TLX35

If this is true, Canada here I come!

neuronbob

I did this with my 3G TL. I put down a deposit based on the final spy pix released and received the first one delivered at my dealership. Thankfully, it was an awesome car. I had some faith and basic expectations, having driven a 2G TL before. From the aggressive pricing, I think this will be a strong seller. I have certainly taken notice.

Rocket_man

Just price alone, not trying to compare features... I'm glad they didn't try to price it like the RLX. I think they got the pricing right.

US Pricing, no destination:

2014 TSX 2.4 Base - $30,635
2015 TLX 2.4 Base - $30,995

2014 TSX 2.4 Tech - $33,735
2015 TLX 2.4 Tech - $35,025

2014 TL V6 Base - $36,030
2015 TLX V6 Base - $35,220

2014 TSX V6 Tech - $39,270
2014 TL V6 Tech - $39,760
2015 TLX V6 Tech - $39,250

2014 TL V6 Advanced - $41,960
2015 TLX V6 Advanced - $42,500

2014 TL SH-AWD Base - $39,580
2015 TLX SH-AWD Base - N/A

2014 TL SH-AWD Tech - $43,310
2015 TLX SH-AWD Tech - $41,450

2014 TL SH-AWD Advanced - $45,510
2015 TLX SH-AWD Advanced - $44,700

Rocket_man

Isn't the leather on the Advanced higher quality than the Tech? From the Advanced package the only thing I want is the ventilated seats. The remote start is nice as is the CMBS, but the rest I don't need. There is more in the Tech package than I was expecting. So I'll have to figure out if it is worth it to go from an I4 Tech @$35K to a V6 Advanced @$42K.

I think the I4 Tech will be the top selling trim level.

The opening looks identical to the Accord so technically they would have had to engineer it out. The difference in manufacturing costs is probably small and the TSX already had it. But I think from a marketing standpoint it will be well worth it. The trunk space in the TLX looks really nice. It is the only thing that kept me out of the 4G TL.

I think this car is looking pretty good. Just need to drive the I4 and V6 and see if it is the car for me.

Acura_Dude

brutustlx

A call out to Colin any word on the Tech also getting an upgrading wheel design, as I recall we saw the 2.4 with the nicer rims the v-type spoke?

Hydrophobic11

$47,490 CAD actually makes the AWD Elite $100 cheaper than the 2014 TL AWD tech. With this price, the TLX may take a decent amount of sales from Lexus' IS250 in Canada.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Yea. An IS250 RWD with the luxury package is already at CAD$45k without the F Sport package.

Edward'TLS

With a reduced price tag than the outgoing 4G TL, looks like the TLX will be a winner for Acura.

LNJ

Now with the new TLX being 3.8" shorter than the outgoing TL, is the interior going to be smaller to be inline with their Q and IS competitors or did they just reduce front and rear overhang?

a35tl

Supposedly, the interior volume will be right on par with the 4G TL, which I think is just about perfect for the TLX.

beach109

This is true, but I can say, having been in the "base" cars without leather, unlike the RLX you can still pick other interior colors (i.e. not just black) and it feels better. Actually the last one I sat in was a Fathom Blue & Graystone base 2.4L and without realizing it, I didn't even notice the difference in seat materials. It's nice.

Base 2.4L and 3.5L cars have this, then Tech adds leather, and Advance adds perforation for the Ventilation.

beach109

Correct. If anything, the TLX feels in outside and inside room, a lot like the 2004-2008 TL. The current 4th gen is long and stretched out, but with pinched windows and high sills. The TLX isn't as large overall but fits well inside.

JM2010 SH-AWD

This might explain the aggressive pricing. Now you need to get the Advance model to get the Milano leather, which used to come on the Tech?

Rocketsfan

I'm confused. It sounded like, and I had thought I read, that the base models don't have leather (possibly fake leather) and that the Tech and Advance trims come with Milano leather.

Rocket_man

The fake leather in the Lexus is quite nice and much more durable than the real stuff. Early attempts at fake leather were very obvious and left like thick vinyl. I think they have come a long way since then. The material in the Lexus could not be perforated. Maybe that is a limitation of the material. If they can figure out how to make it perforated (and therefore ventilated) I'd not really care if my car had this stuff or real leather. But at the higher end of the price range people expect the real stuff. But even these cars will have the fake stuff on non-touch surfaces. Now they just have to get it to smell like leather in that new car smell..

Colin

I don't know if there is a distinction between Tech leather and Advance perforated leather (beyond the perforations). I don't believe this information has been officially provided yet.

Tonyware

Yes thats true. I was looking at all these numbers and still trying to figure out how they'll make any money out of this car. I guess the investments in infrastructure, business decisions to move production around the US and Canada and I am sure cost cuts... are all paying off, enabling Acura (and Honda) to provide much more competitive pricing for each car in each class and pass on savings to the consumers. But who am I kidding, I am sure they are looking at a much bigger picture we mortals here in AZ don't know yet !

(ok, now lets see the Type S and the 2 door CLX SH-AWD Tyle S with a twin turbo 3.7 )

LNJ

They have to recoup the loss they made on their stupid beaks somehow!
What better way than to be more price competitive than your rivals?

Rocketsfan

As much as you can see how much in terms of incentives other manufacturers throw down, I'm sure we're all being screwed by all the manufacturers in terms of what we pay for what we pay for...

ostrich

Thank you so much! I am amazed that the TLX pricing will be LOWER than the comparable 2014 TL models!!! Acura is going all out with its pricing this time - for a fully loaded 328i with X-Drive, the price difference will now be over $10,000!!! WOW!

Now, I am particularly excited to see that for the Canadian Tech and Elite models (Elite = Advance in US), the features include heated front AND REAR seats, LED fog lights, as well as heated steering wheel:

"...Further, the TLX Tech and Elite trim levels add a host of available features, including Premium Milano leather-trimmed interior, a remote engine starter, heated rear seats, a heated steering wheel, LED fog lights, and more. The 2015 Acura TLX will also be available with a suite of safety and driver-assistive technologies, including the Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow and Blind Spot Indicator (BSI)."

Now, that is pretty exciting! Are the heated rear seats and heated steering wheel Canadian only features???

ostrich

BTW, this means that in Canada, the RLX Elite (PAWS) will be about $15,000 more expensive than the TLX 3.5 SH-AWD Elite!!! Now, that is a HUGE pricing difference.... what is Acura going to do with the RLX??? They will have to lower its MSRP some time somehow....

Acura_Dude

True.

Healingduck

Wow.... that pricing is definitely going to catch a lot of people's attention. That combined with how good the car actually looks will definitely make some people look at Acura more seriously when car shopping.

I was on the fence with if I loved the car or not assuming the starting price would be a bit higher. But with that price point, it would definitely be at the top of my list of cars I'd consider in that price range. If I can justify selling or trading in my car anytime soon, this will definitely be the car I upgrade to if I like it in person. But I probably won't test drive one anytime soon because I don't want to end up walking away with one just yet.

KeithL

I am sure they are making money on every car. So if you look at an Accord which tops out are $34K then it tell you how cheap it is to really add all the tech features. They do gain some economies of scale by building the car along side the Accord and using the same platform. What I don't think they will do is offer deep discounts. I think the car will sell well and that will mean they do not have to offer large cash incentives.

KeithL

There are rumors on RLX threads that maybe true SH-AWD will appear at MMC and that price realignment will occur. I think that is what needs to happen. The advance with real SH-AWD at $58-60K is reasonable. Then make SH-AWD RLX Tech and a base car and if the vaporware RLH Sport Hybrid does appear then that should be a Advance trim only model for maybe $62K

neuronbob

If Acura can't get the sport hybrid RLX out anytime soon, they will have to do something. Regular SH-AWD could be an option, I suppose. I get the feeling, though, that they will go big and not do that, wanting to differentiate the RLX from the TLX.

For me it doesn't matter because since the sport hybrid is on indefinite delay--we have now been waiting 18 months after initial announcement-- I'll definitely be test driving a TLX SH-AWD. At this pricing, it'd be nuts not to do so. I agree that we are not going to see major discounts for a while on this one because of the aggressive pricing.

atsx1313

wow I hope acura do well in this segment.. game changer baby!!

Colin

Well I wouldn't want to be a party pooper but in my 18 years selling Acuras they have never reduced the price of a car except with a full model change and only then rarely (1998 > 1999 TL).

I believe the only alternative for them is to continue offering factory to dealer incentive money, and/or combining trim levels to improve the value. For example, they could say that all RLXs are now standard with leather and navigation at the base model's price. Effectively making the technology package the base model without actually saying it. Of course, this creates a new problem where Technology Package models across the lineup are no longer equal in feature content. Something they seem to be working towards and something they need to do.

KeithL

True, tweaking the trims, adding SH-AWD and holding the price might be good enough.

Colin

In my opinion they will never add mechanical all-wheel-drive. It's probably cheaper to just give $6000 factory to dealer cash per car.

Tonyware

Wish this could be true. But nobody is going to enter a price war, let alone Acura. Any corporation out there with sane management (yep there are some insane too - lol), knows very well that price wars creates losers. Innovation, on the other hand, is the secret to success, regardless of price.

My guess is that they are on track with the RLX, but it will take a while. Its not like they are working with unlimited resources and they are very focused on what they do. At least this is the impression I have of the new management at Acura.

KeithL

There are people in the northern climates that want/need AWD and with the limited RLXh production when it finally ships will mean those are lost customers.

Colin

Yup. Can't will 'em all. Seriously, they're selling 300 a month and adding more models means every dealer gets ... 1/2 a car in one color only? There is the MDX, RDX, TLX all available with AWD. If that doesn't suit some, there is a point where you have to quit.

Acura_Dude

I still think the RLX is nice car. Obviously I haven't done any comparison between the RLX and TLX, but I do hope it's a enough difference between the 2 models and not too much overlapping like the last generations.

Colin a quick question: How many Acura dealerships are there in the US? I used to be able to actually look them on by state on acura.com, but since they did an update, you need an address, city or zip code and go from there.

I wonder how many dealers in Canada as well? I may google it.
EDIT: Wikipedia said there's 210 Honda dealerships and 50 Acura dealerships in Canada.

Colin

~260.

internalaudit

I thought the entire Acura line up will get an AWD version beginning in 2016 Colin? Sorry I may have missed the context from which you based your response.

motegi

Now that the stats are out we can see that the 2015 TLX loses about 5 cubic feet from the interior passenger volume of the 2014 TL . The trunk space remains roughly the same or slightly better depending on the trim level.

Somewhat more surprising is that the 2015 TLX passenger cabin is also slightly smaller than even the 2014 TSX at 93.3 vs 94.5 cu ft. The trunk volume on the TSX is nearly the same as the TLX Advance.

Here are the numbers:

2015 TLX
Compared to

2014 TL

2014 TSX

holografique

The better option is to update the RLX with some of the features that it's sorely missing to make it worth the extra cost (e.g. IDS, Heated-steering wheels, rear seat A/C controls, better ambient internal lighting, better suspension, automatic trunk, HUD (optional, not just stuck to the RLXh), regular SH-AWD option, improved NAV performance, remote start included (not optional)...the list goes on.

quanaman

iTrader: (4)

I work at the World's largest Acura dealer. I can confirm some of the pricing for the TLX.

PM me if you have any questions. We are expecting demo vehicles in by the end of the month and are accepting deposits as well. Should be fun