2016-17 TLX Model. Exactly 0 change?
12-06-2016, 10:02 PM
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2016-17 TLX Model. Exactly 0 change?
Is that true? I can't believe that. Why would anyone buy 2017 over 2016 stock right now (considering the price difference)?
Does anyone know why Acura does this?
Not even tiny differences?
Does anyone know why Acura does this?
Not even tiny differences?
If they sell more of these their costs for materials will go up and they might have to hire more people!
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12-07-2016, 12:08 AM
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Changes are made during the mid model cycle which in the tlxs case, 2018. Acura is not the only one that does this. All car manufacturers basically keep the same thing until mmc
12-07-2016, 09:08 AM
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But I am surprised that there are exactly no changes at all in the TLX.
In that case, little more than KBB is what I can expect to pay for a new 2016?
12-07-2016, 10:36 AM
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12-07-2016, 10:42 AM
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Perhaps 2017 will be a short "placeholder" model year, with the 2018 MMC coming relatively early in 2017. I know other manufacturers have done this, though I can't recall specific examples. I know the Civic Si and TLX probably aren't frequently cross-shopped, but it will still be strange if a Civic below the Type-R has more hp and tq than the base TLX, and the Civic Si should arrive by mid-year.
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12-07-2016, 12:21 PM
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At the rate they are selling the current model, they can stop production today and they'll have cleared out stock in time for an August release - provided they sell a lot of them to rental places at a discount.
12-07-2016, 05:09 PM
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It's probably they know the TLX hasn't set the segment on fire like the 3G TL did and so might as well save the $$ and not do anything...lol...joke aside, I hope they are just saving all that for one major MMC. The TLX needs a huge "band-aid" to be even relevant in the segment.
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12-07-2016, 07:26 PM
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There a new color for 17 isn't there or was that 16...that San Marino Red or whatever? 
I believe Acura also included black for the interior in some exterior color combos that weren't existent before.
I believe Acura also included black for the interior in some exterior color combos that weren't existent before.
12-07-2016, 07:27 PM
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12-07-2016, 07:28 PM
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12-07-2016, 07:42 PM
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It's probably they know the TLX hasn't set the segment on fire like the 3G TL did and so might as well save the $$ and not do anything...lol...joke aside, I hope they are just saving all that for one major MMC. The TLX needs a huge "band-aid" to be even relevant in the segment.
12-08-2016, 12:31 PM
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They changed some of the exterior colors for 2017. They also apparently again made minor tweaks to the body for crash test purposes.
For the 2016 model, they made minor body tweaks to try to get a better IIHS crash test rating. The 2015 TLX had an acceptable rating in the IIHS small front overlap crash test. Honda wanted it to get a good rating, which was necessary to get a Top Safety Pick plus rating in 2016. In an attempt to get a better rating, Honda made minor changes to the car. That backfired, since the 2016 TLX received a worse (marginal) rating. I just checked the IIHS website, and the 2017 TLX has an acceptable rating, so Honda apparently undid the change it made for 2016. With an acceptable rating, the TLX still does not qualify for a Top Safety Pick plus rating, which Acura used to think was important. I remember back in 2015, they did a lot of advertising stating that all their vehicles were rated as Top Safety Pick plus.
For the 2016 model, they made minor body tweaks to try to get a better IIHS crash test rating. The 2015 TLX had an acceptable rating in the IIHS small front overlap crash test. Honda wanted it to get a good rating, which was necessary to get a Top Safety Pick plus rating in 2016. In an attempt to get a better rating, Honda made minor changes to the car. That backfired, since the 2016 TLX received a worse (marginal) rating. I just checked the IIHS website, and the 2017 TLX has an acceptable rating, so Honda apparently undid the change it made for 2016. With an acceptable rating, the TLX still does not qualify for a Top Safety Pick plus rating, which Acura used to think was important. I remember back in 2015, they did a lot of advertising stating that all their vehicles were rated as Top Safety Pick plus.
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12-08-2016, 12:59 PM
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Nor Apple Carplay as far as I know...
Sure. The TLX biggest advantage is its price and arguably value. To get the same features as the TLX on the other cars, most likely you will need to spend thousands more.
However, Acura can't really charge more since the car itself isn't very competitive nowadays. Here are some of the issues:
- No 2.0T engine
- No AWD for 2.4L engine
- No high power or performance trims (340i, S4, C450AMG, Q50 Red Sport, let alone M3, AMG C63, IS-F, ATS-V, etc)
- Styling is too conservative for both interior and exterior
- Adaptive suspension
- 9AT issues
- Missing certain features such as headup display, apple carplay, android auto, panoramic roof, folding mirrors,
- Materials may not be premium enough
- Performance pkg (3G TL used to have lowered suspension, brembo brakes available, even before the Type S was available)
- The Accord has features that the TLX doesn't offer.
For a MMC, we will see the diamond pentagon grille, sportier front bumper and rear bumper, exposed exhaust, bigger and nicer rims. Acura can add features such as Apple carplay, android auto, folding mirrors, etc. I'd think they can add the Sport hybrid system from the RLX and turn it into a 350hp car. It's possible to add a 2,0T engine to the line up with AWD. I think if they can do all of these, then the TLX will become relevant again.
But given that the TLX rides on the current Accord platform, Acura probably can't get the FR proportions. I'm not sure if the 10AT will be ready. Things like adaptive suspension, panoramic roof, performance trims may also be too costly for a MMC. Also, for interior, I don't think the new Precision Cockpit stuff is ready. At most, I think it may go back to the one screen setup, along with nicer materials.
The 3G was a real success, as was the 2G. But at the time, the competition was arguably weaker too. At the time, you can easily see the flaws for each competitor, except may be the 3 series. The TL at the time was just really well rounded and above average in most, if not all areas. Nowadays, the shortcomings of each competitor don't seem to be as serious.
Sure. The TLX biggest advantage is its price and arguably value. To get the same features as the TLX on the other cars, most likely you will need to spend thousands more.
However, Acura can't really charge more since the car itself isn't very competitive nowadays. Here are some of the issues:
- No 2.0T engine
- No AWD for 2.4L engine
- No high power or performance trims (340i, S4, C450AMG, Q50 Red Sport, let alone M3, AMG C63, IS-F, ATS-V, etc)
- Styling is too conservative for both interior and exterior
- Adaptive suspension
- 9AT issues
- Missing certain features such as headup display, apple carplay, android auto, panoramic roof, folding mirrors,
- Materials may not be premium enough
- Performance pkg (3G TL used to have lowered suspension, brembo brakes available, even before the Type S was available)
- The Accord has features that the TLX doesn't offer.
For a MMC, we will see the diamond pentagon grille, sportier front bumper and rear bumper, exposed exhaust, bigger and nicer rims. Acura can add features such as Apple carplay, android auto, folding mirrors, etc. I'd think they can add the Sport hybrid system from the RLX and turn it into a 350hp car. It's possible to add a 2,0T engine to the line up with AWD. I think if they can do all of these, then the TLX will become relevant again.
But given that the TLX rides on the current Accord platform, Acura probably can't get the FR proportions. I'm not sure if the 10AT will be ready. Things like adaptive suspension, panoramic roof, performance trims may also be too costly for a MMC. Also, for interior, I don't think the new Precision Cockpit stuff is ready. At most, I think it may go back to the one screen setup, along with nicer materials.
The 3G was a real success, as was the 2G. But at the time, the competition was arguably weaker too. At the time, you can easily see the flaws for each competitor, except may be the 3 series. The TL at the time was just really well rounded and above average in most, if not all areas. Nowadays, the shortcomings of each competitor don't seem to be as serious.
12-08-2016, 08:53 PM
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Thank you for the fine post. I am considering buying the 2017 or 16. While I agree that TLX can't compete with the likes of Q50 and 340i in high-performance trims, I don't see that as a problem. The equivalent Inifnities and Lexuses (let alone BMWs) are quite a bit more expensive than the TLX. For someone like me who just wants a semi-fast sedan (e.g. 3.5L V6) and a nice ride + features at a reasonable price, TLX is positioned very well. (Am I wrong?)
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12-09-2016, 12:32 AM
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2017 Acura TLX Reviews and Rating | Motor Trend
After the model underwent a major redesign in 2015, changes on the 2017 Acura TLX sedan are limited to three new exterior color options: San Marino Red, Lunar Silver Metallic, and Modern Steel Metallic. An Ebony Black interior is now available with San Marino Red and Fathom Blue Pearl exterior colors.
After the model underwent a major redesign in 2015, changes on the 2017 Acura TLX sedan are limited to three new exterior color options: San Marino Red, Lunar Silver Metallic, and Modern Steel Metallic. An Ebony Black interior is now available with San Marino Red and Fathom Blue Pearl exterior colors.
12-09-2016, 12:36 AM
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Thank you for the fine post. I am considering buying the 2017 or 16. While I agree that TLX can't compete with the likes of Q50 and 340i in high-performance trims, I don't see that as a problem. The equivalent Inifnities and Lexuses (let alone BMWs) are quite a bit more expensive than the TLX. For someone like me who just wants a semi-fast sedan (e.g. 3.5L V6) and a nice ride + features at a reasonable price, TLX is positioned very well. (Am I wrong?)
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12-09-2016, 12:08 PM
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Thank you for the fine post. I am considering buying the 2017 or 16. While I agree that TLX can't compete with the likes of Q50 and 340i in high-performance trims, I don't see that as a problem. The equivalent Inifnities and Lexuses (let alone BMWs) are quite a bit more expensive than the TLX. For someone like me who just wants a semi-fast sedan (e.g. 3.5L V6) and a nice ride + features at a reasonable price, TLX is positioned very well. (Am I wrong?)
I'm assuming you want the SH-AWD too? SH-AWD is one of the most technologically advanced AWD system in the market. Otherwise, if you are just looking for a FWD TLX, I feel that the Accord Touring is a better value over the TLX V6 FWD Advance. Plus, you don't have to worry about the 9AT being an issue (though, I heard from people here that 2016/2017 TLX 9AT is fine?). With that said, if you can get good discount, it would be nice.
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12-09-2016, 02:16 PM
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For the 2016 model, they made minor body tweaks to try to get a better IIHS crash test rating. The 2015 TLX had an acceptable rating in the IIHS small front overlap crash test. Honda wanted it to get a good rating, which was necessary to get a Top Safety Pick plus rating in 2016. In an attempt to get a better rating, Honda made minor changes to the car. That backfired, since the 2016 TLX received a worse (marginal) rating. I just checked the IIHS website, and the 2017 TLX has an acceptable rating, so Honda apparently undid the change it made for 2016. With an acceptable rating, the TLX still does not qualify for a Top Safety Pick plus rating, which Acura used to think was important. I remember back in 2015, they did a lot of advertising stating that all their vehicles were rated as Top Safety Pick plus.
From the IIHS site -
- Beginning with 2016 models, the front door hinge pillar was reinforced with the intent of improving occupant protection in small overlap frontal crashes. The change, however, wasn't enough to improve the TLX's performance in the small overlap test.
- Beginning with 2017 models, the front door hinge pillar was reinforced to limit intrusion of the front wheel to improve occupant protection in small overlap frontal crashes.
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12-10-2016, 10:41 AM
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The SH-AWD is interesting tech. But given my driving style, idk if I would take advantage of it (I don't corner too hard or anything. More like passing slow-pokes on freeway). And don't get much snow or ice where I drive. That would mean I'm lugging around 150lb around with me at all times for no reason.
12-10-2016, 10:51 AM
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^^ but if you get to taste the sweetness of the SH-AWD, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. It is THAT good and fun!!
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12-14-2016, 12:28 PM
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Not to threadjack... But, if you don't want AWD and you're buying new, I don't know how anyone picks a TLX over the EX-L w/ Honda sense + nav or the Touringt. Maybe if the Accord is too big? But you're saving a hefty chunk of change. $5k+ is a lot for a radio and and some extra gears and safety features no one asked for. No new changes for either one of those cars this year. This is great for the used TLX market though.
12-14-2016, 08:44 PM
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It's because of the 9-speed trans and the option to drive it more aggressively with Sport+. Also the sound dampening. That being said, I am now considering the AWD instead. I drove one and I really liked the handling. (You guyz spoil me :P)
12-15-2016, 01:19 PM
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ZF 9HP48 applications: Acura TLX, Chrysler 200, Chrysler Pacifica (2017– gas versions only), Fiat Doblò, Fiat 500X, Honda CR-V (2015-), Honda Pilot, Jeep Cherokee (KL), Jeep Renegade, Ram ProMaster City, Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport... not exactly an advertisement for a thrilling transmission there.
Go for the sh-awd for sure.
12-15-2016, 01:40 PM
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What's the advantage of the ZF 9 speed automatic over the 6 speed auto in the Honda? I'm not being a smartass, I honestly want to know. I don't see it as a performance advantage. And it gets the same mpg as the accord too, but you have to buy premium gas.
ZF 9HP48 applications: Acura TLX, Chrysler 200, Chrysler Pacifica (2017– gas versions only), Fiat Doblò, Fiat 500X, Honda CR-V (2015-), Honda Pilot, Jeep Cherokee (KL), Jeep Renegade, Ram ProMaster City, Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport... not exactly an advertisement for a thrilling transmission there.
Go for the sh-awd for sure.
ZF 9HP48 applications: Acura TLX, Chrysler 200, Chrysler Pacifica (2017– gas versions only), Fiat Doblò, Fiat 500X, Honda CR-V (2015-), Honda Pilot, Jeep Cherokee (KL), Jeep Renegade, Ram ProMaster City, Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport... not exactly an advertisement for a thrilling transmission there.
Go for the sh-awd for sure.
12-15-2016, 02:34 PM
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Not to threadjack... But, if you don't want AWD and you're buying new, I don't know how anyone picks a TLX over the EX-L w/ Honda sense + nav or the Touringt. Maybe if the Accord is too big? But you're saving a hefty chunk of change. $5k+ is a lot for a radio and and some extra gears and safety features no one asked for. No new changes for either one of those cars this year. This is great for the used TLX market though.
Using Honda's own web comparo: http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/c...4268&type=full
Accord has slightly more interior/leg room it seems...
12-15-2016, 04:48 PM
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Welcome to Acurazine. This sort of shxt happens when you join a forum hahahaha! Stay away from the buy/sell place...it gets dangerous!
On paper, having more gears means faster acceleration (close ratio) and better efficiency (top gear at a lower rpm). Unfortunately, in the real world, the ZF9AT is plagued with issues.
On paper, having more gears means faster acceleration (close ratio) and better efficiency (top gear at a lower rpm). Unfortunately, in the real world, the ZF9AT is plagued with issues.
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12-15-2016, 09:05 PM
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12-26-2016, 07:18 AM
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2017 is exactly the same, other than new color combos (San Marino Red, Lunar Silver, and Fathom Blue now available with Ebony), and the only feature difference is they've finally removed the "extended view" driver's mirror with the black line in it on 2017+ TLX & MDX, moving forward, and it will not come back. It's now a solid same piece of glass, as on the passengers mirror.
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12-26-2016, 08:27 AM
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^^ Fantastic! That is great news - I hated that feature in our RDX with a passion.
It is sad to see that the 2018 will likely just be a few cosmetic change - They brought some power train change to the MMC of the MDX didn't they?! Why couldn't they apply some changes to the TLX in its upcoming MMC?
On a good note, I heard they may bring new valve stem caps which is intended to reduce drag and improve the 0-60 performance and their fuel economy and styling cues - Can't wait!! (end of sarcasm)
It is sad to see that the 2018 will likely just be a few cosmetic change - They brought some power train change to the MMC of the MDX didn't they?! Why couldn't they apply some changes to the TLX in its upcoming MMC?
On a good note, I heard they may bring new valve stem caps which is intended to reduce drag and improve the 0-60 performance and their fuel economy and styling cues - Can't wait!! (end of sarcasm)
12-26-2016, 11:28 PM
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The 9sp transmission will kill any improvements when it gets confused. They could use that R&D money on a turbo, may help more
12-27-2016, 11:50 AM
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^^ I hear ya - I was being sarcastic with my tire valve stem caps 
I agree though, they need to DITCH that ZF unit ASAP before it further destroys the brand's ounce of reputation it has left.
I agree though, they need to DITCH that ZF unit ASAP before it further destroys the brand's ounce of reputation it has left.
12-27-2016, 12:45 PM
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Ya, lol. The sad truth is that you maybe gave some Acura engineer an idea for the 2019 model!
The other sad truth is that the propagation of the 9sp on many Acura/Honda models seems to set in store the fact that it is here to stay. Unless they are doing it to liquidate it for something new in near future (knowing Honda, HA!).
The other sad truth is that the propagation of the 9sp on many Acura/Honda models seems to set in store the fact that it is here to stay. Unless they are doing it to liquidate it for something new in near future (knowing Honda, HA!).