Accord 18 pics released...TLX killer?
#201
Azine Jabroni
It is quite good. Probably a little better than the DCT in my A4. It will definitely be intriguing if Acura goes to a 2.0T in the next gen SH-AWD model mated to that DCT.
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Azine Jabroni
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#205
Appearance is subjective and I have a few problems with it too. That aside, I believe a lot of people are underestimating the new Accord. The '18 torque curve is better distributed and that's where this car will shine. I live in an area with higher speed limits and heavy freeway traffic, and more torque is available for merging and passing. It will give the TLX some serious competition.
#206
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That radiator is going to take a beating on the 10th gen - seems completely exposed on the bottom.
"When you see it in person - it's attractive in it's own way" Ha - right.
He said they had the local law enforcement shut down the stretch of road but you can see a car pass by...
"When you see it in person - it's attractive in it's own way" Ha - right.
He said they had the local law enforcement shut down the stretch of road but you can see a car pass by...
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#207
Racer
Yeah..I didn't understand that either seeing cars going by. And yes, I don't understand being able to see the radiator. Why would any executive at Honda think that looks good. Like the old "beak", on tonal cars, like black or grey, it doesn't look bad. But with contrasting colors like white, it sticks out like a bucked tooth.
#208
I'm new to the Hond/Acura world, and have been puzzled by all the negative reviews seen on an Acura forum. It is bazar really. But let me take a step back and ask - Do you think Honda corp knows that its own lower end product is competing for market share with its higher end product? Other than the Acura brand (which I am sure they know doesn't have the appeal of a brand name like BMW), what is Acura SUPPOSED to deliver that a Honda doesn't? Has Honda lost their way so much that they not only can't differentiate their products from competitions , they cannot differentiate the products of their own?
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#209
Azine Jabroni
I'm new to the Hond/Acura world, and have been puzzled by all the negative reviews seen on an Acura forum. It is bazar really. But let me take a step back and ask - Do you think Honda corp knows that its own lower end product is competing for market share with its higher end product? Other than the Acura brand (which I am sure they know doesn't have the appeal of a brand name like BMW), what is Acura SUPPOSED to deliver that a Honda doesn't? Has Honda lost their way so much that they not only can't differentiate their products from competitions , they cannot differentiate the products of their own?
Acura makes good cars and you should be proud to own one. They are comfortable, mildly fun, and loaded with all sorts of electrical goodies. That being said, Acura now is so much different than the time of the 3G TL that continues to be a renowned car here and elsewhere, let alone in the times when the Integra Type S was amazing the masses.
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#210
A lot of people here joined when they owned Acuras in Acura's heyday. However, even the most fervent of Acura enthusiasts admit that the brand has struggled to make an exciting sedan and has shuffled its feet on making truly exciting and accessible sports car. We discuss it often here, but you don't have to look far in the "Automotive News" section to see that early posts in the Acura threads are very optimistic and they slowly decay from 2003 to now.
Acura makes good cars and you should be proud to own one. They are comfortable, mildly fun, and loaded with all sorts of electrical goodies. That being said, Acura now is so much different than the time of the 3G TL that continues to be a renowned car here and elsewhere, let alone in the times when the Integra Type S was amazing the masses.
Acura makes good cars and you should be proud to own one. They are comfortable, mildly fun, and loaded with all sorts of electrical goodies. That being said, Acura now is so much different than the time of the 3G TL that continues to be a renowned car here and elsewhere, let alone in the times when the Integra Type S was amazing the masses.
#211
I'm new to the Hond/Acura world, and have been puzzled by all the negative reviews seen on an Acura forum. It is bazar really. But let me take a step back and ask - Do you think Honda corp knows that its own lower end product is competing for market share with its higher end product? Other than the Acura brand (which I am sure they know doesn't have the appeal of a brand name like BMW), what is Acura SUPPOSED to deliver that a Honda doesn't? Has Honda lost their way so much that they not only can't differentiate their products from competitions , they cannot differentiate the products of their own?
With the new Civic and new Accord, they are showing, they are back.
#212
Azine Jabroni
If you go to the Problems and Fixes board, you're going to see a lot more than a fair representation of problems on your model. I think the point most of us are trying to make is modern reliability isn't as simple as "buy the one with a Japanese brand". The best you can do is inform yourself before making a decision.
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[ame]https://youtu.be/spIczRuboEc[/ame]
Not a word on the transmission differences that can explain alone the result. An amateur.
Now take in account that this 2.0Toy requires premium and that Accord' V6 is not even direct-injected, runs on regular and then it is obvious that there is no point of that new stupid engine.
Only for gadget lovers who don't challenge the latest fashion.
Now take in account that this 2.0Toy requires premium and that Accord' V6 is not even direct-injected, runs on regular and then it is obvious that there is no point of that new stupid engine.
Only for gadget lovers who don't challenge the latest fashion.
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The turbo 4 beat the N/A V6 everytime including background runs that were not taped. What else is there to talk about. Transmission choice, if the driver had Cheerios for breakfast, whatever is irrelevant.
As delivered out of the box the 2T wins, Game Over for the N/A V6.
As delivered out of the box the 2T wins, Game Over for the N/A V6.
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#215
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The turbo 4 beat the N/A V6 everytime including background runs that were not taped. What else is there to talk about. Transmission choice, if the driver had Cheerios for breakfast, whatever is irrelevant.
As delivered out of the box the 2T wins, Game Over for the N/A V6.
As delivered out of the box the 2T wins, Game Over for the N/A V6.
The 2.0Toy beats the VSad
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#216
That radiator is going to take a beating on the 10th gen - seems completely exposed on the bottom.
"When you see it in person - it's attractive in it's own way" Ha - right.
He said they had the local law enforcement shut down the stretch of road but you can see a car pass by...
"When you see it in person - it's attractive in it's own way" Ha - right.
He said they had the local law enforcement shut down the stretch of road but you can see a car pass by...
#217
Azine Jabroni
I'll give Honda credit, the Accord looks related to the NSX. The TLX is its own thing and Honda would be stupid to make the NSX look like the TLX.
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The FMIC's are a much more rugged type construction than the water radiator. Had/have 3 cars, 335is, 435 & 135IS with a FMIC & none have taken any damage while in service over 7 years. Don't expect the HONDA to be any less rugged.
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#219
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I like this interior better than the TLX. Put this interior in the TLX and it's a homerun. And I will say, 2.0T engines are growing on me.
I cant get over the ugly grill on this car though. Just terrible.
Sorry. Meant to put this is the Accord thread.
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#223
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It cracks me up as my parents had a Vette when I was a kid and that thing (which felt SUPER FAST at the time) had times in the 7's. Guess I'm getting old!
#224
Another home run from Hachigo. At this point I can't imagine anyone misses Ito and his "let's turn Honda into Toyota" strategy.
#225
Burning Brakes
Based on the reviews so far, Acura dealerships should be rightfully worried concerning the 2.4 TLX and maybe even the 3.5 FWD TLX. The only thing missing is AWD and better audio, yet I heard it being upgraded in the Accord.
#226
Burning Brakes
I'm digging the new Accord. The front end being its weakest styling cue, in my opinion, I like the rest of it. Love the interior, especially those great looking front seats. Impressed with the performance potential of the new 2.0 Turbo too. Gives me much hope for the next generation TLX. 3.0 Turbo maybe? Fingers crossed.
#227
Just imagine how great the next gen TLX would be since it'll be based on this Accord rather than the ho-hum 9th gen.
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#229
Unfortunately, Acura just doesn't have the resources. The concept of a premium brand doesn't fit into the core values of Honda, so it's just a business exercise that doesn't get a whole lot of support from home base.
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#230
As expected, the 18 Accord reviews are off the hook. Best Accord since 90-93!
#231
It has basically the same motor and transmission as the CTR, I don't see why anyone would pick a TLX over this. Also once it is "tuned" it will have well over 300hp/tq to the wheels.
#232
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Ha - I recall the 2015 TLX getting glowing reviews (like 99% of any new car review!) - but I just got done watching the AutoGuide review where he complained about the 10 speed trans having several "less than smooth" shifts
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Not a word on the transmission differences that can explain alone the result. An amateur.
Now take in account that this 2.0Toy requires premium and that Accord' V6 is not even direct-injected, runs on regular and then it is obvious that there is no point of that new stupid engine.
Only for gadget lovers who don't challenge the latest fashion.
Now take in account that this 2.0Toy requires premium and that Accord' V6 is not even direct-injected, runs on regular and then it is obvious that there is no point of that new stupid engine.
Only for gadget lovers who don't challenge the latest fashion.
The 2.0T in the Accord does NOT require premium fuel.
For Honda, the whole point of the 2.0T is to deliver better EPA ratings while maintaining or even improving the performance. I think Honda successfully achieved those goals.
There's definitely a trade off in a sense that the 2.0T will never sound like a properly engineered V6 like the J35. There's also going to be a bit of turbo lag, despite how little there is. On the other hand, you get some more useful mid range torque and after marketing power increase potential.
For me, I like both the V6 and the new 2.0T. Both have their pros and cons. No need to hate on the new 2.0T man!
The problem with the TLX is that while it's based on the Accord, the smart luxury theme of Acura affected its potential.
With Jon Ikeda being the VP now, his emphasize is more on performance. So going forward I'm interested to see what the next gen TLX will be like.
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#236
I agree, but I just finished Car & Driver's review of the Accord Sport 2.0T (in the magazine that arrived today), and they mention it still has fairly prominent road noise. When I tested a TLX, I found it extremely quiet, and a quiet ride is a big marker of luxury. I still don't know if that's enough to keep the TLX 2.4 around, but the quiet cabin in combination with the NA V6 it might be enough to keep the FWD V6.
#237
Intermediate
My lease is actually ending soon on my car and i'm thinking about the new Accord, comes with LED lights at all trims from what I've heard (just high beams are optioned out until higher trims), two screens are gone thankfully and the half digital gauge cluster looks great. I want to test drive the 2.0 just to feel the transmission which was truly a downer in all the TLXs i've driven. Hopefully its better than the 9 speed abomination.
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“Way to go Honda—you just made Acura irrelevant.” Senior features editor Lieberman summed up our consensus view: “The new Accord feels like Hondas of old when Honda’s gave you that special something, that little extra, that secret sauce, that X factor. I have no qualms declaring the new Accord the best car in its class—the best in some other classes, too.”
#240
Drifting
The new Accord seems to have raised the bar in the mid-sized, popular priced sedan market. I'll be interested to see them in person. I'm not sure it will make the TLX irrelevant, however. I had my car in for an oil change Saturday, and they gave me a nearly new '17 TLX 2.4 Tech - first time I've driven the 2.4.
I have to say, my wife and I were both very impressed, with the features, the materials, the quietness, and the performance of the engine combined with the sweet DCT. When we took our 9G Accord EX out that evening (which we really like), it was a bit of a letdown after driving the TLX around that afternoon. I'd seriously consider the 2.4 TLX when we purchase a replacement for the 9G Accord. Very nice.
I have to say, my wife and I were both very impressed, with the features, the materials, the quietness, and the performance of the engine combined with the sweet DCT. When we took our 9G Accord EX out that evening (which we really like), it was a bit of a letdown after driving the TLX around that afternoon. I'd seriously consider the 2.4 TLX when we purchase a replacement for the 9G Accord. Very nice.