9SpeedTran

I just saw the Motorweek video for the 2007 TL Type S (same model I have), and their 0-60 for that was 5.8 sec. Just sayin.

BEAR-AvHistory

^^^^

Thing is this is a 0-60 thread & its hard not to talk about 0-60 in it. Now up to 42 posts on something that does not matter.

Speaking of unimportant matters, wonder what all the wishing & hoping for 300, 320 & 350HP before the launch & now along with a more powerful type S is all about.

4WDrift

2015 Acura TLX: Chassis - Honda.com

Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD)
The TLX SH-AWD features a new hydraulically-controlled iteration of Acura's acclaimed Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®), which progressively distributes optimum torque not only between the front and rear axles, but also between the left and right rear wheels. Like its P-AWS counterpart, the TLX SH-AWD system is complemented by the brake torque effect of Agile Handling Assist.
...
This next-generation SH-AWD system is 25 percent lighter and utilizes new hydraulic control to overdrive the rear wheels by 2.7 percent (compared to 1.7 percent for the previous system), enabling greater turning forces at reduced speeds and in tighter corners (see Powertrain for additional detail).

While brake torqued 0-60s are faster, how many people are driving like that on the street? And I'd think that whether electronic or hydraulic, AWD's would be designed to at least keep up with driver input / car dynamics whether on or off track.

Also watching the video review, to me the handling of the I4 P-AWS in the slalom looks pretty good, not as much sway (rear tracking) as some cars and reasonably flat too.

fsttyms1

So if this stuff is unimportant, what is? How the car rides? How the leather feels? What isnt important to some is to others Just sayin..

draph

Not pure speculation - astute observation. Check out this video - - around 11:44 and compare it to the Motorweek test (which doesn't appear to be online yet). The driver of the car in this test claims it "feels like" sub 7 second 0-60; but, interestingly, if you watch the video closely, it seems to run from 11:44 to 11:52 from 0 to 60, which is closer to 8 seconds. Maybe he wasn't flooring it for the video....

BTW, we all have our biases. I leased a 335 Sport 6MT from 2007 to 2010 until I saw the light and purchased a TL SH-AWD 6MT. The TL steering isn't as good as the 2007 335, but better than current 3 series IMHO. The wonderful flat torque curve of the turbo 6 in the '07 335 certainly isn't in the TL. The TL SH-AWD 6MT is .3 seconds slower to 60 than the 335 I had, if you believe C&D; but the TL puts power to the ground much, much, much better coming out of a corner than the open rear diff 335i did (it should be a crime to have open diff with that much torque). I still miss the auto up/down on all 4 windows and photochromic side mirrors standard on the 335 in 2007, along with bi xenons....but Logic 7 with its joke "subwoofers" under the seats sounds terrible compared to Acura's ELS. BUT, if the TLX doesn't get a 300+hp Type S with 6MT and SH-AWD, I could find myself in a BMW store again some day - that is if the next generation Chevy SS doesn't show up with 7MT and an LT1 V8 under the hood first.

SilverJ

Wow. So my wife's hairdressers 17,000 honda Fit is faster than the 35,000 TLX. But hey, its all about how "tossable it is" and 0-60 doesn't matter right ?
I'll stick with my 0-60 5.5 second 3rd gen TLS. You can have all the tossability you want, that is friggin slow.

BEAR-AvHistory

^^^^^
"Its tossable" is kind of like the blind date that "has a great personality".

Draph, Will have to disagree on the 3 series handling. My 3 series, 2011 to 2014, was a 335is pretty much considered the pick of the litter for the E90 series. Current 435M-Sport with the real time active suspension & M-Performance brakes will quite easily out handle it. It will also cover the same twisty road sections to the house quicker than my 135is with less drama.

winstrolvtec

Not sure what the importance of who cares about it vs who doesn't is? Shouldn't we be more concerned about our own wants and needs and how it or anything else relates? Seems to me that there can be those who don't care and those who do, there is no rule that it either has to be important or it doesn't, even at Acurazine.

Truth is for the majority of the buying population it doesn't matter and many don't know what it can or can't do before purchasing. Thousands already have taken possession and most likely not one with a single true idea of what it's performance measures may or may not be. Again, because how it feels, responds, and drives (even in terms of acceleration), and mostly in the context of daily driving, is typically more important to the masses than how it truly measures up to anything else. This is not TLX or Acura buyers/shoppers exclusive.

And it's one test, it may prove to be the fastest, the slowest or the average, I'm going to wait for a spectrum to be released or at least a few others to get a better idea of it's "range'. And since 0-60 is of moderate importance to me personally, I'm probably not going to pay much attention to the I4 in the first place anyway.

vbx

They should have pressed the switch for sports mode when testing. Lol

Nexx

in all honesty, our TLS's arent fast lol.

012TL-GLM

Hmm, fast in my book is anything sub 5 second 0-60

between 5-6 seconds is quick

The new Camry V6 got a 5.8 by Motortrend...

While the TLX isn't a track car, if the SH-AWD isn't sub 6 that's just pathetic on Acura's part

BEAR-AvHistory

Will not comment on a non six second TLX will agree that the goal posts have moved from the 5 second to 4 second bracket to those interested in sport sedan acceleration.

Maybe I will comment on 6/7 seconds. My 66 GTO Tri-Power, Ram Air, 4MT, 3:70 Posi - quick in its day - stock off the showroom floor was about a mid/upper 6 second car.

Things have come a long way when a 4 door family car is thought of as being slow for being in the Muscle Car 6 second performance bracket.

012TL-GLM

^^^

Well, I'm quite a bit younger and my profession is Network Administration. Technology moves at the speed of light, so for me its very hard to understand what simple tech in cars impresses folks so much. I mentioned the Camry as I just read the motor trend article. Granted its quite a bit lighter than the TLX, but its still running a 6 spd auto, and a dated 3.5L V6.

I don't have high hopes that Acura will release a *sport* version anytime soon, or that it will have much, if any, more power. My sights have moved to BMW/Lexus for my next sedan.

I think Acura has nailed down the luxury SUV segment. Our daily driver is an MDX. I can see buying those for the foreseeable future, but when my TL stops being fun to drive I doubt another Acura sedan occupies my garage

dysonlu

You didn't answer my question. Where's the "wound up"?

Passing curiousity does not equal being "wound up".

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The thing is, even the 100lb heavier TSX wagon 5AT is faster as it can do 0-60mph in 8.1s.
2011 Acura TSX Sport Wagon Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

And the 100lb lighter TSX 6MT is capable of 0-60mph in 6.7s.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2009-acura-tsx.pdf

Motor Trend also pulled a 7s 0-60mph run with the TSX 6MT:
2010 Acura TSX Manual First Test - Motor Trend All Pages

Motor Trend's TSX wagon test resulted in a 0-60mph time of 8.3s:
2011 Acura TSX Sport Wagon First Test - Motor Trend All Pages

Edmunds also did a test on the TSX wagon 5AT and got 0-60mph in 8.4s with 1ft rollout (8.8s without the rollout)
2011 Acura TSX Sport Wagon Road Test 2

Edmunds's test of the TSX 6MT resulted in 0-60mph in 7.2s:
2009 Acura TSX Road Test

It's safe to say that for the 6MT TSX, it takes about 7s to reach 60mph. For the 5AT wagon, it takes 8s.

The TLX's DCT is faster than both 6MT and 5AT, while being more efficient than the 5AT so that it should be putting more power to the wheels. the extra gears should make launching faster as well.

The TLX is heavier by 100lb than the TSX 6MT, which is 3% more. But there's 5hp (2.5%) more horsepower and 12lbft (7%) more torque. I'd say the extra power and torque is enough to offset the weight gain.

And when you use the Accord's power ratings and its real world performance figures (0-60mph in 6.6s), the TLX should definitely be faster than the time achieved by Motor Week.

The TLX is 200lb (6%) heavier than the Accord Sport 6MT. But the TLX also has 17 hp (9%) more.

I think it's more like 0.3-0.5s faster with the 1ft rollout.

jeich182

I see your logic there and agree but you're missing one possiblity. Maybe Acura has the software programmed for soft(er) launches so they can introduce the transmission to the public and get a large sample size going before they allow it to work at its full potential?

SilverJ

Well, its all relative. I understand in "boy racer, fast and furious wannabees land" 0-60 in 5.5 isn't fast. But for me its plenty fast.
0-60 in 8.5 seconds for a car that markets itself as a sports sedan is pretty pathetic.

Stew4HD

I still have a hard time believing the 8.5 time though it isn't what drives my buying decision. I have driven the car a few times now and it feels plenty fast to me as it will for most people, I believe. How fast it will go from 45 - 65+ is what I consider... but I am obviously in the minority here.

sstfnv

I will test my 2.4 DCT and will post in a few days. But I can tell you that it is a significantly faster than my 2012 TSX and faster than my brother's 2015 Mazda6. I'm not sure how they got these numbers.


I will be testing with an "AIM Solo" gps data logger.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Thanks - I hope you get a significantly improved time or else I'm afraid I'll be forced to trade my TLX in on a Chevy Malibu which runs 0 to 60 in 6.3.

My fate is in your hands good sir!

Stew4HD

No Ford Fusion?

vbx

If u care about 0-60, just get a V6.

The 4 is for those who want to save a little money.

BEAR-AvHistory

^^^^^
If you could do it with math based on factory published power numbers no one would have to go to the track. Factory rated horsepower does not mean very much so the "this is to that therefore that will be to this" is a waste of effort.

Using the TSX as a base is not a great plan. In real life at Drag Times only one made the 14 second bracket all the rest were in the 15's. Not a big sample but mid 15 as a data point was pretty consistent.

The TLX will do what it can do & the big three magazines will get the best numbers out of them by flogging them to near death. Numbers that 99.9% of the Average Joe drag racers cannot match.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

That would explain the slow 0-60mph time. But the 1/4 mile trap speed is mind boggling. 87mph trap speed is on par with a 2014 Honda Civic HF CVT that has 143hp.

Trap speed should not be affected by the launch of the car and is almost always a very good indication of the actual power of the car.

Basically, Motor Week is telling me that the TSX 2.4 is no faster than a CVT equipped Civic. The IS250 AWD 6AT also has the same 87mph trap speed. And that car is burdened with AWD and a weight of 3800lb.

SilverJ

I know 0-60 isn't everything. But shoot, even guys who own the car have to admit 0-60 in 8.5 seconds is really, really slow, considering the TL and even the TSX's history.
I could see if this car cost 15-20K, but it doesn't.

SilverJ

What was the tossable rating ?

hddnav

Nothing wrong with saving a little money, as well as the improved fuel economy, but it'd be terribly embarrassing when a minivan (like my 2008 Sienna that waddles like a pig, with its 266hp V6 and goes from 0-60mph in 7.1sec), smokes the 4-cylinder TLX when there's a race to a freeway onramp exit lane from a stoplight. And yes, I have surprised many so-called sports sedans with my minivan.

A much slower-than-average 0-60 time for the TLX basically translates to the driver having to know his place in the automotive street jungle, or risk being spanked by the most pedestrian of cars. I imagine that it'd be much easier to stomach if the car had no sporting pretensions at all.

hddnav

The sad thing is that toss-ability is exactly what they use to sell econo hot-hatches, like Civics and Scions. Doesn't sound as appealing when applied to $35k Acuras.

hddnav

It can be reasoned that the 6MT should put more power to the wheels than the DCT, because the DCT does indeed have a torque converter. On the other hand, the DCT should shift more quickly than the 5AT (although the term "lightning quick" is really a Marketing term, not a technical one), but the 5AT needs to upshift less often than the 8-speed DCT. Now, which one is more efficient in a 0-60 run... a slower shifting 5AT, or a faster DCT that requires more upshifts?

vbx

I'm looking at the numbers and with all things being equal. The 6mt's are faster then it's automatic counterpart.

It may "shift faster", but it doesn't shift when you want it to so it ends up being a slower lap speed.

Unfortunately, since the TLX doesn't have a 6mt option, we can't say. But comparing the previous cars. 6mt are faster.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Just for fun I looked up the 0 to 60 time for my very first car - a 1974 Chevy Vega (I know... I know...)

The Vega ripped off 0 to 60 in a smoking 18.5 seconds.

Eighteen. Point. Five. Seconds.

The TLX is a friggin rocket ship compared to that!!

Rocket. Ship.

And for the record - if someone in a minivan wants to blow past me to hit a freeway onramp I'm quite okay with smiling and waving at them as they do it - cause they may be able to beat me in a race but at the end of the day when they pull into the garage they're still driving a minvan

SilverJ

I'm sure there will be some who don't care at all about whether or not the car is minivan slow and probably a large chunk who do care but cant do anything about the 35K they just plopped down, I would think most people do care. Acura markets the TLX as a sports sedan, and there ain't nothing sporty about a car that is as slow as the lowest model in Honda's entire lineup. Not to mention a bunch of minivans.
You shouldn't have to pay a 7000 premium to get a reasonably fast car.
Who exactly is running Acura these days ?

Stew4HD

Just look at who's driving most 3G and 4G TL's. I see mostly women in my area and they are driving slower than most of the traffic flow (not all but most). Not that all women don't care about 0-60, some do but I would guess that most do not.

It's just my observation.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Great - so not only did I just buy a "Chick Car" but I bought a slow one at that! Good thing I'm secure in my manhood or I would be frantically looking up the phone number of my old therapist right now

jeich182

Can we stop trying to justify it? It's a poor time; not only for the segment but for the industry as a whole, no two ways about it. However I'm convinced its an outlier and as more tests are done we'll see the car closer to where we expect it to be.

hddnav

Which is exactly why my daily driver is a TL SH-AWD .

The minivan is one unpretentious vehicle, though. It's all about functionality and absolutely nothing else. Jokingly, the minivan is the fat ugly woman who can sure make a delicious meal.

Which only makes it more brutal when a so-called sports sedan gets its doors blown off by the minivan.

CARLOS10

That why all these test are tainted. Why the TSX never get all these positive review that
2.4 TLX is getting if the performance is almost the same ???.
Some tester say the 2.4 TLX is a rocket , a gunshot , a misile . What happen ??.

Stew4HD

Solar flares happened?

BEAR-AvHistory

Not exactly sure what "curiousity" is but expect over 1000 hits a day in just three days is a tiny bit more than just passing interest.

By example the TLX test drive thread took almost 2 months to make 3,000 hits. Guess there is less passing curiosity in the TLX in general than the 0-60 times that the fanboys no longer think is important.

Your results may differ.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I suspect it may be a point of interest but not sure how it ranks on the importance scale. Speaking for myself I find it fun to read about HP and skidpad numbers and 0 to 60 results but could care less about it in reality.