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This might be very close 85%-95% of what the 4th Gen MDX interior might look like compared to the next gen TLX. Not sure if this is from the Type-S TLX or tech/adv versions? Interiors are starting to look like a cockpit from an advance fighter jet.
I have to say I really detest the screen just sticking up on the dashboard. To me it looks like an afterthought. For me it has to be integrated like my 19 MDX. It's one reason I chose the MDX over the RDX.
I have to say I really detest the screen just sticking up on the dashboard. To me it looks like an afterthought. For me it has to be integrated like my 19 MDX. It's one reason I chose the MDX over the RDX.
I can’t say I love it either. It reminds of when Mercedes starting putting what looked like a cheap knockoff Fire tablet in the middle of their dashboards, possibly affixed by a suction cup mount? Lol
In last picture, front overhang looks much better than some earlier pictures.
Agreed. That's why, while I've been critical based on earlier pictures, have agreed you have to wait to see the final issue to know. Hoping its all that because the BMW/Mercedes/Audi are further than I want to go and the rank and file below the Acura are not quite far enough
Although currently not available as a hybrid, I'm interesting in seeing the Genesis SUV in person. That is another option that may steal some sales from Acura.
Anyone have any idea if the interior is going to be any bigger? Specifically the 3rd row? I thought I read someplace that it is going to be a bit longer.
Although currently not available as a hybrid, I'm interesting in seeing the Genesis SUV in person. That is another option that may steal some sales from Acura.
The problem with Genesis is depreciation. After 3 years a Genesis G90 is only worth 40% of the original new price. The G70 & G80 is not as bad but still depreciates like crazy. The GV80 is a very attractive alternative but man, I'd hate to be that guy who has to eat the new car depreciation on a Genesis.
Last edited by flanker271; 07-14-2020 at 01:14 PM.
^ I am not sure the depreciation on the MDX is that good neither. My 2016 AWD had the msrp of $46k . Carmax gave me only $17.5k after 5yrs 65k miles in like new condition. I was able to get $20k from the dealer when I traded it in for a 2020 AWD for $35.5k
The Kia Telluride is selling at or above msrp now.
^ I am not sure the depreciation on the MDX is that good neither. My 2016 AWD had the msrp of $46k . Carmax gave me only $17.5k after 5yrs 65k miles in like new condition. I was able to get $20k from the dealer when I traded it in for a 2020 AWD for $35.5k
The Kia Telluride is selling at or above msrp now.
You paid $35.5k for a new 2020 MDX??? Wow, great deal. AWD?
You paid $35.5k for a new 2020 MDX??? Wow, great deal. AWD?
Yep. Base AWD. That was the reason I traded the 2016 in. In case you didn't know, dealers are desperated now. This deal is almost nationwide because I helped my family and friends got similiar deal in different states.
Yep. Base AWD. That was the reason I traded the 2016 in. In case you didn't know, dealers are desperated now. This deal is almost nationwide because I helped my family and friends got similiar deal in different states.
Maybe I’m going about it all wrong, but the dealers don’t seem to want to deal with me and keep feeding me the same line about the car being in high demand and not having much inventory. When I point out to them that every dealer in town has 30 or more MDX’s on their lot, that pretty much ends the conversation. I don’t know if they think that people don’t do their homework or what, but I’m just not seeing the same great deals here.
Case in point, to lease an MDX for three years at 15,000 miles a year, the best price I could get is around $560 a month with no money down, all in. That seems high to me given that this is the last year of the current model and the 2021s will be out in a few months. And let’s not forget we’re in the midst of a global pandemic. The lease price is based on a sales price of about $42,000, if I recall correctly, MSRP is $52.300. I realize that’s $10,000 off sticker, but we are at the end of the model year. The car is literally one year-old the moment you drive it off the lot.
That's a really good price, however, I bet they hit you with "Acura Financial Standard Rates". Best I was quoted was $41900 with standard rates, $45900 with outside financing, and $47900 with Acura .9 financing.
Which dealership is this? Looking to get a 2020 as well. Thanks
Maybe I’m going about it all wrong, but the dealers don’t seem to want to deal with me and keep feeding me the same line about the car being in high demand and not having much inventory. When I point out to them that every dealer in town has 30 or more MDX’s on their lot, that pretty much ends the conversation. I don’t know if they think that people don’t do their homework or what, but I’m just not seeing the same great deals here.
Case in point, to lease an MDX for three years at 15,000 miles a year, the best price I could get is around $560 a month with no money down, all in. That seems high to me given that this is the last year of the current model and the 2021s will be out in a few months. And let’s not forget we’re in the midst of a global pandemic. The lease price is based on a sales price of about $42,000, if I recall correctly, MSRP is $52.300. I realize that’s $10,000 off sticker, but we are at the end of the model year. The car is literally one year-old the moment you drive it off the lot.
You might have to get out of your comfort zone. Meaning get away from the local guys. Somebody will deal. Now whether it is the local dealership right down the street, that is another story. Even back when I bought my MDX, some 2.5 years ago, I had to get about an hour and a half away from my local area to get the exact vehicle at an acceptable price. Was it somewhat of an inconvenience? Yep. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I have flown to Houston from Raleigh to buy a unicorn (Lexus GS450h) in the past. So speaking from experience. Deals are out there. Just not always right under your nose.
that price is for Denver and Bay Area. when i talked to them, i always started out saying that i was a car salesman not long ago, to prevent them playing numbers with me and straight to the point
Well, we’ve shopped the price around at about 4 dealers in our area. The one who is the lowest (by a sizeable margin) won’t budge, which makes me think they are at or near the bottom. In early March, they quoted me on a 3 year lease, 15k miles a year, nothing down, $541/month based on a sales price of $39,500 (tech, MSRP $52,300). It was the first dealer we went to and we haven’t seen lower anywhere else. Then Covid hit, and the prices have gone up, yes up, even at the original dealer where the price for the same car is now $560/month (they raised the number on us and won’t match the March deal).
I saw this over on Temple of Vtec about the next gen TLX. I imagine the equipment listing for the trim levels and color would be very similar for the next gen MDX:
Possible new tech for the MDX depending on trim level:
- 10AT (10AT with the 2.0T for TLX for sure, ??? on AT or DCT for 3.0T)
- 4th Gen sh-awd with rear bias (for TLX, not sure for MDX)
- Traffic Jam Assit and Traffic sign recognition
- Electro-servo brake system from NSX
- customization of ambient lighting
- wireless charging
- heads up display (Adv)
- 16 way ventilated seats (Adv)
I hope this list isn't the same break-down for the MDX because the tech upgrades don't seem that exciting to me to upgrade anytime soon from my 19 MDX Hybrid.
^^^I know this is looking at TLX specs trying to forecast what is going to happen with the MDX. But I'm going to ask again until someone finds something to shut me up, where is the hybrid? Are they doing away with it? I haven't seen anything saying they are.
One question I have is that if there will be a hybrid MDX. If there is, will the hybrid powertrain pair with the low-ouput base engine or the high-output turbo-V6 engine as the Type-S trim ?
Well, we’ve shopped the price around at about 4 dealers in our area. The one who is the lowest (by a sizeable margin) won’t budge, which makes me think they are at or near the bottom. In early March, they quoted me on a 3 year lease, 15k miles a year, nothing down, $541/month based on a sales price of $39,500 (tech, MSRP $52,300). It was the first dealer we went to and we haven’t seen lower anywhere else. Then Covid hit, and the prices have gone up, yes up, even at the original dealer where the price for the same car is now $560/month (they raised the number on us and won’t match the March deal).
This is a strange car market for sure. The factory was closed for 2+ months and demand is stronger than all car manufacturers expected. days supply of a lot of models is actually lower than it was before Covid hit. That being said a good rule of thumb is if the lease price is 1% of the sticker price of the car that is an excellent deal. You are not really that far off from that because you are rolling in sales tax too. Also the residual value is lower now then it was in March so that accounts for part of the increased price as well.
This is a strange car market for sure. The factory was closed for 2+ months and demand is stronger than all car manufacturers expected. days supply of a lot of models is actually lower than it was before Covid hit. That being said a good rule of thumb is if the lease price is 1% of the sticker price of the car that is an excellent deal. You are not really that far off from that because you are rolling in sales tax too. Also the residual value is lower now then it was in March so that accounts for part of the increased price as well.
Do you mind if I ask what kinds of numbers you’re seeing in your area?
Thanks for that TLX spec sheet. The advanced is checking off a lot of high priorities (if it makes it to the MDX). Heated steering wheel, heated rear seats, all the traffic/parking/blind-spot/etc stuff.
My only concern is that the interior colors are highly restrictive to the choice of exterior paint... I never understood that. And I generally dislike that the best colors are exclusive to the A-spec trim, while limiting other valuable features. For example, you can't have an Apex Blue Pearl TLX with Parchment Interior and get a remote start key fob. You have to sacrifice something like remote start, or paint color, or interior (or a few of those). Why???? People will pay for it!
^^^I know this is looking at TLX specs trying to forecast what is going to happen with the MDX. But I'm going to ask again until someone finds something to shut me up, where is the hybrid? Are they doing away with it? I haven't seen anything saying they are.
I was thinking the 4th Gen Type-S would be the current sports-hybrid system added to the 3.0T engine. After hearing about the next gen sh-awd with more rear bias makes me think the Type-S MDX will be a high output 3.0T version with the newest mechanical sh-awd system. Seems like we might have to wait until the MDX MMC in around 2024 for a hybrid MDX version (that would have been the time I would be ready to upgrade anyways).
I was thinking the 4th Gen Type-S would be the current sports-hybrid system added to the 3.0T engine. After hearing about the next gen sh-awd with more rear bias makes me think the Type-S MDX will be a high output 3.0T version with the newest mechanical sh-awd system. Seems like we might have to wait until the MDX MMC in around 2024 for a hybrid MDX version (that would have been the time I would be ready to upgrade anyways).
Well hopefully Honda/Acura is happy with the sales numbers for the past/current version of the hybrid MDX and not decide to abandon it. Would be a shame to have that tech and performance in only one vehicle, the NSX. Seems like that would be taking a big step backwards.
There's been a bunch of debate about changing or freezing those numbers, but you can see that the numbers increase every year. The hybrid trim achieves an average of 27 mpg whereas all the other trims achieve an average of 21 to 23 mpg, depend on trim and AWD or not. Removing the hybrid from the lineup hurts Acura's numbers, so I highly doubt they'd remove it, unless somehow their gas-only engines significantly improve. Which I guess would be a good thing for the non-hybrid drivers, but it would be bad publicity for Acura... The cities of Boulder and Berkeley would probably ban sales of Acuras.
Do you mind if I ask what kinds of numbers you’re seeing in your area?
I did not look at a tech or 15K lease. The 1% of sticker I mentioned would apply to a standard mileage lease (10K for Acura or 12K for Honda). If the lease is based on a selling price of below $42,000 jump on it that seems to be a very aggressive price. The fact that no other dealer will match it indicates you have a solid deal.
There's been a bunch of debate about changing or freezing those numbers, but you can see that the numbers increase every year. The hybrid trim achieves an average of 27 mpg whereas all the other trims achieve an average of 21 to 23 mpg, depend on trim and AWD or not. Removing the hybrid from the lineup hurts Acura's numbers, so I highly doubt they'd remove it, unless somehow their gas-only engines significantly improve. Which I guess would be a good thing for the non-hybrid drivers, but it would be bad publicity for Acura... The cities of Boulder and Berkeley would probably ban sales of Acuras.
And now you have manufacturers rolling out vehicles with smaller engines (4-cyl) w/turbo chargers to obtain better MPG's. I'm not an engine guy. So I have no idea how turbo charging and hybrid tech would/could work. Would be truly disappointed to see Acura get rid of something that goes back to the 2012-13 ILX hybrid. Gone is the RLX hybrid. Is the MDX hybrid the next hybrid to go?
Any word on what the base engine would be? I'd hate to see them adapt the 2.0t in a vehicle as large as the MDX. Makes sense in the smaller RDX and the TLX, but with the size and weight of the MDX plus its passengers and cargo, it would be utilizing the turbo constantly. Hoping it's still a some sort of V6.
Any word on what the base engine would be? I'd hate to see them adapt the 2.0t in a vehicle as large as the MDX. Makes sense in the smaller RDX and the TLX, but with the size and weight of the MDX plus its passengers and cargo, it would be utilizing the turbo constantly. Hoping it's still a some sort of V6.
I hope not either; but, the 1st gen RDX (3935lbs, 2.3T 240hp/260tq) comes in almost the same curb weight of around 4050 lbs for the current fwd 3rd Gen base/tech MDX. Don't know if the 4th Gen fwd base/tech will come in more or less weight compared to the 3rd Gen MDX once you add the 2.0T+10AT (272hp/280tq). I've never got over 22 mpg in my 08 RDX in any driving situations and my combined mpgs were always between 17.5 - 19.5. My 11 MDX Adv+Ent with the 6AT+3.7L (300hp/270tq, 4550 lbs) always got 1-3 mpgs higher on the hwy than my 08 RDX. No way I can stay out of turbo boost in my 08 RDX at 75-80 mph on the hwy at 5200-7200 elevation.
Yeah, we routinely get in the mid to upper 20s in our 2015 especially on the highway. Did not know the 1st gen RDXs were so heavy. There's at least a 300 lb difference between the current generations not including the extra passengers/cargo.
Any word on what the base engine would be? I'd hate to see them adapt the 2.0t in a vehicle as large as the MDX. Makes sense in the smaller RDX and the TLX, but with the size and weight of the MDX plus its passengers and cargo, it would be utilizing the turbo constantly. Hoping it's still a some sort of V6.
I suspect it will be, given that a lot of the other competitors are using similar sized engines for their base model. The GLE, Q7, and XC90 all use 2.0Ts as their base engine.
Any word on what the base engine would be? I'd hate to see them adapt the 2.0t in a vehicle as large as the MDX. Makes sense in the smaller RDX and the TLX, but with the size and weight of the MDX plus its passengers and cargo, it would be utilizing the turbo constantly. Hoping it's still a some sort of V6.
Don't worry, the newer Honda turbo 2L-i4 has tons of low end torque. It has even more output torque than the previously-used 3.5L-V6 engine.
This massive torque will sure move the heavy MDX, with ease.
I hope those aren’t fake air dams on the sides ... it’s a good look but if they’re fake, it totally ruins it. Otherwise, front profile is looking really good.
All the spy shots, however, make me feel like they’re still in the middle of marketing shots and not yet ready for announcements. It might be weeks/months before all the literature/videos are crafted with the right images/shots.
I hope those aren’t fake air dams on the sides ... it’s a good look but if they’re fake, it totally ruins it. Otherwise, front profile is looking really good.
All the spy shots, however, make me feel like they’re still in the middle of marketing shots and not yet ready for announcements. It might be weeks/months before all the literature/videos are crafted with the right images/shots.
That's probably already done. This camo had nothing to do with any of that. It'll debut in October.
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