Anyone install a Laser Jammer on a 2012 yet? Without the can-opener grille, it doesn't look possible. Near the fog lights is too low.

 

Jammers are a very bad idea. If the troopers can't get a reading off of your car on their laser gun then you are 200% getting pulled over.

 

i don't believe it jams it infinity forever. just long enough to allow you to mash the brakes. and if its not illegal to own in your state, AND you don't have contraband in your car, then there is not much LEO's can do about it (honest ones anyway)

 

^ agreed.

 

Pull me over and do what? Tell me his gun didn't work?

 

^

 

They will pull you over and strip search both you and your car right there on the side of the highway for everyone to see, take pictures & videos and post on youtube and facebook. Hows that for jamming your ego?
And of course when they find your laser jammer you won't even be able to sue them for violating your privacy

 

You really think the troopers are that stupid? Oh I forgot .... they don't know about laser jammers. Never mind ...

 

Personally, I've always found that common sense trumps any anti-radar or anti-laser device.

In my part of the world, most people know that if the speed limit is 45, they'll spot you 55 and they're not going out of the way to pull out after you unless you're doing 60.

Let's face it, though: Except for the 0.5% of drivers who've been to high performance driving schools, people have no idea of high speed vehicle dynamics. Most people asking about how to get away with speeding have no idea what they are doing and have no idea of the vehicle's real capabilities in an emergency, and how the vehicle would behave.

In my humble opinion, of course.

 

Not sure where you live, but in Florida, laser jammers are perfectly legal.

 

Texas they are not, but I am getting one. You can turn it off as soon as you slow down quickly so that it doesn't continue jamming. But it's there to protect you and the police won't do anything about it if they can't get a lock on your speed. Reason why you turn it off once you slow down enough so he can get a lock.

The new Blinder HP-405 compact design will fit our grill. It also has a parking mode that you can switch it too which then the cops won't know.

 

strip search you? sorry but you will need a warrant for that.. regardless its a violation of privacy.. laser jammer or not, the law is the law. i could tell them that it wasnt on or just put it away once the lights come on..

 

They won't strip search you, but even if you aren't arrested, federal law says that they can pat you down and check for weapons under "terry pat and frisk." See Terry v. Ohio.

Searching the car... Depends on where and for what reason you get arrested. In Michigan if the driver of a car commits an arrestable offense, the car may get impounded (regardless of whose it is). If the car is impounded the law is that it can be thoroughly searched. This comes with a new law after some guys at an impound a couple years ago started smelling something funky after a few days and found a body in the trunk.

It's up to the arresting officer if he wants to impound your car or not. If it's for something stupid (bench warrant or something), they're likely to let you call someone to come pick the car up... but if the arrest is for something serious and they're pretty sure that there's something in the car that shouldn't be there (drugs, illegal guns, etc.) then you bet they're going to impound it and search the crap out of it.

Strip search on the side of the road won't happen... that's just stupid. You'll get searched if you go to jail because they're likely to not let you stay in your own clothes (they bag up everything when you get there), but on the side of the road it'll be pat-down and cuffs.

MI regards laser jammers like window tint (front window tint is illegal here)... it's a "fix it ticket." You have to get it uninstalled by a shop, have them write a statement saying that they uninstalled it, and then provide that in person when you go to get the ticket cleared. If you don't do that within 10 days a warrant is issued for your arrest.

All states are different.

 

Russel, do you speed that often!?

 

Not often, but it's nice to have that extra protection just in case.

 

Laser jammers are legal in most jurisdictions, and like a rader detector, need to be used properly. That means reacting immediately when the warning goes off to bring your car under speed. The "trooper" will take a second reading, and hopefully, by that point, you're under the limit, and have the jammer turned off.

If they still can't take a reading, they can pull you over on the basis of this wonderful fiction, which pretty much every traffic court buys into, that the LEO has the ability to "eyeball" speed within a couple of mph. Not having a gun reading hurts their case, but certainly doesn't kill it.

They cannot search your vehicle, or conduct an extensive (ie. "strip") search of your person without probable cause.

 

whoa! your completely putting this into a way different aspect.

keep in mind we are talking about jammers. Nothing to do with drugs, guns, or towing of any kind.


if a cop cant read your speed due to jammer and pulls you over, you are in all rights to tell them "no you cannot search my car."

If you didnt do anything illegal, then they shouldnt do anything to you. Your car is your property, you and only you can give them permission.

Ive been in this situation before.. i had a jammer when i was on my way to vegas from Socal. Cop with a gun on the right had side pointed at me and couldn't read my speed. He got on his motorcycle and pulled me over. I took my jammer off my windshield as soon as i passed him right before he got on to his motorcycle. He went up to my car to look inside and saw nothing. He asked me if i had a radar or jammer. I told him that it was none of his business. He asked me if he could search my car, and i told him no. He kept me waiting for like 30 mins and finally let me go on my way.

 

Jammers are mounted to the front of the car in the grill area usually so there is not a way to remove these.

 

I remember Surfer_rick talking about jammers on his p-car.
he's since then upgraded to an F-car, dont know if he transferred his jammers over.

but this concept is really neat to me.
let me know when you get it installed, so I can come check it out!!

 

Will do.

 

again, this is besides the point, the cop is not going to bend over and look inside your grill.. im talking about the module inside the car..

and even so, he cannot identify what it is used for.. so irrelevant.

 

I know, I wasn't going off about searching for the jammer specifically... but it's annoying when people think there's nothing that they can't look at "without a warrant." Reality of it is, it's just not the case. I was just giving examples of how it is in our state - ie you get nicked for something your crap MAY get searched without a warrant depending on state law. Doesn't have to be drugs or guns... you can get arrested on any bench warrant (failure to pay a parking ticket, for example) which could lead to your car getting impounded and searched. If they were to find a jammer (and it was illegal), that'd just be another offense they'd tack on.

Another thing to think about is if the jammer is in plain view. If you install it so you can see it from outside the car, it's considered "plain view" and they don't need a warrant to bust you on that. (If you can see it in the front grill for example).

Again - not specific to the original poster's question (he said he's in FL and they're legal there), just putting the information out there in case anyone is wondering and happens to find this thread in the future, or is reading it now and is considering doing something like this in a state where it may be illegal.

 

I don't think it is besides the point. Do you think cops that are specifically purposed to highway patrol aren't trained on what to look for when they suspect a jamming device is being used? If you do, you're wrong.

Also, they can pull you over for pretty much anything they want to. In our state, for example, it's illegal to have ANYTHING obstructing any part of the license plate. That includes those stupid trim rings that dealers put on. LEGALLY they could pull you over for that on suspicion of something else, happen to find that "something else," and if they can articulate it in a report there's not jack you can do.

Cops aren't dumb.

 

I work for DC Police and have had lazer jammer on my Miata since new. Most cops are not even aware these things are available and most people will never pay the price to get one installed. So the cops do NOT look for them. I paid 1500 to get my escort jammer professional installed. There aint many people gonna pay that price, when you can just slow down. Mine is so well installed you would never know its there. I have to point the sensors in the grille out to folks. Even then they have no idea what those "things" are for. My jammer have Knowingly saved me twice since installed.

 

The Laser Jammers are absolutely illegal in Texas and you absolutely will get stopped - and ticketed - for having them. Offhand depending on how much you drive and in what area you're located, I'll give you 90~120 days within which time you stand an almost 100% chance of getting caught with them.

On the Acura TL (4th addition) they mount on the front at the same height as the center of the license plate and exactly mid-way between the license plate and the headlights on each side. You must also offset (shim) the outside edge of both left and right mounts so that they face exactly forward (straight-ahead) in the same plane as the lic. plate rather than conforming to the angle of the bumper. Properly installed, they are very noticeable and therefore easily seen. Improperly installed they are completely worthless.

If caught with them (in Ft. Bend County Tx at least) the cops have been known to give you the option of smashing them vs getting a ticket and having your car towed to an impound lot. (they are considered illegal equipment & the cop can force you to remove (or destroy) them on the spot) and not let you continue your travel until removed or destroyed. The first time you're caught with them in Tx it will be a very expensive lesson.

 

Well I am on the radar forums and many in Texas have them and don't have issues with them. Even retired police officers. If you do a JTG then you are asking for it. That is why you turn it off to let them pick up your speed after a few seconds.

 

Fort Bend county cops are just a bunch of Barney Fife's

 

Decided against this on my car and resold the kit. :/ I didn't feel comfortable having it on my car.

 

lol good for you.. just follow the law you will be fine.

here in cali.. they are illegal..

but if you get pulled over because they cant read your speed.. they they pretty much cant do jack shit about it.. unless they see it on the dash or the windshield.. but im sure by the time they get to pull me over id probably have that shit in the glove box.

 

I had thought about this when I bought my 4G with that nice beak to conceal whatever....

Living in Kentucky and working in Ohio, I do most highway driving in Ohio. They passed a state statute last year making law officers indisputable. With or without any evidence, you can be pulled over for any number of moving violations, and you cannot contest it.

So jam, detect, do what you will; in Ohio (and expect other states to follow), if the cop says you're at fault, you're paying for it.

 

Isn't this a gross violation of human rights ?

Everyone is innocent until proved guilty !

 

I have always considered having some devices like this for my car; however, 13 years passed, and I still haven't got any.

 

i had one in my Audi S4. It worked great and I would highly recommend it. Alot of cops would look at their guns after i passed because they thought it was broken

 

SaVE YOUR MONEY.

If a LEO wants to give you a ticket. You are going to get one.

Jammers, detectors, etc will may keep you from getting a "15 over the limit" ticket. But keep in mind these LEO's can estimate your speed and/or also give you a careless driving citation. If you go to trail who do you think the judge is going to believe?

 

I suspect not. I think what was suggested was that the cop can write a ticket, and rely upon their own evidence (ie. no laser reading, but the cop can say he could "see" that you were speeding). One would still get a trial, but the evidentiary burden is against the accused. Is it wrong? Sure. Is is a gross violation of the basic principles of our justice system? Certainly. But it's allowed nonetheless.

A couple of years ago, I contested a speeding ticket, and demanded the disclosure of the lidar gun specs (manuals, testing procedures, algorithms, etc.) The police (and the lidar manufacturers) don't want you to have this. The judge threw out the laser readings, since the police (Crown, actually) wouldn't produce the info I asked for, but accepted the cop's evidence that he could "eyeball" my speed. I was acquitted on other grounds, but it still stinks that the courts give such blind deference to the cops.

 

I live in Va,... Law here is "No Radar or Etc" The Cops here have Radar Detector Detectors,... Yes, you read correctly,.. But I still have my Radar Detector,... a Cobra XRS 9945... Had one issue, cop pulled me for turning on red & took my radar cuz i had it & hooked me up with a ticket for that,... [thats how I found out it was illegal] long story short,... Cobra hooked me up cuz cops took my old one, so Cobra replaced with a new one, & the judge dismissed my turn on red cuz it was a legal turn [no sign was in area saying I couldn't turn on red] & ordered the cop to pay me back for the one he took cuz of 2 reasons, 1, I'm Military & not a resident of the Va States,... 2, if he hadn't pulled me over, he would've never have seen my detector,....

All in All,... every state is different,... so to each his own,... just remember that Va don't love drivers outside it's own,...

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Don't know why it doubled the same youtube vid,... I tried to fix it, but no avail,... LOL, Hope ya enjoyed,....!

 

i run a blinder M27 alongside a V1 and love it. You can easily turn it off once you get down to the proper speed. i can create a DIY for installation once i purchase my 4g TL.

 

any pics of the install on the 2012-13. I have a k-40 system that is sitting in a box in my basement waiting for a car.

 

Don't know where you got your info but laser jammers are ILLEGAL in Florida. That's one of the first things they tell you when you take the laser radar class.