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Old 09-15-2008, 12:58 PM
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Official Pricing is Available

UA8629JW TL $34,955.00

UA8659KW TL Tech $38,685.00

UA9629JW TL SH-AWD $38,505.00

UA9659KW TL SH-AWD Tech $42,235.00

UA9659KXW TL SH-AWD Tech HPT $43,235.00

D&H charges are $760 for all 50 states.
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Mid 40's for an AT AWD Car....they are never going to sell one of those...if they do someone slap the guy with an "I AM STUPID" sticker on the forehead.

mid 40s! wow...
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Guys, maybe I missed it, but what is the Tech model and the Tech HPT model?
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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
Guys, maybe I missed it, but what is the Tech model and the Tech HPT model?
Tech is with all the goodies like nav, XM weather, etc.
HPT is high performance tires, the ones with the 19 inch rims.
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Originally Posted by Crucifer
Mid 40's for an AT AWD Car....they are never going to sell one of those...if they do someone slap the guy with an "I AM STUPID" sticker on the forehead.

mid 40s! wow...
Funny, cuz the E350 4matic and GS 350 AWD cost more, and sell like hotcakes...
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Originally Posted by shubysingh
Funny, cuz the E350 4matic and GS 350 AWD cost more, and sell like hotcakes...
Do either of those come in MT? Because MT isn't an option with the new TL. And whats the HP push on those 2 listed?
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Originally Posted by Crucifer
Do either of those come in MT? Because MT isn't an option with the new TL. And whats the HP push on those 2 listed?
GS350 - 303 hp
E350 - 268 hp
And no manuals, I believe...

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IIRC, MT is coming later....I think next year? I believe I read that somewhere.

Anywho, price is rather high IMO. $42k = ouch.
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Possible?

Hi,
will it be possible to buy SH-AWD without Tech but with HPT? If yes whta will be the price?
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Originally Posted by SGPL
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will it be possible to buy SH-AWD without Tech but with HPT? If yes whta will be the price?
I'm sure you can buy the wheel and tires as a standalone accessory through the parts department.
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Originally Posted by Crucifer
Mid 40's for an AT AWD Car....they are never going to sell one of those...if they do someone slap the guy with an "I AM STUPID" sticker on the forehead.

mid 40s! wow...
42,235 is hardley mid 40's, mid 40's would be say 44-46k....i would say that price is right in line for the market they are targeting, and it aint the 20 year old student either....the tl target market age is 30-50 with an average income of 100k a year
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My 07 TL is my 2nd TL in a row and the 4th in my family. We all purchased them for the same reason... an outstanding value! Dollar for dollar no car imho can match the TL's, I guess that stops with the 3G. I can honestly that once the time comes for a new car I'll be saying to Acura. But for now I got some modding to do !!!
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Originally Posted by vinnier6
42,235 is hardley mid 40's, mid 40's would be say 44-46k....i would say that price is right in line for the market they are targeting, and it aint the 20 year old student either....the tl target market age is 30-50 with an average income of 100k a year
Since????
I'm 26 and I've owned a TL since I was 19. I always thought that market was for the RL's, maybe I'm wrong!
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Originally Posted by BlueAc
Since????
I'm 26 and I've owned a TL since I was 19. I always thought that market was for the RL's, maybe I'm wrong!
I think Acura is changing the target audience and competitive peers for their entire lineup.

The RL used to be targeted toward 40+ crowds. Since the present RL is DOA, my guess is Acura is trying to move the new TL into that segment of the market. So the new TL's competitive set would longer be the BMW3s but more like the BMW5s instead.

This will buy some time for Acura to ready a bona fide larger next generation RL.

By the way, I think the new TSX is suppose to be targeted for the 20-30 crowds.
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In comparison, the AWD TL is a much better deal than the expensive AWD RL. Only that the TL styling sucks.
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Thanks for the info Colin!
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Good info Colin. I think the pricing (SH-AWD w/ tech) is in line with its competitors (G35x w/ all the same equipment). If Acura mates the AWD w/ a 6MT, it will be interesting.
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Originally Posted by shubysingh
Funny, cuz the E350 4matic and GS 350 AWD cost more, and sell like hotcakes...
werd. Also, you can not buy the G w/ a MT and AWD, or any C class w/ AWD and MT either at that price.
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Originally Posted by Colin
UA8629JW TL $34,955.00

UA8659KW TL Tech $38,685.00

UA9629JW TL SH-AWD $38,505.00

UA9659KW TL SH-AWD Tech $42,235.00

UA9659KXW TL SH-AWD Tech HPT $43,235.00

D&H charges are $760 for all 50 states.
DAMN! No Way!
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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
Guys, maybe I missed it, but what is the Tech model and the Tech HPT model?
From vtec.net:

The Technology Package includes the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, AcuraLink® real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather radar mapping, an Acura/ELS Surround® premium audio system, Keyless Access System with pushbutton ignition and interior upgrades. The included Navigation System also features a new 8-inch full VGA high-resolution color display for improved visibility and a back-up camera.

Further enhancing the TL's Technology Package is the new Acura/ELS Surround® 10-speaker, 440-watt premium sound system with DVD-Audio, CD, DTS™, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio and 12.7 GB hard disk drive (HDD) media storage. An intuitive interface dial as well as advanced voice recognition capability simplifies control of this impressive technology. Premium Milano Leather seating surfaces included in the Technology Package further enhance the vehicle's comfort and visual appeal.

In addition, the TL SH-AWD® with Technology Package is also available with an exclusive 19-inch alloy wheels and high-performance summer tire package for an MSRP of $43,235.
Old 09-15-2008, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin
UA8629JW TL $34,955.00

UA8659KW TL Tech $38,685.00

UA9629JW TL SH-AWD $38,505.00

UA9659KW TL SH-AWD Tech $42,235.00

UA9659KXW TL SH-AWD Tech HPT $43,235.00

D&H charges are $760 for all 50 states.
I like the new car, but wow, what a price increase! Especially when you consider street prices - the 2008 TL w/Nav can be had with the current $3500 incentive for $7K under list, and the new 2009 w/Tech is MSRP $2505 more than the 2008. You know the 2009s will sell for MSRP for a while, so that's a $9,500+ difference in street price for one model year!

Hardly seems worth it for keyless start, nav weather, and a hard drive!
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Originally Posted by Colin
UA8629JW TL $34,955.00

UA8659KW TL Tech $38,685.00

UA9629JW TL SH-AWD $38,505.00

UA9659KW TL SH-AWD Tech $42,235.00

UA9659KXW TL SH-AWD Tech HPT $43,235.00

D&H charges are $760 for all 50 states.
When you add tax, title, license, and all other fees, you are looking at $48k for the TL SH-AWD Tech HPT!!! Wow that is quite a bit. I dunno, I guess I actually have to see and drive a TL SH-AWD Tech HPT before saying thats too much money though. I can say if I'm going spend close to 50K on a car thats when you start considering BMW...Mercedes...Corvette?
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HEY Don't forget Audi have you seen the S5 in person...one of the SEXIEST cars on the planet....


SO SO SO NICE wish i had the $$$$ for one cause i'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Thank you for the info, Colin.
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Looks like there's a full press release from Acura:

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/793/releases/4777

TORRANCE, Calif. - 09/15/2008

Acura today announced pricing for the all-new 2009 TL performance luxury sedan that will go on sale at Acura dealerships nationwide on September 24th, with all-wheel-drive models planned for sale in November.

For the first time ever in an Acura vehicle, the newly redesigned TL will be available with a choice of two different VTEC® engines while also offering both front wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive (TL SH-AWD®) models. MSRP pricing for the 3.5-liter V-6 equipped TL is $34,955 and the TL with Technology Package is $38,685. For TL models equipped with Acura's Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ system, MSRP pricing for the 3.7-liter V-6 powered TL SH-AWD® is $38,505, while the TL SH-AWD® with Technology Package is $42,235. In addition, the TL SH-AWD® with Technology Package is also available with an exclusive 19-inch alloy wheels and high-performance summer tire package for an MSRP of $43,235. Destination and Handling of $760 remains unchanged and is not included in the MSRP.

"The completely re-designed TL's performance, sophistication and styling have been dramatically elevated to satisfy both luxury sedan buyers and enthusiast drivers," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of sales. "Its introduction marks a new and exciting era for the TL and for Acura."

The 2009 TL SH-AWD® is the most powerful Acura ever and all TL models feature an impressive combination of eye-catching exterior design and premium interior detail. An emotional and powerful exterior conveys a sense of motion via the use of strong character lines, pronounced wheel arches and jewel-like HID and LED lighting. Inside, the TL is packed with premium standard features such as a power moonroof, dual-zone adaptive climate control, 10-way adjustable (8-way power seat with 2-way power lumbar support) driver seat, 8-way adjustable power front passenger seat and steering-wheel-mounted F1®-style paddle shifters for the Sequential SportShift automatic transmission. In addition, an 8-speaker 276-watt audio system with 6-disc CD changer, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio, Bluetooth® Audio, USB port and AUX jack connectivity and HandsFreeLink® wireless telephone interface are standard.

Available on both the TL and TL SH-AWD® is a Technology Package that includes the most comprehensive array of advanced electronic features ever offered by Acura. The Technology Package includes the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™, AcuraLink® real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather radar mapping, an Acura/ELS Surround® premium audio system, Keyless Access System with pushbutton ignition and interior upgrades. The included Navigation System also features a new 8-inch full VGA high-resolution color display for improved visibility and a back-up camera.

Further enhancing the TL's Technology Package is the new Acura/ELS Surround® 10-speaker, 440-watt premium sound system with DVD-Audio, CD, DTS™, AM/FM radio, XM® Satellite Radio and 12.7 GB hard disk drive (HDD) media storage. An intuitive interface dial as well as advanced voice recognition capability simplifies control of this impressive technology. Premium Milano Leather seating surfaces included in the Technology Package further enhance the vehicle's comfort and visual appeal.

Acura offers a full line of technologically advanced performance luxury vehicles through a network of 270 dealers within the United States. The 2009 Acura lineup features five distinctive models including the RL luxury performance sedan, the TL performance luxury sedan, the TSX sports sedan, the turbocharged RDX crossover SUV and the award-winning MDX luxury sport utility vehicle.
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Originally Posted by laurelmd
I like the new car, but wow, what a price increase! Especially when you consider street prices - the 2008 TL w/Nav can be had with the current $3500 incentive for $7K under list, and the new 2009 w/Tech is MSRP $2505 more than the 2008. You know the 2009s will sell for MSRP for a while, so that's a $9,500+ difference in street price for one model year!

Hardly seems worth it for keyless start, nav weather, and a hard drive!

Wow, that is significant increase in price from 1 model year to another. Agreed, it doesn't seem worth it for the extra features. I would think the folks within this demographic would purchase Lexus or Infiniti.
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I respectfully disagree with you...

Originally Posted by Crucifer
Mid 40's for an AT AWD Car....they are never going to sell one of those...if they do someone slap the guy with an "I AM STUPID" sticker on the forehead.

mid 40s! wow...
Now, I must say that I respectfully disagree with you - I think that this pricing strategy is very appropriate and in keeping with the rivals, making the TL very competitive indeed!

If I am to get a TL, which is a possibility, then I will be interested in the TL-SHAWD with tech, which is just above $42K. For the level of luxury and power, I think it's a great value! It is similar to the G sedan AWD model, and certainly much lower than the M35X that is comparably equipped and the A4 3.2 and 335xi that are loaded (they are both close to $50K).

I can't wait to see this in person! :-)
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The pricing is in line with the competition. You can get your Lexus IS 250AWD loaded with no rear passenger room for $40K MSRP

They will sell a lot of TL's. I am sure the $42k loaded model will get some discounts.

Acura wants to sell 70,000 annually which is a pretty nice clip in this economy. Expect some deals for all TL models for them to meet the ~ 6,000/month plan.
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GS350 - 303 hp
E350 - 268 hp
And no manuals, I believe...
But they offer 6spd and 7spd automatic transmissions, repsectively.
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Originally Posted by aceman4
Wow, that is significant increase in price from 1 model year to another. Agreed, it doesn't seem worth it for the extra features. I would think the folks within this demographic would purchase Lexus or Infiniti.
But note, that with the new generation TL is much improved in all aspects. For instance, the leather used on the seats is much better than that found in the 3G TL, the car offers a larger motor than the base 3G TL, as well.

Also commodity prices have increased and the car is larger and requires more material, so naturally a price increase is a expected.
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Originally Posted by carlos9827
When you add tax, title, license, and all other fees, you are looking at $48k for the TL SH-AWD Tech HPT!!! Wow that is quite a bit. I dunno, I guess I actually have to see and drive a TL SH-AWD Tech HPT before saying thats too much money though. I can say if I'm going spend close to 50K on a car thats when you start considering BMW...Mercedes...Corvette?
I think you need to pay all those extra fees if you were to buy any new car right? I guess my point is when you go buy a $50k MSRP Mercedes or BMW or whatever, you will be paying more like $60k after all the fees.

It's true that the price increase "seems" huge if you compared to a discounted 08 TL. Again, that would be true for a lot of other cars too.
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Originally Posted by Colin
UA8629JW TL $34,955.00

UA8659KW TL Tech $38,685.00

UA9629JW TL SH-AWD $38,505.00

UA9659KW TL SH-AWD Tech $42,235.00

UA9659KXW TL SH-AWD Tech HPT $43,235.00

D&H charges are $760 for all 50 states.

Huge bump in price - too much. I do not think many will shell out 38k for a plain non-Tech. However, the jump to 'Tech' is an hefty 4k. Acura is really slashing its demographics here - I hope their arithmetic is correct. The sluggish economy will not help.

These prices are in the 335i territory. Personally, a 335i would be siting in my driveway for 45k before I will even consider $43k for the TL.

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But a 45k 335i is equipped like a 35k TL...and a $43k TL is equipped like a $50k+ 335i.

And afterall, the 3 series is still the best in class, so it's not surprising that many people would rather get a lower end 3 series than a loaded TL.
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I am not sure that it will be like this anymore...

Originally Posted by iforyou
But a 45k 335i is equipped like a 35k TL...and a $43k TL is equipped like a $50k+ 335i.

And afterall, the 3 series is still the best in class, so it's not surprising that many people would rather get a lower end 3 series than a loaded TL.
Actually, one reason why many people, especially those who really cannot and should not afford to own a BMW, chose to have a BMW simply because of its amazing lease programs. That's why the 3 series is just everywhere. However, with BMW bleeding money through the lease programs and making a huge financial loss this quarter, I understand that they are now pushing for actual, real sales rather than leases. So that means that we are less likely going to see those amazingly low monthly lease payments soon, and so those who cannot/should afford to have a 3 series will not be able to have one just by leasing it cheaply for 2 or 3 years now.

Also, for me, I will never consider a more expensive base 335i instead of a fully loaded less expensive TL. To say that the price of a new TL is in the 335i territory is a bit misleading. The 3 series is a great car, and it has class leading performance for sure, but then performance is only one of the many criteria that I consider when buying a car. Like many car owners, I also look for reliability, long term maintenance costs, interior design, comfort, technology gadgets and interior space, and I believe that most likely the new TL will beat the 335i hands down for all of these other important criteria.

Despite what some people say here, I predict that the new TL will sell like hot cakes.
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Originally Posted by pokin
Huge bump in price - too much. I do not think many will shell out 38k for a plain non-Tech. However, the jump to 'Tech' is an hefty 4k. Acura is really slashing its demographics here - I hope their arithmetic is correct. The sluggish economy will not help.

These prices are in the 335i territory. Personally, a 335i would be siting in my driveway for 45k before I will even consider $43k for the TL.
Interestingly, from what I heard in the news yesterday, the luxury car segment ($40K plus) has not suffered half as badly as the less expensive segment, because those who could afford luxury items continue to be able to spend. It's those with less income that really could not afford to spend now.

I suspect that this will really affect those who could "own" a 3 series by paying a low monthly lease payment before, as BMW is going to offer less attractive leases now, whereas those who can really afford to buy a $40+K vehicle will just continue to pick and choose whatever that suits their needs. As I said in the other post, I personally find that a fully loaded 09 TL suits my needs much better than a pretty basic 335i.
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I personally think the price increase is warranted given:

1. The added improvement in everything that's quantifiable, i.e, better engine, more tech goodies, etc etc.

2. Comparatively speaking, feature for feature, the 4G still has a very high bang-for-your-buck value when compared to the competition. I hope everyone has actually priced out a BMW 328i even (lowest end) to see just how pricey it is. Do this with many of the other competitors (Lexus, Infiniti, etc) -- the results are very telling. Yes, there are some features on competitor cars that the 4G TL doesn't have, but I don't think any of them are actual DEALbreakers that cause a significant damper on the driving experience.

3. Let's not forget that the MSRP of the 3G TL-S is around $38,225K. Judging from above, the price of the TL SH-AWD with tech package is only 4K more expensive. You're telling me that the addition of AWD, the milano leather, the upgraded stereo, the added other features, the increased engine power is not worth 4K?

4. And finally, no one is going to pay MSRP once this car has been out for a year. The MSRP will be more like the OTD price in short order.

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I think you need to pay all those extra fees if you were to buy any new car right? I guess my point is when you go buy a $50k MSRP Mercedes or BMW or whatever, you will be paying more like $60k after all the fees.

It's true that the price increase "seems" huge if you compared to a discounted 08 TL. Again, that would be true for a lot of other cars too.
My post was in reply to vinnier6's post in which he states that 42,235 is hardly mid 40's. That's when I added that if you add tax, title, license, and all other fees, you are looking at $48k for the TL SH-AWD Tech HPT!!! So instead of mid 40's its actually closer to 50K. And when I said that's the time when you would consider Mercedes or BMW....No, I wasn't referring to a $50k Mercedes or BMW which might ended up costing $55k-$57k after all fees, I was referring to the BMW 335i and Mercedes C350 for example which are both priced around $42k-$43k AND are huge competitors of the Acura TL.
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Originally Posted by pokin
Huge bump in price - too much. I do not think many will shell out 38k for a plain non-tech. However, the jump to 'tech' is an hefty 4k. Acura is really slashing its demographics here - i hope their arithmetic is correct. The sluggish economy will not help.

these prices are in the 335i territory. Personally, a 335i would be siting in my driveway for 45k before i will even consider $43k for the tl.
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Originally Posted by pokin
These prices are in the 335i territory. Personally, a 335i would be siting in my driveway for 45k before I will even consider $43k for the TL.
Yes, the BMW badge still carries a lot more prestige than the lowly Acura one, and will continue to do so until the Acura "Tier-1" talks really come true.


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