vbx

Doubt it.

IS350, Infiniti Q50 all come with bltch sticks / bltch paddles.

Just like the Q50, there are 2 transmissions. One auto and the other is paddle shifters for the "sports model".

Packagingpro

It might be time for a new 5th generation category to be started!

weather

I have made such a request a few weeks ago...it would be nice to have an interactive chat section for sure!!

weather

This may come in handy then...

TeamAcura

I'm not quite sure why some of you are comparing the is250 engine with 2.4L engine when 1., we don't even know the specs of the inline 4 and 2., the is250 has a V6 motor and not 4 banger like some of you are assumming.

weather

Interesting read here about the TLX and the 6 speed manual and a possible turbo and the auto show where the production car will be shown...

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1176336

amill

200ish hp and around 180ft/lb torque. Plus the TLX will be smaller, so I'd be willing to bet curb weight will be similar as well.

Nexx

the is250 2.4 v6 is a joke. the tsx with a 2.4 would run circles around a is250

Acura_Dude

TeamAcura

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the 2.4L will push ~240 bhp. Call me crazy but I know it's possible.

gkon

LMAO on that comment!

Nick

Rocketsfan

I've watched the video. The 2.4L uses an 8-speed with torque converter. The V6 uses a 9-speed.

weather

Team Acura.... I think that might be too high as it gives little room for the turbo to come in and be significant enough, especially if the V6 will be in the low 300.

I am thinking just a tad less at 230hp and 205 for torque.....the Turbo (stick and maybe a A-spec) could come in at 260-270 and the V6 at 310. That is my guess....

MtnMan

What about one with more squared off tips? Wait, there isn't a visible exhaust on this thing is there? Won't it be hidden?

Anyone else wondering about a future Type S model based on the TLX GT's TT V6? Why else would they bring out the race car on stage? Note he also mentioned there would be three TLX "sports car" models. So do we have two of them now, and the high performance option comes later?

If Acura wants to play in the space of true sports sedans, having a 400hp model is strongly suggested.

vietxquangstah

iTrader: (7)

watching the video wasn't my problem. it was reading. i read that post and saw 8 speed and assumed without actually reading it all.

i am aware the 2.4 is the 8 spd DCT while the 3.5 is 9 spd auto.

so yes your right, the 9 spd auto is probably from ZF and not honda. It took them forever to finally implement a 6 speed auto and now they have a 8spd DCT. it amazes me.

Acura_Dude

They were quick to the draw this time on the trannies.

KeithL

Let's hope they show production car in NT Show in April.

Bruce_Wayne

Can I see this with the beak, just the beak, silver? And the DRL leds normal?

Thanks bro!

Rocketsfan

Come on back, Glashub ... turn the lights on and leave the dark side...

KarKraze

While i am in no hurry to switch from my "ugly 4G" that would get attention in an instant.Until such time i am going to sit back and enjoy watching the evolution and progression of the TLX.

ostrich

LOL Weather with a reputation!? NAH!!! :-)

Listen, by the end of the year, you may have a white TLX in your garage while I may have a RED one with 3.5 V6 SH-AWD! YIPPIE!!! But yours will be spotlessly clean even during our Canadian winter while mine will just be covered with perma-dirt LOL

BTW, I really don't find this beak offensive at all. I think that Acura has developed quite a "face" for its brand and whether we like it or hate it, it is here to stay. Fortunately, I have grown to like it....

The only thing that I am not sure about is the rear window treatment/design. That kink at the rear window reminds me too much of Lexus. Otherwise, the rear 3/4 view is breathtaking.......

ostrich

boe_d, you are very welcome. I also think that the video really shows off the lines and the muscular, wide stance created by the wider rear fender very well, too. Some of the photos make it look more bland than I think the real vehicle will look like.

I still think that the rear 3/4 view is the best - that rear design is just such a nice evolution of the 1G TSX! LOVE IT! Remember the rear 3/4 view of the 1G TSX in Milano Red? Yes, I loved that car!!!

I must say that the plenum has really evolved nicely too..... oops! Hey, it is nowhere as big as the gaping mouth of Audi, right!? LOL Joking aside, I do like that Audi design.

compewterbleu

Well put. I liked t when they took the wrapping off, then was more intrigued when I saw it from different angles, got draw in more by the spec/tech talk, and the video just pulled me in completely. Awesome. Looking at some close ups the fit and finish looks great. I worked as a quality control guy before and Acura's lineage of that makes even more appealing.

Rocketsfan

Mid-to-late Summer means July to September probably for a release... that's a damn long wait for me.

Rocket_man

I'd love 'vault like' which is about opposite of my now ancient TSX. It is less fatiguing, makes conversations easier, hands free sound better, and voice inputs more understandable. I think the new Accord is pretty quiet compared to my TSX, so I believe them when they say this car will vault-like.

It is always a good sign when it grows on you. Means it will have lasting power. Someone on here compared it to a Buick. Really a Buick??? How??? That is just 'criticism for effect' not criticism for a purpose.

I'm hoping for 210-215 hp and over 190 lb-ft. So this engine will have VTEC but with an 8 speed transmission when it is ever going to let you get close to the VTEC point? Maybe in sport mode or something? I'm not sure I've ever had my car in VTEC.


Apparently the turbos need a little more development before they are production ready. I doubt the 2.4 has sufficient power to drive the SHAWD like it needs.

We had HOPE. But we were naive and some might even say stupid to have so much HOPE. Especially for something that was so immature and unproven. With no track record of performance. Yes in hindsight we were so stupid, dumb, gullible, and now we are stuck with the results for several more years. How are we even going to make it through the next few years until this can be corrected? Hopefully those that backed HOPE have learned a valuable life lesson that HOPE is just not enough. I know I certainly learned from this. We needed truth, test results, otherwise we were just fooling ourselves and believed the lies we told ourselves. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Never again!

Well if a V6 with 300ish HP and SHAWD is not enough performance then you may need to look for a true sports sedan like the Panamera or the Maserati.


The Lexus small V6 is a 9 (?) year old design making barely 200hp mated to a 6 speed transmission. It is of similar performance to the existing 2.4L. But the IS250 is expected to get a turbo 4 2.0L either for 2015 or 16. Oh, but I should not HOPE on that!

tblood

I'm all in on this car! I, like many of you, was worried Honda would drop the ball with this car. But, initial impressions are fantastic! Beautifully proportioned car with an aggressive stance and subtle curves in all the right places. Too many manufacturers try and make a statement by adding lines, scoops, and bulges all over a car. They forget about its proportions and the styling buzz almost always fades with time. Design will always be subjective, but aside from the lack of prominent exhaust outlets... I think they nailed this one!! Loving it!

Then we have the drive train... I think it was Wards Auto who said "Honda builds cars just to have something to put their engines in". (Correct me if I'm wrong!) I have no concerns regarding either motor. And now they come out with an 8spd DCT and 9spd auto? Plus the lighter, more advanced next gen SH-AWD(favorite part of my TL), PLUS PAWS, plus all the tech we know Acura will stuff into this car?! Dude... All engineered by Honda!


We all know Honda engineers some of the best cars on the road, but they always seemed to come with a caveat. Quirky, mostly bland styling... A generation or two behind on a lot of tech other manufacturers pushed out... at times a pretty anemic driving experience. It is obviously still early in the ball game but I don't see any of those downsides represented in this car. Cross your fingers it's a good looking, comfortable interior!


Push all your chips in ladies and gents, I think a safe bet became even safer! And even if don't like it yet and you're hating on this car... you have to admit it could have been a hell of a lot worse!!!


-TC

Rocket_man

To make it worse, unless you are an early adopter and paying full MSRP it is not going to be this calendar year. If I buy this car it will be in its first model year and Acura has had a few glitches lately on that. Nothing compared to the Q50, or MKZ, but things that would annoy me. I'd expect those minor things to be worked out in the first year but I honestly can't wait that long.

Rocket_man

I agree with your points here. Just a minor nit, the 9sp is a ZF unit and I believe built by ZF (vice licensed by Honda like the Crystler ZF).

Now as far as Honda engineering.. this is the same engineering that stuck me with a defective auto transmission years ago. So the Honda engineered and built 8DCT leaves a little fear in the back of my head that this transmission may not be bullet proof. It will take a long time before this unit proves itself.

ostrich

I also want to say that I am very happy that we have a V6 engine option here with the TLX at this price point (OK we don't have the pricing but I expect that the 3.5 V6 will be probably around the same price point as the current TL Elite/Advance). With BMW and Audi, at this price point, you will be stuck with a 4 cylinder engine with turbo these days. While the BMW 4 cylinder engine is nice and very lively, it is still not as refined as a V6. Then the Audi 4 cylinder with turbo.... let's just say that it is nowhere as nice as the BMW 4 cylinder engine, and I still prefer my TL's 3.7 litre V6 over any of these 4 cylinder things here.

tblood

I guess I am a little late to the party. I just read through this thread and saw the ZF mention. Thanks for pointing it out!


I see your point with the recent quality concerns. I had a not-so-pleasant run in with the torque converter in my '09. I have always held their engineers in such high regard that it's hard to consider their products as anything else.

I have always had assumption that Honda lagged behind a generation or two abd allowed other manufacturers to take the hit on quality issues with new tech while they took the time to over engineer it. It was always that way with their ATV's. They may not have been cutting edge but they were bulletproof.


Let's hope that it isn't a bad omen they are keeping up with the rest if the pack this generation.


-TC

George Knighton

Part of the provenance of sites like this is the availability of information months and years from now.

Internet Brands created a chat room at Honda-Tech, but it ended up not being all that popular and it didn't last long. I don't even see a setting for it or a way to get into it any longer.

The moderators lose control of "chat" rather quickly, too, and it can become a very unfriendly place when something is that unregulated.

Hell, I get shocked sometimes just visiting Facebook, for goodness sake. I've been frequently embarrassed at being associated with it.

George Knighton

I found where they said the TLX was about as long as the 4G TL, but is it wider?

Something that's given me occasional pause (not P-AWS) is the width of my RLX. There are times I am very glad that the mirrors fold in. :-)

JT4

I don't think you're crazy I was actually thinking the same HP rating for the 2.4.. And I wouldn't be surprised if the 3.5 is rated at 320-330 HP..

Now it's my turn... Call me crazy...

Glashub

I want to make it clear that when I wrote that I like the TLX more and more every time I go look at pictures of it -- I am coming from a place where I really, really liked it at 1st view.

I think this car is going to look stunning on the road. It has so many positives. Most people will have a hard time trying to mouth the words "Acura" and "beautiful" in the same sentence but it'll get easier.

As they used to say in the 3G commercials -- "It looks fast."

Acura_Dude

SilverJ

I'm not sure why the 4 cylinder Turbo has to be delayed. I have an 07 RDX with a 4 cylinder turbo and it works great, not sure why they couldnt just build off of that technology. Its not much slower than my TL-S. Definitely one of the faster SUV's.
Furthermore, I have no issue with the "beak". On the 4G TL it's a "beak", on the 5G it just looks good.

ALFAQ

Sharp looking car, I hope they don't stray too far from the prototype. I do want to see a nice quad exhaust sticking out back though.

madrussian190

Forget the turbo 4. I vote for twin-turbo V6 in the Type S model!! 400+ HP!!

BEAR-AvHistory

Its not a bad looking car, nicer than the 4G to my eye. As for all the rest of the wish stuff, why would they out power the RLX or put in more content when no other manufacturer does it that way? For more power & more content you move further up the product line.

maharajamd

iTrader: (1)

The RLX isn't really targeted to be sporty such as the TLX.

And forget that logic, how about just boosting the RLX numbers up a bit? Put the RLX @ 425/450 and a single turbo v6 TLX @ 375/400.

Like...

Turbo 4 @ 275
NA v6 @ 325
Turbo v6 @ 375