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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Rust,Rust and more Rust on Wheels

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Can anyone suggest something to cover or clean the rust that seems to be appearing on my rotors especially on the back wheels....its such an eye sore...

Had the car for almost a year now...didn't drive it in the snow...just 8K KM so far.

The rust started to appear within months of buying the car.

Told the car dealership and they told me that others have complained too...they have reported this to Honda and are waiting for a solution...I doubt that!

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BTW...this is my first foreign car...Always had an GM...I still bought a 2010 GMC Acadia a few months ago...got two small kids...not driving with them in the Acura
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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I believe there is a TSB out to fix that. Basically the dealer should be able to clean the rust off the rotors, and paint them with a high heat engine paint (or something like that). The 2009's had that problem, they fixed it in the 2010's. Check the Problems & Fixes thread for more talk about it.
https://acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=297

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 02:26 PM
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The common fix to this mentioned by numerous members is to actually paint the hubs. It's a lot of work (relatively), but it eliminates the problem (unless the stealer is willing to do this for you).
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 02:33 PM
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The Acura dealership where I purchased the car from won't do it...but are taking complains in and reporting them to Honda Canada...BTW might be a dumbass question...but what's an "TSB"???
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 02:43 PM
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TSB = Technical Service Bulletin.

It's not like a recall - but nomally something that just needs a fix.

Here's a better description:

Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) are issued by vehicle manufacturers to help automotive technicians diagnose and repair problems reported by consumers and repair shops. It's amazing how many fixes are found in these bulletins that can't be found anywhere else. Thousands of bulletins are issued by car manufacturers every year.
TSBs contain up-to-date factory fixes for difficult to diagnose problems such as rough idles, intermittent stalls, hard starts, and all kinds of "shakes", "rattles" and "clunks" that can sometimes drive you nuts. TSBs describe service procedures that may improve performance, reduce future breakdowns, or show a factory authorized modification for your vehicle.

This is the thread you want.

https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-tl-problems-fixes-297/rusty-rotors-734065/

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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 02:55 PM
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Thanks...I will keep bugging my dealer or try another dealership to see if they will paint, sand or whatever it is to fix it...
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 05:44 PM
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i had my "fixed" by acura after making a scene at the dealership. they finally agreed to do it out of their own pocket after a lot of frustration and yelling. even so, my fronts are still fine but my rears are just as bad as they were. the used a high heat paint, 5 coats on the front and 4 on the back. well i guess my only option now is to get aftermarket ceramic pads and rotors and some nice calipers that dont look like a chunk of steel behind the wheel
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 05:49 PM
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I cant believe people complain about a thin surface coating of rust on the rotors. Its not like it hurts it.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 06:19 PM
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Not sure if you've seen it in person, with the new 18's they have for the 4G it's very obvious, and very ugly. Different wheels would probably hide that problem.
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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I cant believe people complain about a thin surface coating of rust on the rotors. Its not like it hurts it.
No but it looks like crap on our $40,000 cars. Nice avatar btw
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I cant believe people complain about a thin surface coating of rust on the rotors. Its not like it hurts it.
With the 18's I have you can pretty much see all of the rotors behide the wheel and when I decide to get the 20's...than you can see all the rotors probably...you think Acura would have installed better quality rotors for a car that cost 40K plus here in Canada...

To this day...I get nothing but postive feedback about this car...the only negative I do get is about the back wheels..."oh why you got rust on these already?"
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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I'm at a loss for words.....

What are you talking about?

I have a 3G TL. Every time I wash the car, the rotors get a thin coat of rust on them.

That rust comes off the first time I put the brakes on and stop the car. Then they are shiny again.

Is there something different about the 4G rotors? Doesn't the rust come off as soon as you drive it?
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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I will post pics once allowed on this site...not the shiny part of the rotors...I know the rust comes off when you brake and stuff after it rains or you wash your car...taking about the steel part of the wheel base...sorry my car parts lingo isn't great...
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Xpditor
What are you talking about?

I have a 3G TL. Every time I wash the car, the rotors get a thin coat of rust on them.

That rust comes off the first time I put the brakes on and stop the car. Then they are shiny again.

Is there something different about the 4G rotors? Doesn't the rust come off as soon as you drive it?
When you see an 09' you'll know what we are talking about. It's not the rotors but more the hubs and oxidation of the calipers. When I was looking at a 2010 TL at the dealer I asked what was the difference between the 09 and 10 TL and that was the first thing he showed me. If you see it in person it is really quite an eyesore.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MyT6MT
When you see an 09' you'll know what we are talking about. It's not the rotors but more the hubs and oxidation of the calipers. When I was looking at a 2010 TL at the dealer I asked what was the difference between the 09 and 10 TL and that was the first thing he showed me. If you see it in person it is really quite an eyesore.
Yea, I first saw it on Blackura's ride. It really detracts from the look. It's basically at the base of the rotor where the pad doesn't come into contact. But you're right Xpditor, normally that rust on the direct rotor would come off.

At least they figured it out for the 2010 versions.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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I was just at the dealer for my bad front drive shaft and asked about the rust. The dealer acknowledged it was a problem and said he would check to see if there was a new TSB out yet on it. What have they done differently on the 2010's to keep the rust away?
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:20 PM
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Probably new material or coating is my guess.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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AS much as I like perfectionin my car, with as solid and trouble free as the 09 AWD has been (at least for me) compared to all 5 of my 3G TLs if this is the biggest complaint I can find for me then I am truly happy with this car!
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 08:04 AM
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my 09 TL had the same issue, I just asked about it during a maintenance appt. they painted them and looked allot better
my 2010 TL it looks like they are pre painted and so far holding up well
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 08:20 PM
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You have an '09 and '10???? Damn!
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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Same problem even in '10 TL/Tech
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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Just got my '10 today and I did not see any rust - will keep an eye on it
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 07:09 AM
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Dropped mine off this morning and the dealer said there was no TSB. Looks like I'm on my own.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 10:06 PM
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You have an '09 and '10???? Damn!
yes, last year was a good year for the dealer and a bad year for me, couldnt make up my mind, had 3 09 tsx, then TL then mdx.. missed the TL so I am back now!
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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thus the name...
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 01:42 AM
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Is this how others have it looking? My front rotors just got replaced under warranty a few weeks ago, and you can clearly tell all the new rotors must be a different material as you see no signs of rust at all, yet my back ones, are a whole different story.

Also - my calipars are starting to look rusty, is that the same for others?

Check out my pics;

Pics 1/2 are my front left and right that were replaced and pics 3/4 were just machined. I think I am going to email Acura and the dealership to complain to have the rear 2 replaced as well as it looks very ugly.

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/img00068201004031400.jpg/
http://img405.imageshack.us/i/img00068201004031400.jpg/
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/img00070201004031401.jpg/
http://img32.imageshack.us/i/img00069201004031401.jpg/

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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 07:53 AM
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Mine rears were worst then yours (pics 3/4). My car sat on the lot for a while as it was their display car, on a concrete slabe just outside the showroom. So my rust was REALLY bad and half moon shaped as that's where the water sat whenever it rained.

They painted it with high heat epoxy and it has held up. It's been 6 months now and lasted through the nasty Northeas winter.
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 08:56 AM
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That's going to have to be my new project. Acura has no TSB on it and my dealer won't do anything.
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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That number 4 is really looking especially bad. If it's still under warranty, I'd ask them to take care of it.

It's a common enough problem, especially it seems on earlier cars (09s) that Acura should fix it under warranty. It seems most who have had this problem seem able to get their dealer to resolve it.

Good luck.
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I emailed my dealership and will let you know what they say on Monday.

Again for some reason getting things done in Canada looks to be harder then the US.
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Let's hope it's easier, because they won't touch mine in NJ
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 01:54 PM
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i just called my dealership in texas and they couldnt find a TSB about this issue nor were they willing to fix it. sux cuz its looks horrid
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**update**

called the other dealership in my city and they said they are aware of the problem, all i have to do is bring it in and they'll fix it
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ SHAWD
Let's hope it's easier, because they won't touch mine in NJ
Note that even though I bought mine in Northern NJ, it was addressed by Acura of Boston since I was in the area. My local dealer said they have to call Acura and get approval first. While waiting for their "approval" I was in Boston and they took care of it as a courtesy.
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Wow, I need to give my dealer a harder time.
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it took a lot of harsh words and yelling before they did anything for me. i was very respectful and professional at first but they wouldnt budge...after some "words" they painted them for me
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Originally Posted by NJ SHAWD
Wow, I need to give my dealer a harder time.
Be that squeaky wheel!
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:14 PM
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UPDATE: So I took my case to Honda Canada, they got pictures (the same ones above) and told them its unacceptable and how the 2010 materials look to be different then 2009.

First I got a "there is no way the dealership would put 2010 rotors on your 2009, they aren't authorized" I took that as BS

Then I got "its a cosmetic issue, and not causing any issues"

I told them it just looks so bad on a $50,000 car.

Then finally - my dealership got approved by Honda Canada to replace my rear rotors too now.

So lesson learned - keep fighting, take it up the food chain, and I think Honda/Acura has got many complaints about this as it did get passed to their technical department from what I was told.
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Originally Posted by wmahmud
UPDATE: So I took my case to Honda Canada, they got pictures (the same ones above) and told them its unacceptable and how the 2010 materials look to be different then 2009.

First I got a "there is no way the dealership would put 2010 rotors on your 2009, they aren't authorized" I took that as BS

Then I got "its a cosmetic issue, and not causing any issues"

I told them it just looks so bad on a $50,000 car.

Then finally - my dealership got approved by Honda Canada to replace my rear rotors too now.

So lesson learned - keep fighting, take it up the food chain, and I think Honda/Acura has got many complaints about this as it did get passed to their technical department from what I was told.
Thats Awesome. I have been trying to get my dealer in Halifax to do it. I have also sent emails to the myacura site to no avail. What was the final straw. In other Words, what do should I tell someone (acura corporate, dealer to make this happen.
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Old Apr 30, 2010 | 03:26 PM
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Excellent News

I received a phone call from the service manager at my dealer. He said that he has recieved authorization to replace all 4 rotors. This is after I followed wmahmud's approach and called Acura Customer Relations at 1-888-922-8729. They called my dealer and had me come in to take pictures. Initially, acura's regional guy said to paint them, but now they are going to replace them. I'm going away but will post when its complete.
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