Xiomaro

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any tire rcomendations for us with 20's? mine are 20x 8.5

sac2006TL

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Could you post some pics?

sac2006TL

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I have 245/45/17's on there now. They are Falken 912's. I definitely want a wider tire, at a good price. I am looking to see if anyone has pics of a 255/45/17? I feel that it may make the TL look like a truck...

Xiomaro

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Helloooooo? trying to get a good tire recommendation for 20's!

DefTL

Wow...just finished reading the 16 pages of this thread

The only concern that comes to my mind with the 255/40/17tires is on a long distance ride (eg From New York to Miami). Is it safe? I mean, is there a risk of the tire literaly blowing up because it was not intended to be fitted on a 8inch wheel?

I hate cars

Not even close. I used to commute 4 hours straight every week and I've put well over 20,000 miles on this size with no problems. IMO, it's safer than the thousands of idiots going for the stretched look.

iRach

Checking in with my 255/40-17's!

After thoroughly reading this thread and others, I got extremely excited about putting these on my car. I went with 255/40ZR-17 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec. Here is a link to some photos taken with my iPhone, I'll have many more that are hi-res soon.

Link: '08 TL Type-S

iRach

Here are the photos in case the link doesn't work:

I hate cars

Those are exactly what I was going to try next! How do you like them?

iRach

I absolutely love them. My boyfriend has a 350Z with Vredestein's and he's even jealous of my tires now. Talk about sticky, it's like I'm driving on rails.

I hate cars

I really wish my current tires would wear out already. How's the road noise compared to stock?

iRach

It's so, so quiet. I had the stock Bridgestone's on there. If you just look at the Dunlop's tread, they have wider contact patches and the compound is not as hard so it is significantly quieter. My tread wasn't all worn out, but I figured why not stimulate the economy where I can help. :lol:

Rob RiL

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ahem.....so, 275/40/17s anyone?

Inaccurate

Almost... Have you seen this thread yet ?

They said It couldn't be done (click here)

Rob RiL

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Yea, I've read that thread. Basically, it can be done. How reliable and safe is it? ....275 on a 8" rim? Not at all.

It would look great but you'd get worse gas mileage (*I think) from that big of a tire. Oh, and I doubt it would fit in the front.

I'm going with the 255s for only the rear right now. My front tires have 8/32nds tread so I'll leave them alone. Hopefully I will just get rid of stock wheels within the time the front tires wear out.

brassai

Ok... I like the look, I read all 16 pages... took me all day because I've been cross referencing other sites, looking up data etc.

I'm planning on going with the 255/40/17, but I may consider going 245/40-17 depending on tread width and reviews (but I kinda doubt it).
I have an '06 TL 5AT NAVI

• I want a wider footprint,
• I want better performance
• I live in Northern Ca. (just south of San Francisco) so the likelihood of ice or snow is slim to none, and rain isn't even all that bad most of the time.
• I drive aggressively (I once got pulled over by CHP in the SoCal Desert radar'd at 142 Mph. The officer said that the only reason he didn't throw me in jail instantly is that the road was basically deserted that early Sunday morning, and that no court in the state would believe that I was going 142 in my little 4-banger Saturn SL2, but I still have the printout that he gave me from the gun.) I enjoy the TL more for it's handling, although I've had it on the strip up at Sears Point, and on the tracks at both Sears Point and Laguna Seca (Ok... Infineon and whatever they call Laguna Seca these days), although I don't and have no plans to race it in any serious way.
  
• It needs to be at least as comfortable ride as the OEM tires (or my wife will not be happy)
• I want it to be quieter than the OEM tires.

I might consider the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3, I like what I've read in this thread.

I've had Yokohama's (W rated with regards to my above speeding comment) on my Saturn after the stock Firestones, but not long enough that I could say I liked them or not, but I really like the look of Bear's AVS ES100's.

I've always been partial to BFGoodrich, It's a family thing. Even the tires I had on my first bicycle were BFG's (actually, so was the Bike itself). That's what I have on my Truck and had on all my cars prior to the Saturn (all early-mid 70's muscle cars, I did amateur drag racing in them)

I am going over to TireRack to research more, and everyone in this thread who got the Goodyear F1's have said a lot. I'd really like to hear anyone here with Yokohama's or BFG's (Bear? IHateCars?) opinions in general but particularly the comfort and noise aspect. And if anyone else has a strong opinion don't hesitate to throw it in!

I have to get new tires in the next few days... I actually only NEED 2.. I've got a nail in the sidewall of the Front Passenger tire causing a slow leak and a sketchy situation for driving, and it's irreparable. If I get 2 I may as well get 4 and get something better.

Thanks Much!!

sac2006TL

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So I finally got the 255/40/17's.

It's a long story, but after reading this thread, I wanted this size tire because of the wider footprint. But, the wheel gap in many of the pics was a bit much for me.

So I found a set of Eibach Pro-Kits on Ebay for $60 shipped, and they were brand new. How could I say no? I got the springs on, with the stock struts/shocks. I loved the look!

Well that was a mistake, since my car has 70k on it. The shocks were worn badly and everywhere I read, people basically said that they would blow within 3k miles. The car also rode like poop and there was lots of noise (banging especially in the rear, which was supposedly because the stock struts/shocks were too long... I dunno if I buy this, but it gave me good enough reason to get new shocks). So I picked up Tokico blues. I put them on, and the car actually raised up a slight bit, that's how worn the old shocks were. The ride with the new springs/shocks was and is simply AWESOME!

So for a while there I was riding on Falken ZE912's in a 245/45/17, with my new suspension. But remember, my whole goal in lowering the car in the first place was to close the wheel gap when I went to the 255/40/17's.

I rode out the 245/45/17's as long as I could, but the car was getting absurdly loud. I felt like a helicopter everytime I was driving. So this weekend I finally got the 255/40/17's on. I put the same Falken ZE912's on. The reason is as follows: I called Discount Tire Direct with the intention to buy four Goodyear Eagle GT's. I told them about how the Falken were okay, but didn't last nearly as long as the claimed 45k tread warranty (I got about 25k out of the old set). The guy said he was sorry and told me he would send me a NEW set of Falken's in the 255/40/17 size, shipped to my house, all for $300 flat. So I said okay. I am sure these tires will last me a year (as I drive 110 miles a day roundtrip to work!), and then I'll get the Goodyears.

My thoughts...

The 245/45/17 definitely made the car look truckish after lowering it, as the sidewall was too tall.

NOW I feel like the 255/40/17's make the car look kind of clownish. From far away, the wheels just look too small on the car. It just doesn't look right in my opinion. Could be the tire I got. Or it could be that I am used to seeing the larger sidewall of the 245/45/17's and that I am just not used to the new tires yet.

Regardless, if I had to do it all over again, I would probably go with a 245/45/17 from Yokohama, as I have heard and read that Yoko's have a larger treadwidth than most other tires for any given size.

Performance-wise, the 255/40/17 is a noticable PLUS. I feel that my car accelerates slightly quicker (could be in my head), definitely brakes faster/better (meaning a 60 to zero stop occurs over a significantly shorter distance), and corners much better. When I take hard turns, the dash of the car feels and looks to be parallel with the road. Of course, my new springs and shocks help this effect, but remember that at first I had the 245/45/17's with the new suspension (and I can definitely say the cornering wasn't nearly as good).

Milage seems to be the same, and if looking from an angle or from behind, the car does look pretty slick.

I have a 6-speed manual 2006 TL.

Maybe over the next few weeks the car will look "right" to me. Or maybe after a wash and wheel shine, I'll be happy. The look of the car brings an "eh, it's okay" look to my face. But the ride definitely makes me grin

I hate cars

I think I'm going the same route. I find myself cornering and braking harder to try and wear these things out quicker but regardless in a month or two I'll have the new ones on, just trying to wear them out a little more to lower the guilt factor.

When you said they are quiet, that really sealed the deal. The ones I have are making it hard to carry on a conversation. No more BFGs on this car.

Thanks for the input!

brassai

iRach,

I thinkyou may hae talked me into my first set of Dunlops. Your Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs sound terrific. I Hate Cars complaints about road noise have all but talked me out of the BFG's. the ratings on Tirerack have me leaning to the Michelin Pilot Sports, but $260+ is a LOT of money. I can get the Dunlops for $100 yess and they seem to be as good. I'm not adverse to spending money for a good product, but it just doesn't seem the Michelins are worth the extra hundred, and the GoodYear Eagles are worth the extra $60 per tire.

the USOG ratings are 200AA for the Dunlop, 220AAA for the michelin
On TireRack, the Michelin ranks #1 in "max" performance and the Dunlop #1 in "Extreme" performance (Dunlop a higher performance rank). But the Michelin seems to have a better rating for comfort and noise and the survey ratings for handling are similar.

On Discount Tire the Michelin actually ranks lower.

The more I read however, the more I lean towards the Michelin... but there's still the Dunlop and Yokohama ADVAN's in the running. Honestly, my favorite tire was a Firestone Firehawk, and while I wasn't as pleased with treadwear on my Saturn, those things were on rails...but I can't get em in 255/40-17...

AUGGHH!! I hate this when there isn't a CLEAR choice.
Comments? iRach, can you look at my post above and tell me how the Dunlops fit in?

I hate cars

Don't put too much weight on the traction ratings of the tires. These are wet traction ratings. Dry traction is not rated.

Bearcat94

There is someone running 295 in the rear.

Bearcat94

Tread wear too. Tread wear ratings are only relative to other tires by the same manufacturer. Although Mich 220 and Dunlop 200 should be in the same ballpark, you can't say for sure.

I got the Mich Pilot Sport A/S Plus. Only reason was because I got a $20 per tire discount. The Summer version (Mich Pilot Sport) is supposed to be a very good tire, but worth the extra $$$ -

Read the reviews too, not just the survey. The reviews were way out in front calling the GY F1 A/S too noisy. The survey took a little while to catch up.

Minuit001

Wow...4 hrs of reading all 16 pages.

Tks too all for the immance info but my baby need new shoes and they need to be All-Seasons.
looking for 255/45/17 or 245/45/17 on stock rims
Recommandation GY F1, Toyo Proxy 4 or other?
Tks

Anybody

ILLustriousUA6

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toyo T1R.. don't get the goodyears, they are shitty.

chill_dog

The Proxes 4 are a great all season tire.

SpecialFX

+1

I've had 255-40-17 Proxes 4s for about 25,000 miles and I've liked them. I never rotated them and the fronts are pretty shot. One also has a bubble from a curbing incident. (no comment) I was considering going wider in the back but I'm just going to replace them with 255s. They've been great and the rears look like new. I'd say you can't go wrong with them. The best price I've found so far is here:
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.p...35&sowigan=GAN

$120/each is a great price.

Pharmduq64

Hey guys, was looking to get my stock Michelins replaced on my 07 TL-S wheels. I am planning on getting RonJons for the summer but I want a good all-around tire for the stocks. Looking at the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus or the PS2s, the biggest difference being the all weather. Any recommendations? Also, any suggestions on size? Should I go with the standard 235/45 or go a little wider and lower profile 245/40 or 245/35? Thanks any help would be great.

Inaccurate

You can remove the PS2 from your short list. The PS2 (which I have) wears EXTREMELY fast because there are nearly a R-compound tire. I will be getting the PS2 again because I am willing to pay for the sticky grip that the PS2 offers. But, I assume you are like the majority of folks and prefer a tire that has decent mileage (life).

mrlunecy

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what's the compound rating for GS-D3s? they last longer than PS2s?

dmightyquinn

I need no further convincing. I have the required Falken 452 255-40-17 tires on my Type-S

Holla!! https://acurazine.com/forums/all_albums.php

chill_dog

Let's fix that link...

https://acurazine.com/forums/members/dmightyquinn-202755-albums-batmobile-3258/

EDIT: the tires look good.

Opel

Hi,

i didnt read the whole thread but i read the first post...so if this has been mentioned before, pardon me!

I did have 255/40s on stock rims, years ago... and while its true, wide tires make the car look nicer, breaking and grip increases, there's a few cons....

this is true, especially for those who have modified suspension, such as stiffer springs, shocks, or coilovers.....ill explain in a bit

first of all, when you mount a 255/40 tire on an 8" wide rim, the side walls ends up folding inwards, creating a curve, which prevents 100% vertical sidewall support from the edge of the rim, which leads to flexing of tires under stress (such as jerking of steering if you need to, or quick lane change), that also takes away tire responsiveness...it is felt much more if you have modified suspension...the stiffer ur suspension, the more you will feel this... any maneuvers will send the stress straight to the weakest link...and in this case, it happens to be ur bent sidewalls.

this makes the car feel very loose at high speeds...as if ur riding on balloons...

255/40 is too wide for an 8" rim....it needs a 9"inch rim.

sidewalls need to sit straight...the edge of the tire to the edge of the rim... and if possible...slightly stretched outwards <--- this is the best setup, for max response and handling...this is when the sidewall are very well supported by the rim, and are at their stiffest.

another thing is...wider tires mean more DRAG... so after about 60 mph, ur car will get a bit slower lol

Inaccurate

To all,

I agree with Opel's post above. I had meant to post this and never got around to it. I learned of these disadvantages in hindsight when I got 235/40 tires to replace my 255's. With the 235's again installed, I realized how much drag that I had from the 255's. I very much agree with Opel that the sidewalls support much better when the sidewalls are straight and preferable bowed outward at the rim (which is opposite with 255's, which bow inward at the rim).

I still say that there is nothing dangerous with having the 255's on oem rims..... the tire is Not going to blowout as some have implied. However, as Opel stated, there are disadvantages to the 255's on oem size rims.

Thank you Opel

Inaccurate

I am sorry mrlunecy. I had overlooked your question.

I do not know the actual durometer readings of the tires. However, based on my experience and reading reviews on TireRack, the Goodyear Eagle F1 (D3) has exceptional grip considering that it offers normal tire life. The Michelin PS2 is nearly an R-Compound tire (in my opinion). The PS2 has much more grip than the F1-D3, but the PS2 wears much, much, much faster.

Opel

The pleasure is all mine lol

while the tires wont blow (255/40 on the stock 8" rim)
i just felt i should throw this out there for the simple reason of saving someone the headache and frustration, once they get such setup and experience "floating" at high speeds, and start blaming the tires for it after spending $$$ on high performance rubber...it just wouldn't feel right..

just smth to be aware of...

i feel that a lot, being that my car's slammed, and its stiff as a rock. Any stress goes straight to my tires,

latetly its been my bushings lol... since i got my hands on stiff tires.

cheers:::

I hate cars

255s on stock rims do not have more sway or excessive sidewall flex. They do not fold up the outside of the tread. That's complete BS.

An ultra or max performance summer tire is going to have so much more sidewall stiffness than a stock tire it's not funny. That .0000001% sidewall stiffness you lose with a wider tire is more than made up with the higher performance tire's stiffer sidewall.

And let's get real, how many on Acurazine will ever be able to take advantage of a stiffer more direct sidewall?? How many know the first thing about steering feedback? How about turn in crispness?? Give me the extra cornering and braking any day over an intangable difference in sidewall stiffness and a tread problem that doesn't exist.

Let's get real and not make up problems that don't exist.

I hate cars

The PS2 is only average when compared to summer tires in wet or dry traction. It does everything well, wet, dry cornering, noise level, everything. But there are many tires that are much cheaper that will blow it away on a track. I've got the Nitto NT05s on order, these will be on the car when it goes to Willow soon. These seem to bridge the gap between a full race R compound and a max performance summer tire. The 200 treadwear rating is more than Nitto's Drag Radial but less than their Invos or 555s.

Inaccurate

I Hate Cars,

Good to see you back buddy !!! Thanks for the pent-up feedback on tire fitment and advice on the Nitto NT05. Looking forward to seeing your feedback on many topics on Acurazine .

Look out for those forum thread cops

Opel

it was only smth i experienced....and if u dont believe me...try it... on STIFF suspension.

i wasn't smth that no one should do... just a simple smth anyone will experience

I hate cars

Yes, that post was lots of pent up feelings from the ban lol. I'll definately have some feedback on the Nittos. I'm hoping to get them in time for the big Ca. meet and get some freeway experience on them.