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10-01-2015, 03:32 PM
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I was just thinking about asking this myself... I'm at 3400 miles at 70%. Car is only 4 weeks old (yes, I put a lot of miles on a car... hence, no lease for me)
Curious to know when the maintenance minder gets down to 10% (due soon) for various folks here. By my calculations, I'm looking at every 10K or so. Of course, with Synthetic I have no concerns about going 10K. I did that in my 2008 TSX and she gave me 225,000 trouble-free miles.
Curious to know when the maintenance minder gets down to 10% (due soon) for various folks here. By my calculations, I'm looking at every 10K or so. Of course, with Synthetic I have no concerns about going 10K. I did that in my 2008 TSX and she gave me 225,000 trouble-free miles.
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I drove my first TLX a lot. In the first 10 weeks I logged 7,400 miles. My maintenance minder still didn't come up, but I was past-due having my tires rotated so I had the oil changed as well. I think it was still around 30% if I remember correctly.
10-02-2015, 07:33 AM
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I was just over 8,000 miles I think - the maintenance minder takes a number of factors into consideration to determine when you need to get your service. Blokes who mainly do stop and go city driving in 200 degree temps will hit the 5% before blokes who drive highway miles in 70 degree temps and the etc.
I've got 99 problems however, with the maintenance minder, worrying about when to service my car isn't one of them.
I've got 99 problems however, with the maintenance minder, worrying about when to service my car isn't one of them.
10-04-2015, 12:21 PM
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Acura does not use break in oil. Factory fill is the same oil you get in normal servicing. High pressure wear parts are coated with molly during assembly.
The mid will tell you when you need a change, why over think the process when most are not automotive engineers or engine builders?
The break-in oil thing & 3,000 mile changes is right out of the 1960's & just as obsolete.
The mid will tell you when you need a change, why over think the process when most are not automotive engineers or engine builders?
The break-in oil thing & 3,000 mile changes is right out of the 1960's & just as obsolete.
10-04-2015, 02:20 PM
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Acura does not use break in oil. Factory fill is the same oil you get in normal servicing. High pressure wear parts are coated with molly during assembly.
The mid will tell you when you need a change, why over think the process when most are not automotive engineers or engine builders?
The break-in oil thing & 3,000 mile changes is right out of the 1960's & just as obsolete.
The mid will tell you when you need a change, why over think the process when most are not automotive engineers or engine builders?
The break-in oil thing & 3,000 mile changes is right out of the 1960's & just as obsolete.
My MDX Had special brake in oil high in molly.
There is a note in manual not to change first oil early...
But i don't see same note in Tlx manual....
10-04-2015, 02:49 PM
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Frequently Asked Questions | FAQ | Acura Owners Site
Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?
Your Acura engine was delivered with an oil that is specially formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural" wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing process.
Acura strongly recommends this special oil be left in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual, based on your specific driving conditions.
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"Q: My Acura is equipped with break-in oil, should I change it early?
A: No. To ensure proper engine break-in, the factory-fill engine oil needs to remain in the engine until the first scheduled maintenance interval.
The factory fill oil is the same as Acura Service Replacement Oil. The difference is the Molybdenum lubricant that is applied to specific internal engine components."
If they were using Molly Oil as the break in oil they would have a very short break-in period to first oil change. See the 409 comment The oil filter very quickly plugs up when using Molly break-in oil.
There is significantly less molly in the system when just the individual high pressure stressed parts are coated prior to assembly.
Anyone who has changed a camshaft using the inclosed molly packet knows this.
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10-04-2015, 05:18 PM
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Maybe you should get current & read some FYI's from Acura. My 409/409 HAD 3,000 mile oil changes & a 1000 miles first change but the new Chevy's have increased it a bit.
"Q: My Acura is equipped with break-in oil, should I change it early?
A: No. To ensure proper engine break-in, the factory-fill engine oil needs to remain in the engine until the first scheduled maintenance interval.
The factory fill oil is the same as Acura Service Replacement Oil. The difference is the Molybdenum lubricant that is applied to specific internal engine components."
If they were using Molly Oil as the break in oil they would have a very short break-in period to first oil change. See the 409 comment The oil filter very quickly plugs up when using Molly break-in oil.
There is significantly less molly in the system when just the individual high pressure stressed parts are coated prior to assembly.
Anyone who has changed a camshaft using the inclosed molly packet knows this.
"Q: My Acura is equipped with break-in oil, should I change it early?
A: No. To ensure proper engine break-in, the factory-fill engine oil needs to remain in the engine until the first scheduled maintenance interval.
The factory fill oil is the same as Acura Service Replacement Oil. The difference is the Molybdenum lubricant that is applied to specific internal engine components."
If they were using Molly Oil as the break in oil they would have a very short break-in period to first oil change. See the 409 comment The oil filter very quickly plugs up when using Molly break-in oil.
There is significantly less molly in the system when just the individual high pressure stressed parts are coated prior to assembly.
Anyone who has changed a camshaft using the inclosed molly packet knows this.
I am not getting something, what it got to do with Chevy?
You stated that it is same oil used in factory and regular maintenance, manual states that it is not... +I think it is high on zinc, but i am not sure on that one...
Mr Bear, i am sorry, but maybe you should get current..lol
AZuser, you nailed it.
10-05-2015, 07:31 AM
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What the Chevy has to do with it was it used actual break-in oil in the high performance engines which had to be purged in about 1000 miles. They no longer use break-in oil.
You mentioned Zinc. Break-in oil does contain zinc, phosphorus, molly etc. What it does not contain is friction modifiers to enable quick bedding of the rings. Without friction modifiers there is no way an engine will run for 3/5K miles before the first change then last for another 200K. If you want to duplicate what Acura does fill up with the regular run of the mill Acura brand oil of your choice, Dino or Syn, then go to the auto store & get a little bottle of break-in additive & pour it in.
Z06/Z51 specific even though the use regular oil for break-in. The Z-51 & Z06 use dry sump systems which are a bit different in how the oil is processed in the car & are more sensitive to bits & pieces floating around in the.
"We now encourage all owners to change their oil at 500 miles to remove possible contaminants created during the engine break-in process. And, as always, we encourage the use of Mobil 1 synthetic oil – which is a factory fill for all Z06 models, and Stingray Z51 models – and encourage owners to follow the engine break-in process detailed in the owner’s manual”"
Next time you are at your dealer ask him for a quart of Acura break-in oil to to up your factory fill.
Today most all manufactures use their regular recommended oil with no break in additives. That's why FORDS go 7500 miles & BMW's 10,000 miles on their first fill.
Honda is a little different in the use their regular fill & add a small amount of molly to it like adding STP or any other additive to the oil.
The MID requests the change well after the traditional break-in oil's 1000/1200 miles. With the tiny little filter in yje Acura it would clog very quickly the bypass will open & unfiltered crap would be circulating in the engine for the next 3,000 to 7,000 miles.
The light concentration of molly in the additive does not require purging & can run till the MID says to change it.
You can still buy "break-in" oil from most major suppliers. We use it in hand assembled performance engines. I just purged the Cobras engine at 1057 miles that ran on Royal Purple Break-In Oil.
Typical notations on break in oil
AMSOIL Break-In Oil Break-in period should not exceed 1,000 miles.
RECOMMENDATIONS
The engine builder’s or manufacturer’s break-in recommendations should be followed if available. Break-in period should not exceed 1,000 miles. When the engine is new, the exhaust ports will have a large area of oil residue (Fig. 3). As the rings begin to seat, less oil is passed and the oil residue area begins to shrink (Fig. 4). When the rings are fully seated and have formed a tight seal against the cylinder walls, no oil residue will be evident. Other common methods to determine if rings have seated include performing a leak-down test or horsepower measurements over time. Break-in duration will vary between engines. Afterwards, drain and fill the engine with an AMSOIL high-performance synthetic oil that meets builder or manufacturer specifications.
Others:
As with assembly lubes, there are a variety of different break-in oils that can be used for the initial start up and break-in process. Break-in oils are usually specially formulated straight SAE 30 or SAE 40 oils but some are multi-viscosity oils (5W-30, 15W-40 & 10W-40).
Joe Gibbs Driven BR break-in motor oil up to 400 miles on the street
There is no need to run a special break-in oil if using Mobil 1™. Mobil 1 oil has a robust additive system that helps provide protection during break-in as well as normal operation.
Product FAQ
Is it true that new engines need break-in periods using conventional motor oil?Is it true that new engines need break-in periods using conventional motor oil?
Is it true that new engines need break-in periods using conventional motor oil?
https://www.mobiloil.com/en/faq/prod...s/product-faqs
That is a myth. In the past, engine break-in was necessary to remove metal flashing or any other abrasive material left inside the engine after machining, as well as to allow the valves and rings to "seat" properly. Today's engines are built with much tighter tolerances and much improved machining, and under much cleaner conditions compared to the engines of 10 or 20 years ago. Current engine manufacturing technology does not require a break-in period using petroleum-based motor oils.
You mentioned Zinc. Break-in oil does contain zinc, phosphorus, molly etc. What it does not contain is friction modifiers to enable quick bedding of the rings. Without friction modifiers there is no way an engine will run for 3/5K miles before the first change then last for another 200K. If you want to duplicate what Acura does fill up with the regular run of the mill Acura brand oil of your choice, Dino or Syn, then go to the auto store & get a little bottle of break-in additive & pour it in.
Z06/Z51 specific even though the use regular oil for break-in. The Z-51 & Z06 use dry sump systems which are a bit different in how the oil is processed in the car & are more sensitive to bits & pieces floating around in the.
"We now encourage all owners to change their oil at 500 miles to remove possible contaminants created during the engine break-in process. And, as always, we encourage the use of Mobil 1 synthetic oil – which is a factory fill for all Z06 models, and Stingray Z51 models – and encourage owners to follow the engine break-in process detailed in the owner’s manual”"
Next time you are at your dealer ask him for a quart of Acura break-in oil to to up your factory fill.
Today most all manufactures use their regular recommended oil with no break in additives. That's why FORDS go 7500 miles & BMW's 10,000 miles on their first fill.
Honda is a little different in the use their regular fill & add a small amount of molly to it like adding STP or any other additive to the oil.
The MID requests the change well after the traditional break-in oil's 1000/1200 miles. With the tiny little filter in yje Acura it would clog very quickly the bypass will open & unfiltered crap would be circulating in the engine for the next 3,000 to 7,000 miles.
The light concentration of molly in the additive does not require purging & can run till the MID says to change it.
You can still buy "break-in" oil from most major suppliers. We use it in hand assembled performance engines. I just purged the Cobras engine at 1057 miles that ran on Royal Purple Break-In Oil.
Typical notations on break in oil
AMSOIL Break-In Oil Break-in period should not exceed 1,000 miles.
RECOMMENDATIONS
The engine builder’s or manufacturer’s break-in recommendations should be followed if available. Break-in period should not exceed 1,000 miles. When the engine is new, the exhaust ports will have a large area of oil residue (Fig. 3). As the rings begin to seat, less oil is passed and the oil residue area begins to shrink (Fig. 4). When the rings are fully seated and have formed a tight seal against the cylinder walls, no oil residue will be evident. Other common methods to determine if rings have seated include performing a leak-down test or horsepower measurements over time. Break-in duration will vary between engines. Afterwards, drain and fill the engine with an AMSOIL high-performance synthetic oil that meets builder or manufacturer specifications.
Others:
As with assembly lubes, there are a variety of different break-in oils that can be used for the initial start up and break-in process. Break-in oils are usually specially formulated straight SAE 30 or SAE 40 oils but some are multi-viscosity oils (5W-30, 15W-40 & 10W-40).
Joe Gibbs Driven BR break-in motor oil up to 400 miles on the street
There is no need to run a special break-in oil if using Mobil 1™. Mobil 1 oil has a robust additive system that helps provide protection during break-in as well as normal operation.
Product FAQ
Is it true that new engines need break-in periods using conventional motor oil?Is it true that new engines need break-in periods using conventional motor oil?
Is it true that new engines need break-in periods using conventional motor oil?
https://www.mobiloil.com/en/faq/prod...s/product-faqs
That is a myth. In the past, engine break-in was necessary to remove metal flashing or any other abrasive material left inside the engine after machining, as well as to allow the valves and rings to "seat" properly. Today's engines are built with much tighter tolerances and much improved machining, and under much cleaner conditions compared to the engines of 10 or 20 years ago. Current engine manufacturing technology does not require a break-in period using petroleum-based motor oils.
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