS. I doubt its plastic. Can't see from that angle if the lower 2 intake pieces are metal.
That poses the question: if that engine has indeed a plastic intake manifold, will the GT also have a plastic intake manifold? Hmmmm....
PS. I doubt its plastic. Can't see from that angle if the lower 2 intake pieces are metal.
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04-18-2014, 06:14 PM
#253
Honda, make us proud!
04-19-2014, 03:53 AM
#254
Summer is Coming
Can you imagine how hard and expensive it would be to make this part out of aluminum? And to save this weight over the front wheels is even better , just where you want less weight.
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04-19-2014, 05:33 AM
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Hello,
My employer supplies most of the Engineering Thermoplastics used under the hood of most cars. I work in R&D, and produce Injection Molded ISO and ASTM test specimens which are then tested in physical testing lab. The parts are subjected to fuel, oil, water, antifreeze, heat, grease, transmission fluid, and gear oil. Some parts are heat aged. After a predetermined amount of aging time, the parts are tested to see if they meet manufacturer specs.
You will see more plastic parts under the hood. Presently, I am producing parts for future and in developement cars. As long as people buy cars, I have a job to go to.
My employer supplies most of the Engineering Thermoplastics used under the hood of most cars. I work in R&D, and produce Injection Molded ISO and ASTM test specimens which are then tested in physical testing lab. The parts are subjected to fuel, oil, water, antifreeze, heat, grease, transmission fluid, and gear oil. Some parts are heat aged. After a predetermined amount of aging time, the parts are tested to see if they meet manufacturer specs.
You will see more plastic parts under the hood. Presently, I am producing parts for future and in developement cars. As long as people buy cars, I have a job to go to.
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04-19-2014, 08:15 AM
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Does vcm work in stop and go traffic? My search doesn't seem to indicate so unless this is considered engine operating under light load.
I have some concerns with the VCM long term:
http://forums.edmunds.com/discussion...ccord-vcm/p126
I have some concerns with the VCM long term:
http://forums.edmunds.com/discussion...ccord-vcm/p126
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04-19-2014, 12:59 PM
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Plastic stuff.
04-19-2014, 01:17 PM
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My experience is no. The ODY enters VCM around town at about 30mph and above. Honda has extended the powertrain warranty on VCM engines to 7 years because of some reported issues however I believe these are in the vast minority. I applaud Honda for doing so and the issues wouldn't stop me from getting another Honda product with VCM.
SH-AWD it is
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04-19-2014, 01:24 PM
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Some high output turbos are in at 30K miles. Key is without secondary port injection is oil blow by control.
I have added OCC's Oil Catch Cans to both my turbos to filter oil & oil vapor out of the intake tract. Its this oil that bakes onto the back of the intake valves & has to be blasted off.
N/A are less susceptible to the problem but every DI has it to some extent.
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04-19-2014, 07:24 PM
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If its typical look to 60/70K miles. Thing is it degrades very slowly so you really don't notice it till you start running ruff or get long cranks.
Some high output turbos are in at 30K miles. Key is without secondary port injection is oil blow by control.
I have added OCC's Oil Catch Cans to both my turbos to filter oil & oil vapor out of the intake tract. Its this oil that bakes onto the back of the intake valves & has to be blasted off.
N/A are less susceptible to the problem but every DI has it to some extent.
Some high output turbos are in at 30K miles. Key is without secondary port injection is oil blow by control.
I have added OCC's Oil Catch Cans to both my turbos to filter oil & oil vapor out of the intake tract. Its this oil that bakes onto the back of the intake valves & has to be blasted off.
N/A are less susceptible to the problem but every DI has it to some extent.
There is little to nothing which I can find and this makes me a little apprehensive to be a test mule for Honda, I am going to give it at least another year, so we can begin to get some higher mileage DI engines and see if/what could be potential issues.
04-19-2014, 07:45 PM
#262
Here is the color matrix for V6 FWD models...what a nightmare 
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04-19-2014, 07:48 PM
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People will be happy to have some options!! I love the black interior so that would have been my choice of combination
04-19-2014, 08:03 PM
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04-19-2014, 08:08 PM
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04-19-2014, 08:12 PM
#266
Colin...(LMAO) That is so true eh?! Well, it looks like Ostrich wants something different.....way to go buddy!!
04-19-2014, 08:18 PM
#267
Drifting
I surely hope that this won't happen to the TLX too!
BTW, Graphite would have have looked GORGEOUS with Espresso interior!
How about a BRIGHT RED LEATHER INTERIOR with the black, red or blue exterior colours!? Maybe that will look too hot for the TLX LOL (or at least too hot for the Acura designers who apparently are used to much tamer combinations/designs ROTFLOL).
04-19-2014, 08:57 PM
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Bear, do you know what Honda has done with these DI engines to address the inherent problems typical with DI engines?
There is little to nothing which I can find and this makes me a little apprehensive to be a test mule for Honda, I am going to give it at least another year, so we can begin to get some higher mileage DI engines and see if/what could be potential issues.
There is little to nothing which I can find and this makes me a little apprehensive to be a test mule for Honda, I am going to give it at least another year, so we can begin to get some higher mileage DI engines and see if/what could be potential issues.
OCC is a patch that works well but is not 100% effective.
There was some talk of hanging the intake valve open a bit longer into the incoming fuel mix but don't know it anyone has seriously looked into it.
04-19-2014, 10:06 PM
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I do think the BRPII would have looked better with the Espresso... well what I think Espresso is anyway.
04-20-2014, 12:53 AM
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My screen did not do well with the color chart. What color is black copper in real life? Colin's comment was interesting, my last 3 DD's were various shades of metallic gray. Broke the mold with the new car, Black Sapphire Metallic.
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04-20-2014, 01:28 AM
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04-20-2014, 01:51 AM
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I don't know if this was ever posted here before. Anyway, someone mentioned that there's a white one on Instagram - here it is - what a great colour for this car! I think it will be stunning with the brown interior. It will look very upscale and premium indeed!
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04-20-2014, 08:42 AM
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Drifting
Thanks for the pic. Have tried to imagine what it would like since the prototype unveiling. White has always been one the best and most flattering colors for the TL's, IMO. And it looks like that will be the case for this one as well.
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04-20-2014, 09:32 AM
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04-20-2014, 02:05 PM
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Don't worry Bear, the color charts don't work for anybody. LOL. I think the Black Copper is this color: http://acuranews.com/channels/acura-...5-acura-tlx-20
04-20-2014, 02:13 PM
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Three Wheelin'
Wow, that white one with something as simple as a nice dark tint is definitely going to look sharp. I too always loved the 3G in white. Anytime I saw one (the arch-nemsis to my black 3G TL) I always thought it looked sexier.
Add some custom rims that aren't too busy or gaudy and I think you've got one helluva looking sport sedan with the classic minimal futuristisc styling that is Acura. It's already been said but I'll say it again...THIS is what the 3G was supposed to evolve too. The "darwins" at Acura took that pesky wrong turn at Albuquerque, but luckily found their way back
Add some custom rims that aren't too busy or gaudy and I think you've got one helluva looking sport sedan with the classic minimal futuristisc styling that is Acura. It's already been said but I'll say it again...THIS is what the 3G was supposed to evolve too. The "darwins" at Acura took that pesky wrong turn at Albuquerque, but luckily found their way back
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04-20-2014, 05:28 PM
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Oh look - it's weather's next car (with some wheel changes, of course).
Seriously, though. This is the best looking TLX I've seen so far, probably. If I like the car when I drive it, I may move from the dark side (black/black) to something in this white color. This looks really nice.
Seriously, though. This is the best looking TLX I've seen so far, probably. If I like the car when I drive it, I may move from the dark side (black/black) to something in this white color. This looks really nice.
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04-20-2014, 06:29 PM
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Rocketsfan....LMAO!! I have quite the reputation don't I
I keep wondering if Acura is going to pull a Rabbit out of its hat and offer us a Type-S by the fall with a integrated bodykit directly from the factory making it look almost similar to the prototype and sporting dual exhausts. If you recall, the designer was saying at some point, visible exhaust tips would make to the production....could that be or did I have too much wine for supper *lol*
I keep wondering if Acura is going to pull a Rabbit out of its hat and offer us a Type-S by the fall with a integrated bodykit directly from the factory making it look almost similar to the prototype and sporting dual exhausts. If you recall, the designer was saying at some point, visible exhaust tips would make to the production....could that be or did I have too much wine for supper *lol*
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