Everything is speculation right now. Even though the SH AWD is a great package overall I miss the aggressive styling and awesome value of the 3g Type S. Nothing quite like it really, I'm going to miss the car greatly. Here's hoping Acura will indeed bring us a 4g Type S, and at reasonable price. 
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Considering how well the TL-S sold in it's 2 short years of the 3G, I am sure we'll see a 4G version eventually.
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Considering how well the TL-S sold in it's 2 short years of the 3G, I am sure we'll see a 4G version eventually.
Agreed....I'd say as a 2011/12 model.
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Ditto!Originally Posted by Ramrodthrusterpuppy
Agreed....I'd say as a 2011/12 model.
But wondering if it will be a SH-AWD only model which to me meeans pushing upwards of $44K+
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No kidding, I'd say 1/2 the 07/08 TL's are TL-S.Originally Posted by BradE
Considering how well the TL-S sold in it's 2 short years of the 3G, I am sure we'll see a 4G version eventually.
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But wondering if it will be a SH-AWD only model which to me meeans pushing upwards of $44K+
That's my worry too. It might work better for them just to replace the SH-AWD model with the Type S along with the usual upgrades that accompanies the performance package.Originally Posted by KeithL
Ditto!But wondering if it will be a SH-AWD only model which to me meeans pushing upwards of $44K+
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yea I heard it will be SH-AWD only for the new 4G Type-S model....since 09 3.7L 305 hp 275hp SH-AWD TL's mileage is 17/24....the type-s might have same or below mileage...
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I heard that the mileage has gone up from 17/24.
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Maybe not.
The TL may have a short future ahead:
The TL may have a short future ahead:
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Posted on Monday 11 August 2008
Update: Acura’s plans for its future lineup are ambitious and bold - two necessary qualities for a Japanese company seeking to enter the luxury car market and beat the Germans at their own game. To do so the carmaker has its sights set on a radical revamp of its current lineup as well as the addition of several all-new models. The final objective is to distance itself from Honda once and for all.
While the TSX, RL, and TL have been redesigned for 2009, Honda’s vice president for corporate planning in North America, Dan Bonawitz, admits that none of these cars are up to ‘tier’ 1 standards. However, in a recent interview with Automotive News, Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives.
The RL’s poor sales performance has led to speculation that it will be replaced before 2012, speculation which has been fueled by Bonawitz, who revealed that Acura has a “sedan coming that will clearly put [them] in tier 1″ before 2012.
The RL’s possible replacement may become the Acura that can intimidate the Germans, with a possible 400hp (298kW) 4.5L V8 engine and a RWD layout rumored to be among its list of specs. There’s also the chance that this new sedan will be sold alongside the RL as no final decision on the future of either model has been confirmed. Pictured above is the Acura Advanced Sedan Concept from 2006’s Los Angeles Auto Show, a striking design study for a flagship sedan.
Also rumored to be in the works is a new four-seater coupe as a possible replacement for the CL.
One model that is confirmed is the replacement for the NSX supercar. Seen testing recently at the Nurburgring, the new flagship model is expected to sport a 550hp (410kW) V10 engine with 420lb-ft (570Nm) of torque.
Finally, the RDX will come in for a redesign for the 2011 model year and could spawn a hybrid variant. This will be followed that same year by the next-generation MDX, which could be offered with a new V6 turbodiesel engine. A third SUV model could be added to Acura’s lineup as revealed by a new prototype caught testing recently in California’s Death Valley.
Originally Posted by TSX69
New Sedan to take Acura to Tier 1 Status Posted on Monday 11 August 2008
Update: Acura’s plans for its future lineup are ambitious and bold - two necessary qualities for a Japanese company seeking to enter the luxury car market and beat the Germans at their own game. To do so the carmaker has its sights set on a radical revamp of its current lineup as well as the addition of several all-new models. The final objective is to distance itself from Honda once and for all.
While the TSX, RL, and TL have been redesigned for 2009, Honda’s vice president for corporate planning in North America, Dan Bonawitz, admits that none of these cars are up to ‘tier’ 1 standards. However, in a recent interview with Automotive News, Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives.
The RL’s poor sales performance has led to speculation that it will be replaced before 2012, speculation which has been fueled by Bonawitz, who revealed that Acura has a “sedan coming that will clearly put [them] in tier 1″ before 2012.
The RL’s possible replacement may become the Acura that can intimidate the Germans, with a possible 400hp (298kW) 4.5L V8 engine and a RWD layout rumored to be among its list of specs. There’s also the chance that this new sedan will be sold alongside the RL as no final decision on the future of either model has been confirmed. Pictured above is the Acura Advanced Sedan Concept from 2006’s Los Angeles Auto Show, a striking design study for a flagship sedan.
Also rumored to be in the works is a new four-seater coupe as a possible replacement for the CL.
One model that is confirmed is the replacement for the NSX supercar. Seen testing recently at the Nurburgring, the new flagship model is expected to sport a 550hp (410kW) V10 engine with 420lb-ft (570Nm) of torque.
Finally, the RDX will come in for a redesign for the 2011 model year and could spawn a hybrid variant. This will be followed that same year by the next-generation MDX, which could be offered with a new V6 turbodiesel engine. A third SUV model could be added to Acura’s lineup as revealed by a new prototype caught testing recently in California’s Death Valley.
So the RL will replace the TL? I don't think so.
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Where the hell did you get that from?? That entire article basically said that the RL will more than likely be replaced because of it's poor sales.Originally Posted by TL_rcr
So the RL will replace the TL? I don't think so.
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Sorry for continuing the "thread hi-jacking" but in regards to the newer vehicle that Acura is pursuing....
I think the "new car" will displace the RL, not the TL. After all, the TL is getting larger (i.e. 2009 will be about the same size as the outgoing RL). The RL has never really "sold well" so elimination of it wouldn't surprise many of us. The "target" that Acura HAS to shoot for is something along the size of the S-Class Merc, 7-series BMW, A8=series Audi's as well as the Lexus LS and (to a lesser extent) the Maserati Quatroporte (becasue of price, not size). THAT is what they HAVE to have to contend and simply building a bigger RL would NOT make any sense. I mean really now, Is there ANYBODY who compares the RL to ANY of those cars? Nope!
I think the "new car" will displace the RL, not the TL. After all, the TL is getting larger (i.e. 2009 will be about the same size as the outgoing RL). The RL has never really "sold well" so elimination of it wouldn't surprise many of us. The "target" that Acura HAS to shoot for is something along the size of the S-Class Merc, 7-series BMW, A8=series Audi's as well as the Lexus LS and (to a lesser extent) the Maserati Quatroporte (becasue of price, not size). THAT is what they HAVE to have to contend and simply building a bigger RL would NOT make any sense. I mean really now, Is there ANYBODY who compares the RL to ANY of those cars? Nope!
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Maybe not.The TL may have a short future ahead:
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No sh*t sherlock!Originally Posted by CF21TL-S
Where the hell did you get that from?? That entire article basically said that the RL will more than likely be replaced because of it's poor sales.
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^ well, that's what MMsTSX suggests, I don't think the article implies that.
May be this is the confusing part?
"Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives"
May be this is the confusing part?
"Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives"
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I suggest all of the current Acuras may have a short life.
Like this lines suggests:
And that starting in 2010, they'll have a car worthy of being called teir 1.
A car about the same level as the TL, just a much better car.
So if they're making a car, about the same level as the TL, and it being much
better than the TL, and them calling the current '09 TL junk basically...
Not hard for anyone to guess that the current TL has little plans outside of SH-AWD.
So will they keep their "sub tier 1" TL and make a TL-S with it?
Or will they concentrate on their "tier 1" replacement instead?
hmmm....
I would guess they'll ditch the 4G TL all together if their tier 1 car does well.
Like this lines suggests:
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While the TSX, RL, and TL have been redesigned for 2009, Honda’s vice president
for corporate planning in North America, Dan Bonawitz, admits that none of these
cars are up to ‘tier’ 1 standards. However, in a recent interview with Automotive
News, Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new
vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives.
So Honda admits all their new cars are junk.While the TSX, RL, and TL have been redesigned for 2009, Honda’s vice president
for corporate planning in North America, Dan Bonawitz, admits that none of these
cars are up to ‘tier’ 1 standards. However, in a recent interview with Automotive
News, Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new
vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives.
And that starting in 2010, they'll have a car worthy of being called teir 1.
A car about the same level as the TL, just a much better car.
So if they're making a car, about the same level as the TL, and it being much
better than the TL, and them calling the current '09 TL junk basically...
Not hard for anyone to guess that the current TL has little plans outside of SH-AWD.
So will they keep their "sub tier 1" TL and make a TL-S with it?
Or will they concentrate on their "tier 1" replacement instead?
hmmm....
I would guess they'll ditch the 4G TL all together if their tier 1 car does well.
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It's gonna be interesting to see what they will do.
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New Sedan to take Acura to Tier 1 Status
Posted on Monday 11 August 2008
Update: Acura’s plans for its future lineup are ambitious and bold - two necessary qualities for a Japanese company seeking to enter the luxury car market and beat the Germans at their own game. To do so the carmaker has its sights set on a radical revamp of its current lineup as well as the addition of several all-new models. The final objective is to distance itself from Honda once and for all.
While the TSX, RL, and TL have been redesigned for 2009, Honda’s vice president for corporate planning in North America, Dan Bonawitz, admits that none of these cars are up to ‘tier’ 1 standards. However, in a recent interview with Automotive News, Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives.
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None of these cars are up to 'tier' 1 standards because they are all FWD cars and the SH-AWD options are based on FWD chassis.Originally Posted by TSX69
New Sedan to take Acura to Tier 1 Status
Posted on Monday 11 August 2008
Update: Acura’s plans for its future lineup are ambitious and bold - two necessary qualities for a Japanese company seeking to enter the luxury car market and beat the Germans at their own game. To do so the carmaker has its sights set on a radical revamp of its current lineup as well as the addition of several all-new models. The final objective is to distance itself from Honda once and for all.
While the TSX, RL, and TL have been redesigned for 2009, Honda’s vice president for corporate planning in North America, Dan Bonawitz, admits that none of these cars are up to ‘tier’ 1 standards. However, in a recent interview with Automotive News, Bonawitz boasted that the situation will change in 2010 when an “all-new vehicle about the same level as the TL” arrives.
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If there is a 4G TL Type-S, it will be 2.5 years away during the MMC update. No earlier. Just like the 2G's and the 3G's.
Honda/Acura custom has been to release the Type-S a couple of years into the product cycle when sales of the initial vehicle have slowed such that they want something to distinguish the vehicle to generate new sales. There's no reason to believe they'll change that now. The Canadian press have reported that a 6MT version of the 4G TL is due in 2010 (although they didn't know whether the FWD or SH-AWD car would get the 6MT), so I would expect that any Type-S would not come until 2011.
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better than the TL, and them calling the current '09 TL junk basically...
More likely, it will be something closer to the Lexus lineup. Where they have both the ES and the IS in relatively the same level. My guess is TL would become the ES equivalent (i.e. big, FWD, based on parent companies top sedan) and the new car would become the IS equivalent (i.e. RWD, etc...)Originally Posted by MMsTSX
So if they're making a car, about the same level as the TL, and it being muchbetter than the TL, and them calling the current '09 TL junk basically...
It doesn't really imply that a new car will come out and replace the TL.
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It doesn't really imply that a new car will come out and replace the TL.
How about the new Acura car a V6 RWD sedan, with V8 as optional engine, to rival with the Lexus GS ? Acura has a small car already - the TSX. It doesn't make sense to have two entry-level (relatively) cheap cars in the luxury division, especially now that Acura wants to become "tier-1" so badly.Originally Posted by PG2G
More likely, it will be something closer to the Lexus lineup. Where they have both the ES and the IS in relatively the same level. My guess is TL would become the ES equivalent (i.e. big, FWD, based on parent companies top sedan) and the new car would become the IS equivalent (i.e. RWD, etc...)It doesn't really imply that a new car will come out and replace the TL.
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Anyone who thinks that Acura would replace the TL is an idiot. It's the best selling car in their lineup, and pretty much Acura's "Flagship", forget the RL. If anything, it's Acura's most important vehicle, which makes the most money for the company. Now maybe this new car would replace the TL in terms of the class that it competes in, and move the TL up-market, but I'm not sure that's a good idea considering the TL has a loyal following at a certain price point.
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i say they should just beef up the tsx and come out with a type s...or even better a coupe...they should step it up witn the tsx and have it compete with the IS, BMW (3 series), C class Mercedes, G35, Audi A4
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I was told (2 years ago) that the TSX would have three engines. The diesel is confirmed for 2010 so there is one more waiting in the wings. My guess is a J32 but I have nothing but a gut feeling based on a few conversations to back this up.Originally Posted by datnkay
i say they should just beef up the tsx and come out with a type s...or even better a coupe...they should step it up witn the tsx and have it compete with the IS, BMW (3 series), C class Mercedes, G35, Audi A4
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there won't be a type-s anytime soon. There are new cars coming, the rumored expensive crossover and the S2000 replacement. I just don't see a V6 in the TSX, but you never know.
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Why not use the turbo 4cyl from the RDX? Give it 10 to 15 more horses and call that the TSX Type-S.Originally Posted by Stash
there won't be a type-s anytime soon. There are new cars coming, the rumored expensive crossover and the S2000 replacement. I just don't see a V6 in the TSX, but you never know.
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I think there will definitely be a new TL-S coming in 2 or 3 years. It will breathe new life into the model after the novelty of the redesign wears off....
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i think acura would have been better off keeping the same 3G body and added the 4G features to it. even if the body is outdated, it still will sell better than the current 4G body.
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I surely hope there will be a type-s coming down the pipeline ... this way we can replace the current type-s in a few years ... with more HP & features of course ...
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Oh crap...we have to live with this body style until 2011/2012????Originally Posted by Ramrodthrusterpuppy
Agreed....I'd say as a 2011/12 model.
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Oh crap...we have to live with this body style until 2011/2012????
Hell I bet we live with this body style the entire 5 years of its life, look at the 3G, the MMc was mild at best, sure those mild changes were awesome and really brought the best out of the 3G, but 99% of the car is the same all 5 years. Hell they didn't even refresh the audio system for the Type-S. The 3G Type-S should have gotten a power boost. And please was Acura the last maker to have a cassette in the car through 2008!!