2021 MDX Itch? You'll Have to Wait to Scratch It
07-31-2020, 06:40 PM
#83
The great thing about putting this engine into the MDX (unlike in the TLX) is that it doesn't have to be faster or better than the competition, or even competitive. Nobody expects these crossovers to have any sporting pretensions, so the big power is less of a concern over things like practicality, usability, capability, etc.
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08-10-2020, 10:10 AM
#84
What about towing? Current and last gen can tow up to 5k lbs. RDX is only rated to tow about 1k lbs.
08-11-2020, 09:45 AM
#86
The GV80 is looking pretty good, and the reviews are finally out. The 4G MDX is going to have its work cut out for it, that's for sure. Hopefully Acura is feeling the heat and steps it up a notch.
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08-11-2020, 01:21 PM
#87
The GV80 is looking pretty good, and the reviews are finally out. The 4G MDX is going to have its work cut out for it, that's for sure. Hopefully Acura is feeling the heat and steps it up a notch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq5LdaHuVaI
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08-11-2020, 01:31 PM
#88
I am very excited to start seeing GV80s out on the road. I really like what Genesis is doing these days, and I appreciate that you get so much even on the lower trim levels. I know we don't know for sure what each trim level has, but I like that every one gets the digital instrument display and huge navigation screen. Really irritating to get in a "luxury" BMW 5 series with a dinky 6" infotainment screen because navigation with the large screen was an option on a $50k car. I get that very few people ever use factory navigation so that's not a priority for most buyers, but geez they really like to make it obvious that you cheaped out. Mercedes does the same think by leaving blank buttons on the door where the seat ventilation control should have been.
have a base model MDX, but apart from the wheels there's nothing in the car that shouts at me that I could have spent more on my car: there aren't blank buttons I can't press, there is still a large screen on the dash even though I don't have navigation, I still have fancy blue accent lighting, memory position seats, etc.
Sorry for the digression, I just appreciate brands like Acura and Genesis that prioritize value in their lowest models, then they offer the luxuries for those who desire it. Whether you consider these brands premium vs luxury is a different debate, but I'd argue that Genesis is really pushing itself into the luxury segment while delivering more luxury standard than the established luxury brands.
Bringing this back to the 4th gen MDX:
Currently I believe the Mazda CX-9 is the best looking SUV on the road. The new MDX appears to borrow a handful of it's design cues. Mix that with the sharpness of Acura's sporty design language and I think they've got the recipe for a sexy SUV. I'm not in the market for a new car anytime soon but I'd choose the new MDX because the sharp looks appeal to me compared to the gaudy looks of the GV80
have a base model MDX, but apart from the wheels there's nothing in the car that shouts at me that I could have spent more on my car: there aren't blank buttons I can't press, there is still a large screen on the dash even though I don't have navigation, I still have fancy blue accent lighting, memory position seats, etc.
Sorry for the digression, I just appreciate brands like Acura and Genesis that prioritize value in their lowest models, then they offer the luxuries for those who desire it. Whether you consider these brands premium vs luxury is a different debate, but I'd argue that Genesis is really pushing itself into the luxury segment while delivering more luxury standard than the established luxury brands.
Bringing this back to the 4th gen MDX:
Currently I believe the Mazda CX-9 is the best looking SUV on the road. The new MDX appears to borrow a handful of it's design cues. Mix that with the sharpness of Acura's sporty design language and I think they've got the recipe for a sexy SUV. I'm not in the market for a new car anytime soon but I'd choose the new MDX because the sharp looks appeal to me compared to the gaudy looks of the GV80
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08-11-2020, 01:36 PM
#89
I suspect the MDX SH-AWD is going to outperform the GV80 in the driving department, but geeze the attention to detail on the GV80 far exceeds what I would have expected. I was expecting a dressed up Palisade on the inside. Buttons for the rear passengers to adjust the front seats, vanity mirrors for the back, power reclining 3rd row, a PA system, the ability to turn off the rear speakers in case people are sleeping back there (what!), power tilt/teloscopic steering wheel, the leather stitched dashboard looks very very nice, and all the switchgear has that fancy stainless steel look to it. Everything looks Mercedes-esque.
The RX350L is boned if the 5th gen isn't a quantum leap forward.
The RX350L is boned if the 5th gen isn't a quantum leap forward.
08-11-2020, 02:19 PM
#90
I am very excited to start seeing GV80s out on the road. I really like what Genesis is doing these days, and I appreciate that you get so much even on the lower trim levels. I know we don't know for sure what each trim level has, but I like that every one gets the digital instrument display and huge navigation screen. Really irritating to get in a "luxury" BMW 5 series with a dinky 6" infotainment screen because navigation with the large screen was an option on a $50k car. I get that very few people ever use factory navigation so that's not a priority for most buyers, but geez they really like to make it obvious that you cheaped out. Mercedes does the same think by leaving blank buttons on the door where the seat ventilation control should have been.
have a base model MDX, but apart from the wheels there's nothing in the car that shouts at me that I could have spent more on my car: there aren't blank buttons I can't press, there is still a large screen on the dash even though I don't have navigation, I still have fancy blue accent lighting, memory position seats, etc.
Sorry for the digression, I just appreciate brands like Acura and Genesis that prioritize value in their lowest models, then they offer the luxuries for those who desire it. Whether you consider these brands premium vs luxury is a different debate, but I'd argue that Genesis is really pushing itself into the luxury segment while delivering more luxury standard than the established luxury brands.
Bringing this back to the 4th gen MDX:
Currently I believe the Mazda CX-9 is the best looking SUV on the road. The new MDX appears to borrow a handful of it's design cues. Mix that with the sharpness of Acura's sporty design language and I think they've got the recipe for a sexy SUV. I'm not in the market for a new car anytime soon but I'd choose the new MDX because the sharp looks appeal to me compared to the gaudy looks of the GV80
have a base model MDX, but apart from the wheels there's nothing in the car that shouts at me that I could have spent more on my car: there aren't blank buttons I can't press, there is still a large screen on the dash even though I don't have navigation, I still have fancy blue accent lighting, memory position seats, etc.
Sorry for the digression, I just appreciate brands like Acura and Genesis that prioritize value in their lowest models, then they offer the luxuries for those who desire it. Whether you consider these brands premium vs luxury is a different debate, but I'd argue that Genesis is really pushing itself into the luxury segment while delivering more luxury standard than the established luxury brands.
Bringing this back to the 4th gen MDX:
Currently I believe the Mazda CX-9 is the best looking SUV on the road. The new MDX appears to borrow a handful of it's design cues. Mix that with the sharpness of Acura's sporty design language and I think they've got the recipe for a sexy SUV. I'm not in the market for a new car anytime soon but I'd choose the new MDX because the sharp looks appeal to me compared to the gaudy looks of the GV80
I think you're mixing up a car somewhere and the option package. The GV80 gets the full digital screen on the top trim $72K model only, but the 14.5 inch screen is standard.
The GV80 has some half digital cluster on the remaining models.
08-11-2020, 03:12 PM
#91
Oops! My apologies. Thank you for pointing that out
08-14-2020, 02:55 PM
#93
Just picked up a new 2020 MDX Tech for my wife yesterday. I am taking her 2019- same car. We have been a 2 MDX family for years. We keep looking at other alternatives but the MDX for us just checks all the boxes and the numbers work. Was going to wait for 2021 but local dealer who i have known for 20+ years is saying 2021 no sooner than December. Take that for what it's worth. I actually am a preowned dealer/leasing company in business over 30 yrs. and though i don't usually recommend new, my cost of the new unit is less than 2020 used, low mileage units going through Manhiem at the moment. I realize that could change at any time but that is currently where we're at.
He did assure me that there will be no incentives on that car coming out of that gate and i believe that. They are still building 2020's at the moment but with current incentives i doubt if inventory-which is already low- gets any better as the year goes on. If you want 2021, you're going to pay up but that is just the nature of the beast. We will wait a year until the initial bugs are worked out and incentives eventually come back. As good as Honda is, there are always issues to work through on the initial year.
He did assure me that there will be no incentives on that car coming out of that gate and i believe that. They are still building 2020's at the moment but with current incentives i doubt if inventory-which is already low- gets any better as the year goes on. If you want 2021, you're going to pay up but that is just the nature of the beast. We will wait a year until the initial bugs are worked out and incentives eventually come back. As good as Honda is, there are always issues to work through on the initial year.
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08-14-2020, 02:58 PM
#94
Just picked up a new 2020 MDX Tech for my wife yesterday. I am taking her 2019- same car. We have been a 2 MDX family for years. We keep looking at other alternatives but the MDX for us just checks all the boxes and the numbers work. Was going to wait for 2021 but local dealer who i have known for 20+ years is saying 2021 no sooner than December. Take that for what it's worth. I actually am a preowned dealer/leasing company in business over 30 yrs. and though i don't usually recommend new, my cost of the new unit is less than 2020 used, low mileage units going through Manhiem at the moment. I realize that could change at any time but that is currently where we're at.
He did assure me that there will be no incentives on that car coming out of that gate and i believe that. They are still building 2020's at the moment but with current incentives i doubt if inventory-which is already low- gets any better as the year goes on. If you want 2021, you're going to pay up but that is just the nature of the beast. We will wait a year until the initial bugs are worked out and incentives eventually come back. As good as Honda is, there are always issues to work through on the initial year.
He did assure me that there will be no incentives on that car coming out of that gate and i believe that. They are still building 2020's at the moment but with current incentives i doubt if inventory-which is already low- gets any better as the year goes on. If you want 2021, you're going to pay up but that is just the nature of the beast. We will wait a year until the initial bugs are worked out and incentives eventually come back. As good as Honda is, there are always issues to work through on the initial year.
He is right any incentives. My dealer will have 5 2021 MDXs in December but that's an early batch.
08-14-2020, 09:37 PM
#95
Just picked up a new 2020 MDX Tech for my wife yesterday. I am taking her 2019- same car. We have been a 2 MDX family for years. We keep looking at other alternatives but the MDX for us just checks all the boxes and the numbers work. Was going to wait for 2021 but local dealer who i have known for 20+ years is saying 2021 no sooner than December. Take that for what it's worth. I actually am a preowned dealer/leasing company in business over 30 yrs. and though i don't usually recommend new, my cost of the new unit is less than 2020 used, low mileage units going through Manhiem at the moment. I realize that could change at any time but that is currently where we're at.
He did assure me that there will be no incentives on that car coming out of that gate and i believe that. They are still building 2020's at the moment but with current incentives i doubt if inventory-which is already low- gets any better as the year goes on. If you want 2021, you're going to pay up but that is just the nature of the beast. We will wait a year until the initial bugs are worked out and incentives eventually come back. As good as Honda is, there are always issues to work through on the initial year.
He did assure me that there will be no incentives on that car coming out of that gate and i believe that. They are still building 2020's at the moment but with current incentives i doubt if inventory-which is already low- gets any better as the year goes on. If you want 2021, you're going to pay up but that is just the nature of the beast. We will wait a year until the initial bugs are worked out and incentives eventually come back. As good as Honda is, there are always issues to work through on the initial year.
08-14-2020, 09:48 PM
#96
08-14-2020, 10:14 PM
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10-01-2020, 04:09 PM
#100
I think if we see 3.0t-only the starting price will be over $50k. I don’t see how Acura gets the price any lower - if they even want to keep the $44,500 base model price around...it’s just not that common for base prices to jump $6000-$7000 from gen to gen - sticker shock becomes real. I mean...a 2020 Tech model selling for $39,700...that same model in 3.0t form could be...$55,000...?
I’m wondering if we’ll see 2.0t models as FWD only...I think that would make some sense as a value play. 2.0t FWD, Sport Hybrid, 3.0t SHAWD as the performance hierarchy.
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10-01-2020, 04:31 PM
#101
I don’t necessarily disagree with calls for a 3.0t/V6 only MDX - but I just don’t see how we’re gonna get (last model year) MDX 3.0t Techs selling for $39.7K. The 3.0t is a step up from the J35.
I think if we see 3.0t-only the starting price will be over $50k. I don’t see how Acura gets the price any lower - if they even want to keep the $44,500 base model price around...it’s just not that common for base prices to jump $6000-$7000 from gen to gen - sticker shock becomes real. I mean...a 2020 Tech model selling for $39,700...that same model in 3.0t form could be...$55,000...?
I’m wondering if we’ll see 2.0t models as FWD only...I think that would make some sense as a value play. 2.0t FWD, Sport Hybrid, 3.0t SHAWD as the performance hierarchy.
I think if we see 3.0t-only the starting price will be over $50k. I don’t see how Acura gets the price any lower - if they even want to keep the $44,500 base model price around...it’s just not that common for base prices to jump $6000-$7000 from gen to gen - sticker shock becomes real. I mean...a 2020 Tech model selling for $39,700...that same model in 3.0t form could be...$55,000...?
I’m wondering if we’ll see 2.0t models as FWD only...I think that would make some sense as a value play. 2.0t FWD, Sport Hybrid, 3.0t SHAWD as the performance hierarchy.
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10-01-2020, 09:16 PM
#102
Three Wheelin'
Mercedes, Volvo, and Audi are all using 2.0Ts as the base engine in their midsize crossovers. I wouldn't be surprised if BMW follows suit too with a X5 xDrive30i at some point. For Acura, I'd bank on it getting the same 2.0T the RDX and TLX gets. Everyone else is doing it, and from an economy of scale perspective the cost of building the J35 is going to continue to rise as fewer and fewer other models use that engine.
10-02-2020, 05:17 AM
#103
I drove a Mercedes GLE 350 with the turbo 4 and it was actually a decent amount of power until it came to passing at highway speeds. I personally wouldn't buy it because I like to have extra power and I wonder long term how durable that little motor with all that boost in such a big vehicle is going to be. I have talked to the sales manager at a local Acura store several times and he is adamant that a loaded MDX with the V6 will be going up 6 - 10k. At that price point, it is getting into another level of competitors. Even though I am a strong believer in Honda and Acura, I decided not to wait any longer and have gone down another path. I ordered an X5 M50i earlier this month that should be at the dealer today. I know it won't have the reliability I have experienced with Honda over the years, but the twin turbo V8 does make it pretty fun to drive.
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10-02-2020, 05:33 AM
#104
Mercedes, Volvo, and Audi are all using 2.0Ts as the base engine in their midsize crossovers. I wouldn't be surprised if BMW follows suit too with a X5 xDrive30i at some point. For Acura, I'd bank on it getting the same 2.0T the RDX and TLX gets. Everyone else is doing it, and from an economy of scale perspective the cost of building the J35 is going to continue to rise as fewer and fewer other models use that engine.
Also, per the spyshots we've seen, do you see a turbo intercooler for the non type S models?
10-04-2020, 09:38 AM
#105
It'll be a fun vehicle in terms of driving dynamics and you'll love it. As for reliability, there is not much to worry about during the first five years when it's under factory warranty. But man, I feel for you for eating that initial depreciation cost.
10-05-2020, 09:34 AM
#106
I wonder if the turbo-6 is going to spawn a new NA V6 as well...
It would make a ton of sense. I think for large vehicle hybrids especially Honda/Acura will want the NA V6 rather than a 2.0t.
That changes the calculus somewhat but I still think Acura will want more than one trim with the 3.0t for the MDX.
10-05-2020, 10:36 AM
#107
Instructor
Fuel economy numbers would honestly be the same or worse if Honda slaps a turbo 4 into the MDX, rather than keeping the current V6. Right now looking at stats with the 4banger Q7 and GLE, both have less MPG ratings than the MDX. So if Honda wants to go the economic route, the 4banger would be counter-productive.
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10-05-2020, 11:46 AM
#108
Fuel economy numbers would honestly be the same or worse if Honda slaps a turbo 4 into the MDX, rather than keeping the current V6. Right now looking at stats with the 4banger Q7 and GLE, both have less MPG ratings than the MDX. So if Honda wants to go the economic route, the 4banger would be counter-productive.
10-05-2020, 12:47 PM
#109
Smaller engines need to work harder to keep big vehicles like these moving at speed. Often the efficiency gained by reducing displacement is negated by needing to keep the RPMs up for the engine to stay in its power band. The 3.5 V6 in the third gen already gets great mileage for an SUV, I wouldn't trade the reliability and soundtrack of the V6 for an extra mile per gallon the 4 cylinder might be able to deliver. The fuel economy of the RDX with the 2.0T isn't exactly impressive, according to the epa it's only 1 mpg better than the 2018 model with the V6. Oh well, not my decision to make and I doubt the 4 cylinder will scare away many buyers. They are the new normal after all.
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10-05-2020, 01:23 PM
#110
mrgold35
Can you imagine the mpgs of a 2.0T MDX towing 3000lbs-5000lbs at 70-75 mph in high altitudes or hilly terrain! The good thing about the 2.0T is tuning capabilities of a larger intercooler, injectors, down pipes/cat bypass, and ECU reflash for hp/tq in the +350 arena.
10-05-2020, 07:45 PM
#111
You know I'm just looking at this now. There for sure doesn't seem to be an intercooler behind the bottom opening. Looking at similar spy shots of the RDX you can definitely see the intercooler..
I wonder if the turbo-6 is going to spawn a new NA V6 as well...
It would make a ton of sense. I think for large vehicle hybrids especially Honda/Acura will want the NA V6 rather than a 2.0t.
That changes the calculus somewhat but I still think Acura will want more than one trim with the 3.0t for the MDX.
I wonder if the turbo-6 is going to spawn a new NA V6 as well...
It would make a ton of sense. I think for large vehicle hybrids especially Honda/Acura will want the NA V6 rather than a 2.0t.
That changes the calculus somewhat but I still think Acura will want more than one trim with the 3.0t for the MDX.
He also said something about a 48v in the Type S. I guess we'll see. Initially it didn't make sense to just have the base as a V6 only on the MDX but if it's sharing costs with the large Honda vehicles it makes perfect sense.
10-06-2020, 01:30 AM
#112
Mercedes, Volvo, and Audi are all using 2.0Ts as the base engine in their midsize crossovers. I wouldn't be surprised if BMW follows suit too with a X5 xDrive30i at some point. For Acura, I'd bank on it getting the same 2.0T the RDX and TLX gets. Everyone else is doing it, and from an economy of scale perspective the cost of building the J35 is going to continue to rise as fewer and fewer other models use that engine.
I assume we should be seeing the 2.0 Turbo in a base to mid trim forms of the next gen Pilot/passport.
10-07-2020, 02:35 PM
#113
I'm wondering if we'll see all NA 3.0L engines as hybrids?
Like an NA 3.0L V6 all by itself is probably not enough engine right? The industry is clearly moving towards electrification across the board so this wouldn't be wholly unprecedented especially in larger cars.
Also because the engines and platforms are seemingly interchangeable it wouldn't seem to be that complicated or expensive to still have a 2.0t MDX. I think a base FWD 2.0t MDX makes some sense for RDX buyers who want more space but aren't power obsessed or worried that much about towing. And in FWD form the 2.0t would be plenty of engine. Or Acura could simply go with 3.0L hybrids as the base and just raise the price from the current base: a current Sport Hybrid Tech is $53K - so a Base Sport Hybrid would be $48K. Acura could, rightly, argue that the starting price of the MDX is only going up by $1500 from the price of the current base MDX SHAWD at $46,500 since the current Sport Hybrid is AWD (caveat is that we have no idea what this new hybrid system will look like if it even exists!)
The Type-S is harder to peg because we simply don't know what Acura is targeting. The 355 hp 3.0t is more in line with the "regular" offerings from the germans (A7 55, X540, GLE 450) which is why I've said repeatedly it's a mistake for them to only have one trim with that engine (it's probably a mistake with the TLX Type-S as well given the response to the apparent feature set on that model). Acura can't have only one 3.0t MDX priced at $65K with only have one trim that is "missing" features. That would be enormously stupid at anywhere near that price point.
We've also seen Pilots running around with plugs on the front. So clearly Honda/Acura have some sort of PHEV system for their large vehicles. I know that it's likely the "platform" will change for the next-gen MDX - but, again, it would be enormously stupid for Acura not to design their vehicles with electrification in mind. It's not hard to imagine a PHEV MDX with over 400 hp.
The current MDX has three powertrains: V6 FWD, V6 SHAWD, Sport Hybrid.
What will the three powertrains be for the next-gen model? I could see the following possibilities:
2.0t fwd, 3.0 Sport Hybrid SHAWD, 3.0t Type-S
3.0 hybrid, 3.0t SHAWD, PHEV Type-S
I would say we'll find out soon but I'm guessing Acura will be pretty tight-lipped about powertrains at the design release. Though the press release teaser says multiple times that the MDX will usher in "new levels" of performance for Acura...to me that says PHEV given the Type-S 3.0t specs are already out...but we'll see.
Like an NA 3.0L V6 all by itself is probably not enough engine right? The industry is clearly moving towards electrification across the board so this wouldn't be wholly unprecedented especially in larger cars.
Also because the engines and platforms are seemingly interchangeable it wouldn't seem to be that complicated or expensive to still have a 2.0t MDX. I think a base FWD 2.0t MDX makes some sense for RDX buyers who want more space but aren't power obsessed or worried that much about towing. And in FWD form the 2.0t would be plenty of engine. Or Acura could simply go with 3.0L hybrids as the base and just raise the price from the current base: a current Sport Hybrid Tech is $53K - so a Base Sport Hybrid would be $48K. Acura could, rightly, argue that the starting price of the MDX is only going up by $1500 from the price of the current base MDX SHAWD at $46,500 since the current Sport Hybrid is AWD (caveat is that we have no idea what this new hybrid system will look like if it even exists!)
The Type-S is harder to peg because we simply don't know what Acura is targeting. The 355 hp 3.0t is more in line with the "regular" offerings from the germans (A7 55, X540, GLE 450) which is why I've said repeatedly it's a mistake for them to only have one trim with that engine (it's probably a mistake with the TLX Type-S as well given the response to the apparent feature set on that model). Acura can't have only one 3.0t MDX priced at $65K with only have one trim that is "missing" features. That would be enormously stupid at anywhere near that price point.
We've also seen Pilots running around with plugs on the front. So clearly Honda/Acura have some sort of PHEV system for their large vehicles. I know that it's likely the "platform" will change for the next-gen MDX - but, again, it would be enormously stupid for Acura not to design their vehicles with electrification in mind. It's not hard to imagine a PHEV MDX with over 400 hp.
The current MDX has three powertrains: V6 FWD, V6 SHAWD, Sport Hybrid.
What will the three powertrains be for the next-gen model? I could see the following possibilities:
2.0t fwd, 3.0 Sport Hybrid SHAWD, 3.0t Type-S
3.0 hybrid, 3.0t SHAWD, PHEV Type-S
I would say we'll find out soon but I'm guessing Acura will be pretty tight-lipped about powertrains at the design release. Though the press release teaser says multiple times that the MDX will usher in "new levels" of performance for Acura...to me that says PHEV given the Type-S 3.0t specs are already out...but we'll see.
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10-14-2020, 11:12 AM
#114
Instructor
Today's the day. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the reveal will be a 2021 MY or 2022 MY... the press release does not clarify this, and the fact that they call it a prototype makes me think it might be a 2021.5 or something along those lines...
Press release
Video:
Interior teaser:
**EDIT** at 15-16 seconds in the interior video, it appears there's a massage seat button.
Press release
Video:
Interior teaser:
**EDIT** at 15-16 seconds in the interior video, it appears there's a massage seat button.
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10-14-2020, 12:32 PM
#115
Instructor
And here it is:
https://www.acura.com/future-vehicle...-mdx-prototype
Looks like they will cast it as a 2022 model, and it will come out "early 2021" meaning sometime before July 1st...
https://www.acura.com/future-vehicle...-mdx-prototype
Looks like they will cast it as a 2022 model, and it will come out "early 2021" meaning sometime before July 1st...
10-14-2020, 01:06 PM
#117
You missed it
Powering the fourth-generation MDX will be one of two new powertrains. Standard power will come from Acura’s 3.5-liter V6 with i-VTEC® valvetrain, connected to an incredibly responsive and refined 10-speed automatic transmission. The upcoming MDX Type S will feature a Type S-exclusive 3.0-liter turbocharged V6 producing an estimated 355 horsepower and 354 lb.-ft. of torque, the most powerful engine ever offered in an Acura SUV. All MDX Type S models will put power to the ground through Acura’s fourth-generation SH-AWD® system.
10-14-2020, 01:17 PM
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10-15-2020, 05:55 PM
#120
Instructor
I have VCM in my '16 TLX (3.5L) and I think it's fantastic... 37 mpg on the highway is just incredible for that vehicle. But, I could also see giving drivers the option to disable it, same as the idle-stop feature.
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