SilverJ

I don't think *most* men care, but most men on this board care.

I did car sales a longgg time ago(before college) and know some people who do it now. I'm not sure where you work but the "dream customer" is the one who is willing to give the most profit to the dealership via price paid, buying add-ons they may or may not need, giving away their trade etc. dream customer= uneducated customer. And when I say uneducated I mean in terms of the car buying process to get the best deal. There's a reason why dealerships are referred to as stealer-ships.


Actually if the 8.7 seconds is accurate its about the same speed as a Civic for twice the price so not really.

This thread is really only a hot item for 2 reasons
1) 8.7 would be a huge step back for even the 4 CYL TSX.
2) Guys who have purchased the car implying it doesn't matter on a enthusiast forum.

Stew4HD

Dude, just let it go. You are never going to get satisfaction. It seems very important to you, for some reason.

The 0-60 number is just not as important to the vast number of regular car buyers, not the members here, as you want it to be.

As The Eagles sang:
Now, I think if you was to ask people if they care if the 0-60 was 6 or 9 seconds, I think many would say yes.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I think it's a hot topic because it seems that MotorWeek came up with a wildly inaccurate number.

SilverJ

My point exactly.


I'm not looking for "satisfaction" as you put it. Just having a friendly discussion about a car I was interested in buying. I'm just surprised that the car would be slower than its predecessor, by a fairly wide margin, and who better to discuss that fact with than a bunch of people here ?

liquidh2o

There are now a couple of users already showing that the 8.7 figure is more likely an anomaly than the norm. I'm still waiting for Motorweek to release the video of the road test in the hopes it'll shed more light on the conditions/process for clocking the 0-60 before drawing any further conclusions.

In regard to number two, I saw more people discussing how 8.7 didn't seem right than anything else. I also saw others saying that is indeed a slow 0-60 time (if that is all the TLX can really muster). There may have been a few users saying it didn't matter, but I'd say it's equally as bad having the forum flooded with users claiming the TLX is a step back based solely on one source's 0-60 results. It's overreaction on both ends, and the resulting shitfest only served to show where certain users personal bias lies.

Stew4HD

yeah, in a roundabout I made your case.

We still do not know the real and verified number. I do not believe the 8.7, why do you after seeing evidence to the contrary? To me, it's a 4 cyl, that is why I don't want it. I know the V6 is more powerful and suits me.

I don't expect a 4 cyl to push this car as fast a turbo charged car or a V6... but that is just me. YMMV

It's a good discussion! Some % of people care and some % of people don't care?

SilverJ

I don't take it as fact, which is why I proceeded a lot of my statements with "if that is the true number" .
Despite Acuras claim that the new transmission would make it "1.5 seconds faster to 60 than the previous TSX" I would guess it to probably be in the 7.5 range from Motorweek. Which if THAT were published on a thread no one would really care, as that's about par for the course for the TSX.

ttribe

Belzebutt

I don't know about you but for me, tablestakes is a car that has a great fit/finish and a Mustang does NOT have that. That's just one of the many reasons I wouldn't buy one, the others being that it's a coupe, the looks don't appeal to me, I'm not into the whole Mustang mythology/retro thing etc. So if I was sitting in a 435i and a Mustang passed me, I'd think "good for you" and I wouldn't think twice about wishing I owned one.

Yeah, SH-AWD seems to remove one of the big gripes I have about Acura, the FWD-ness. However, it's only available on the big car (not the TSX which is more the size I would be looking for) and that bigger car has its own issues like the beak, the big wheel wells, the huge overhangs, and the general Japanese anonymous look. It does have a lot of tech and pretty good fit/finish and that's why it's a good value and there's a market for it.

I'm 100% in agreement with Colin saying that 9/10 people don't care how fast the car goes 0-60, because it never occurrs to these people that the gas pedal can go all the way to the floor. These are the people who line up in the lane that has by far the most cars even though they could switch lanes. For these normal people an Acura is a great option.

Belzebutt

Go into your local Audi dealership, sit in a well-optioned A4/S4, and run your fingers along all the switches, dash materials etc.

smoooov

I don't care if you'd want a mustang or not and I doubt that mustang owner gives a crap about your 435i. He's probably thinking " there goes another snobbish fool shelling out big money for a badge". And a corvette owner who paid about same money for his car would pass that 435i and just laugh.

ttribe

You've got issues.

smoooov

Just telling it like it is.

ttribe

Actually, you're "telling it" the way you see it. It's called an opinion, and it's the height of arrogance to present your opinion as if it were fact.

smoooov

Whatever helps you sleep at night beemer boy.

ttribe

Good grief. I don't need any help sleeping at night when it comes to my car choices. You think you have it all figured out by concluding that anyone who buys a BMW does so only for the badge. Did it ever occur to you that not every single person in the world shares your utility curve?

Over the years, my wife and I have owned six Hondas and Acuras. We still own our Honda Pilot. I'd be very surprised if we purchased another Honda/Acura product anytime soon. Why? They having nothing I find satisfying anymore. Nothing. They've fallen behind nearly all of the competition.

Let me tell you something. I never really liked German cars until I finally drove one. I wasn't attracted to my first BMW because of the badge. I was attracted to it because it had a 500HP V10 based on an F1 engine. I soon realized there was a great deal more to the driving dynamics of a BMW compared to the TL I had been driving for the past five years. Now everything I look at I compare to that baseline. Maybe it ruined me and my ability to settle for something more cost effective. Oh well. As long as I can afford it, I'll live with it. Because of the badge? No. Because I've driven nothing else (other than 30 minutes in a Gallardo) that comes even close to providing the type of driving experience I crave.

So, you can keep going around proving your shallow intellectual honesty by making broad inferences about "all" owners of certain brands and couple it with your arrogant "Tell it like it is", B.S., or you can act like a grown up and recognize that the world is a dynamic place filled with a plurality of opinions and desires, none of which are any more or less important than your own. At that point, you might finally figure out how to play nice in the sandbox. Something most of us learned in kindergarten.

BEAR-AvHistory

As someone who has owned Corvettes for about 32 years of my driving life I can't remember laughing at what someone else was driving. Just never occurred to me.

Priced out the Stingray I would buy @ $68K give or take. Decided to do a Bucket List item & bought the 435 & FFR Cobra instead. Should I choose to laugh as I drive by something the Cobra is a mid 11 second car out of the box which puts it up on a lot of cars. That said there is always something faster.

Typically the guys I have met at 1/2 mile airport runs are very helpful to each other & don't see anyone laughing at anyone else's expense.

I am not sure what kind of thought process would lead you down that path but its not a good plan.

ttribe

BTW, smoooov, have you any idea what Bear is building in his garage right now? What he's owned in the past (aside from the Corvettes he just mentioned)? If you did, you might realize he knows his stuff and his opinions are, at least, worth respecting even if you don't agree.

vbx

The only time I laugh is when some idiot tries to race me on a busy HWY in a new car their parents just bought them.

I think people still call it the "ricer fly bys".

smoooov

Well my original comments were directed towards Belzebutts comments but you 2 had to chime in because you're all butt hurt that someone doesn't feel your BMWs are such hot shit. Sorry if I hurt your little feelings but you'll get over it.

ttribe

Seriously? You can't act like a grown up at all? I don't give a damn whether you like my car. It's your juvenile generalizations that pissed me off. Quit acting like an asshat and you might find this a good board to learn on, especially since Acura seems to be becoming a transition brand rather than an end destination for more and more people.

ggesq

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And we are done here too.