What is with this stretching tires trend...?
04-08-2009, 04:23 PM
#121
Burning Brakes
Too anyone bitching about safety with any of the following mod's
Aftermarket wheels = Your car was not designed for these wheels and they are in most case's not as strong as your OEM wheels, they could crack and you
could hit sed mini van with kids in it ,lol
Low profile tires = Once again your car was not designed to handle these tires the lack of side wall puts more stress on your wheels and suspension and could cause premature failure and become a safety hazard.
Tinted headlights or taillights = This is not only a hazard to your self (In that it restricts your vision but it is a hazard to others (in than they are less likely to see you)
Aftermarket suspension = In most cases are stiffer putting more stress on other suspension components (tie-rods bushings elect) that could result in premature failure and be a hazard.
C.A.I= In high water it could cause your motor to lock-up and could potentially make you lose control and have an accident (this happen to someone I know)
HID fogs mods Your fog lights lack a piece of metal in them that keep the bright light from blinding other drivers and could cause an accident.
The list goes on and on and on
Moral of the story MOST MODS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS so shut your hypocritical cunt mouth and realize that you are on a custom car enthusiast site that obviously puts mods before safety for the most part.
Aftermarket wheels = Your car was not designed for these wheels and they are in most case's not as strong as your OEM wheels, they could crack and you
could hit sed mini van with kids in it ,lol
Low profile tires = Once again your car was not designed to handle these tires the lack of side wall puts more stress on your wheels and suspension and could cause premature failure and become a safety hazard.
Tinted headlights or taillights = This is not only a hazard to your self (In that it restricts your vision but it is a hazard to others (in than they are less likely to see you)
Aftermarket suspension = In most cases are stiffer putting more stress on other suspension components (tie-rods bushings elect) that could result in premature failure and be a hazard.
C.A.I= In high water it could cause your motor to lock-up and could potentially make you lose control and have an accident (this happen to someone I know)
HID fogs mods Your fog lights lack a piece of metal in them that keep the bright light from blinding other drivers and could cause an accident.
The list goes on and on and on
Moral of the story MOST MODS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS so shut your hypocritical cunt mouth and realize that you are on a custom car enthusiast site that obviously puts mods before safety for the most part.
And HI OFECR...great blatant abuse of the phrase "not designed"....obviously our cars are designed more than what's in em. No engineer designs anything without placing a factor of safety on it. This is seen by the lineup of modifications offered by Acura itself.... Aspec suspension, p vs type S, larger rims manufactured by Enkei.
Is it smart to close in that gap of factor of safety...eh, up to a point its cool!
Can you do it? Sure!
Tire Stretching places higher stresses on the walls of the tires...hence the blowout picture... If the tire can handle it, great. But if it cant, fail. Is said tire stretcher endangering those of others on the streets by probably overdoing the stretch, or using a cheap/low strength tire...Most would say yes. How many here can say they have complete control of their vehicle under a catostrophic tire failure?
In my opinion
it looks like rice along with all sorts of fugly.
Remember..Opinion
Thats all Kennedy was getting at.
04-08-2009, 04:54 PM
#122
Too anyone bitching about safety with any of the following mod's
Aftermarket wheels = Your car was not designed for these wheels and they are in most case's not as strong as your OEM wheels, they could crack and you
could hit sed mini van with kids in it ,lol
Low profile tires = Once again your car was not designed to handle these tires the lack of side wall puts more stress on your wheels and suspension and could cause premature failure and become a safety hazard.
Aftermarket wheels = Your car was not designed for these wheels and they are in most case's not as strong as your OEM wheels, they could crack and you
could hit sed mini van with kids in it ,lol
Low profile tires = Once again your car was not designed to handle these tires the lack of side wall puts more stress on your wheels and suspension and could cause premature failure and become a safety hazard.
Sure, Seva's are known bad, Privats are known to "bend" not shatter... but that's about it. The rule, and again, my comments are about lack of performance, is to get stronger performance wheels... Hence my comment about using Volk TE's (VERY strong single block forged) and then stretching tires over them... why...?
Your tires comment makes no sense. How does a tire put more stress on the suspension?
Using cheap inferior products as a saafety issue seems to be the theme, which to that I say... no shit Let's discuss further.
Many here feel it's OK to do exactly what you said (make mods that are dangerous in the name of vanity), which again, I agree with you on many points... Doesn't mean I should shut up about it becasue of where we are. In fact, as a member here, I feel I SHOULD be raising these issues in hopes some folks thinking about making said modifications may reconsider.
I've runover a ricers shitty installed spoiler that blew off, I've been blinded by a ricers shitty HID fogs, I've almost hit a ricers due to the "blackout"... I'm just waiting to be side swiped by a ricers blowout due to ill fiting rims and stretched tires.
Mods are fine, they're great. I've got the value of my TL in mods. None of which are safety hazards to others unless something catastrophic fails due to a significant manufacturing defect that was not detected by a competent installer (ME!), or due to lack of maintenence and inspection.
Perhaps you could use a lesson in manners and effective writing. It'll take ya places talking like a derelect sailor won't...
04-08-2009, 05:30 PM
#123
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It's 2009 the virus has got to a lot of folks. Every new wheels thread has this as the centerpeice.
I don't get it guys... Help me out here.
Why.
That used to be a trend in the Euro crowd, but as Japanese manufacturers begin to converge thier styling towards German design, I can see why the influence is bleeding over... but I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.
1) It's dangerous. the sidewall is designed to absorb energy horizonatally, not at 45 degrees. Thsi is hotly contested on the internet, but it is a fact, and few shops will mount stretched tires for a reason.
2) It's expensive. Raw lips hangin in the breeze. Can you say curb damage?
4) When coupled with these extreme offsets that are danger close to the "rolled" fender, the danger is amplified more, as most of these wide stance cars I've seen are slammed. At 120 mph, slammed, and your stretched tire that close to the fender... get my drift? and that said, most folks are only doing lock to lock steering checks in thier slammed configuration. What happens when you hit a bump with your wheel turned? I'll give you one guess.
3) It's aestetically... awkward. It's interesting to look at as it more cleanly shows the rims, but it looks like something has gone wrong in your tire mounting.
I guess I like to pretend my 300+ WHP car has a performance side to it, and when I choose to engage that side of it, I want my wheels/tire choice to help, not impair the driving style I've elected. I'm not driving a trailer queen 64 impala on hydro's...
I expect a lot of "cuz it looks hawt..." responses, which is acceptable I guess... but 13" Dayton's looked good in 1989, and 30" on Donks looks good to some folks today. To me, the stretched tire trend is counter performance and is in the same category.
Maybe I'm gonna buck the trend and go back to subdued lightweight 17's and beefier wider tires... A real perforamance car look, and real performance to go with the look.
Discuss...
I don't get it guys... Help me out here.
Why.
That used to be a trend in the Euro crowd, but as Japanese manufacturers begin to converge thier styling towards German design, I can see why the influence is bleeding over... but I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.
1) It's dangerous. the sidewall is designed to absorb energy horizonatally, not at 45 degrees. Thsi is hotly contested on the internet, but it is a fact, and few shops will mount stretched tires for a reason.
2) It's expensive. Raw lips hangin in the breeze. Can you say curb damage?
4) When coupled with these extreme offsets that are danger close to the "rolled" fender, the danger is amplified more, as most of these wide stance cars I've seen are slammed. At 120 mph, slammed, and your stretched tire that close to the fender... get my drift? and that said, most folks are only doing lock to lock steering checks in thier slammed configuration. What happens when you hit a bump with your wheel turned? I'll give you one guess.
3) It's aestetically... awkward. It's interesting to look at as it more cleanly shows the rims, but it looks like something has gone wrong in your tire mounting.
I guess I like to pretend my 300+ WHP car has a performance side to it, and when I choose to engage that side of it, I want my wheels/tire choice to help, not impair the driving style I've elected. I'm not driving a trailer queen 64 impala on hydro's...
I expect a lot of "cuz it looks hawt..." responses, which is acceptable I guess... but 13" Dayton's looked good in 1989, and 30" on Donks looks good to some folks today. To me, the stretched tire trend is counter performance and is in the same category.
Maybe I'm gonna buck the trend and go back to subdued lightweight 17's and beefier wider tires... A real perforamance car look, and real performance to go with the look.
Discuss...
04-08-2009, 07:26 PM
#124
Team Owner
thats what it's about making that fatty lippp on some rubber band tiressssssssssss!!!!cheeee as far as performance come on now look at them drifters still killing with that fatttty camber and fattttttttttty lippppp on them rubbbberband tires it all depends on how you like the look or if you dont.
Yes, because drifters have so much in common with a performance street car.
As it was stated already you may get better feel and stiffness, at the expense of absolute traction.
04-08-2009, 07:41 PM
#125
boost owns
I like the aesthetics of staggered wheels and stretched tires on a FWD car, but I would never run it on my own car. I'm in this for both looks and performance, but if I have to pick one or the other, I'll take performance. Different strokes for different folks. I'm running 18x8 +48 with a 235/40 tire on my TSX and couldn't be happier with the setup.
(not even lying)
04-08-2009, 08:24 PM
#129
Burning Brakes
That's not a fair statement at all. My Forged VOLKs are WAY stronger than anything OEM... and MOST wheels are manufactured and certified meeting certain strength standards... know what JWL means?
I said "In most case's" And yes forged wheels can be stronger but are not indestructible usually due to low profile tires. but yes I agree with you but how many people run forged wheels?
Your tires comment makes no sense. How does a tire put more stress on the suspension?
Fat tires absorb more shock from the road. anyone that has ever gone from OEM to low profile 40 series and under tires notice that the ride gets a lot harsher which in-tern transfers more vibration and shock forces to your bushings + other suspension components.
Using cheap inferior products as a saafety issue seems to be the theme, which to that I say... no shit Let's discuss further.
I agree here... I htink it's just asinine to defeat the performance of you lighting component as much as the handling component of the car. Being a motorcyclist as well, I advocate for MORE and BETTER lighting!
Sure, but premature failure of said wear components is just as much of a concern of mine with stock equipment as much as aftermarket. That what preventive maintenence and inspections are for. Frankly, I feel good quality, tested aftermarket suspension components are more reliable than stock, as they're over engineered to be stronger and last longer... hence the premium price.
Its not so much that the parts are not quality, and more that they weren't originally designed for the car, take the rear sway bars for example QUALITY product but still our chassis weren't designed for the extra force and in tern fail.
LOL... If you're driving fast enough to simulateously hit water/hydrolock your engine you've already lost control. You're now "sinking".
You don't have to be going any speed, if you submerge your CAI in water it will stall & sometimes hydro lock your engine.
Concur, I stated this earlier in the thread as well...
and I disagree, so allow to my run my filthy cunt mouth a minute...
Many here feel it's OK to do exactly what you said (make mods that are dangerous in the name of vanity), which again, I agree with you on many points... Doesn't mean I should shut up about it becasue of where we are. In fact, as a member here, I feel I SHOULD be raising these issues in hopes some folks thinking about making said modifications may reconsider.
I've runover a ricers shitty installed spoiler that blew off, I've been blinded by a ricers shitty HID fogs, I've almost hit a ricers due to the "blackout"... I'm just waiting to be side swiped by a ricers blowout due to ill fiting rims and stretched tires.
Mods are fine, they're great. I've got the value of my TL in mods. None of which are safety hazards to others unless something catastrophic fails due to a significant manufacturing defect that was not detected by a competent installer (ME!), or due to lack of maintenence and inspection.
Perhaps you could use a lesson in manners and effective writing. It'll take ya places talking like a derelect sailor won't...
I said "In most case's" And yes forged wheels can be stronger but are not indestructible usually due to low profile tires. but yes I agree with you but how many people run forged wheels?
Your tires comment makes no sense. How does a tire put more stress on the suspension?
Fat tires absorb more shock from the road. anyone that has ever gone from OEM to low profile 40 series and under tires notice that the ride gets a lot harsher which in-tern transfers more vibration and shock forces to your bushings + other suspension components.
Using cheap inferior products as a saafety issue seems to be the theme, which to that I say... no shit Let's discuss further.
I agree here... I htink it's just asinine to defeat the performance of you lighting component as much as the handling component of the car. Being a motorcyclist as well, I advocate for MORE and BETTER lighting!
Sure, but premature failure of said wear components is just as much of a concern of mine with stock equipment as much as aftermarket. That what preventive maintenence and inspections are for. Frankly, I feel good quality, tested aftermarket suspension components are more reliable than stock, as they're over engineered to be stronger and last longer... hence the premium price.
Its not so much that the parts are not quality, and more that they weren't originally designed for the car, take the rear sway bars for example QUALITY product but still our chassis weren't designed for the extra force and in tern fail.
LOL... If you're driving fast enough to simulateously hit water/hydrolock your engine you've already lost control. You're now "sinking".
You don't have to be going any speed, if you submerge your CAI in water it will stall & sometimes hydro lock your engine.
Concur, I stated this earlier in the thread as well...
and I disagree, so allow to my run my filthy cunt mouth a minute...
Many here feel it's OK to do exactly what you said (make mods that are dangerous in the name of vanity), which again, I agree with you on many points... Doesn't mean I should shut up about it becasue of where we are. In fact, as a member here, I feel I SHOULD be raising these issues in hopes some folks thinking about making said modifications may reconsider.
I've runover a ricers shitty installed spoiler that blew off, I've been blinded by a ricers shitty HID fogs, I've almost hit a ricers due to the "blackout"... I'm just waiting to be side swiped by a ricers blowout due to ill fiting rims and stretched tires.
Mods are fine, they're great. I've got the value of my TL in mods. None of which are safety hazards to others unless something catastrophic fails due to a significant manufacturing defect that was not detected by a competent installer (ME!), or due to lack of maintenence and inspection.
Perhaps you could use a lesson in manners and effective writing. It'll take ya places talking like a derelect sailor won't...
Fu(k a sailor Im an internet Alfa douche.... I though chicks were the only one that were offended by the word CUNT.
04-08-2009, 08:50 PM
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For the benefit of the thread and the forum, let's leave the word 'c..t' out of the discussion please. This forum isn't a locker room folks.
04-09-2009, 01:19 PM
#131
Really I don't disagree with you, But modding isnt for the most part SAFE Ideally leaving the car stock is probably your best bet but who the shit wants to do that.
Fu(k a sailor Im an internet Alfa douche.... I though chicks were the only one that were offended by the word CUNT.
Fu(k a sailor Im an internet Alfa douche.... I though chicks were the only one that were offended by the word CUNT.
I rather live with the dangers of driving a modded car versus a stock car. I see many potential of crashing in a stock car than a modded one (if it's modded safely).
04-09-2009, 01:48 PM
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04-09-2009, 03:19 PM
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Kennedy.
You will find that life if much more enjoyable if you just stop bitching about things.
FYI, i'm running a 235/35 on 9.5 TEs. Hopefully my rollcage will save me when my damn inner tire wall detaches from the tread pattern, after the TL flips and travenes into an unforseen object.
Have a nice day!
You will find that life if much more enjoyable if you just stop bitching about things.
FYI, i'm running a 235/35 on 9.5 TEs. Hopefully my rollcage will save me when my damn inner tire wall detaches from the tread pattern, after the TL flips and travenes into an unforseen object.
Have a nice day!
04-09-2009, 04:41 PM
#142
Team Owner
Agreed on the tires. Though the aftermarket RSB makes it more likely for the rear to slide but I prefer that anyway.
04-09-2009, 07:26 PM
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SSM Sport Shifting
even them little corrollas are doin it...
LOL..... hope Im not offending anyone but that does not look good.
Looks like a pimped out car Mini Me would roll in
Dont get me wrong I like the streched tire look. I think it looks incredible.
But I agree with kennedy about the safety issues. Plus I would hate to
curb rash a rim. So I would have to be extra careful if I had rims tires/rims
like that. But I have stockies so whatever.
Its all about what people want. Some people want the big 22's & some want
the 17's & 18's. Whatever you like it all up to you. In the end its your car.
This is a cool thread BTW. Lots of good info.
LOL..... hope Im not offending anyone but that does not look good.
Looks like a pimped out car Mini Me would roll in
Dont get me wrong I like the streched tire look. I think it looks incredible.
But I agree with kennedy about the safety issues. Plus I would hate to
curb rash a rim. So I would have to be extra careful if I had rims tires/rims
like that. But I have stockies so whatever.
Its all about what people want. Some people want the big 22's & some want
the 17's & 18's. Whatever you like it all up to you. In the end its your car.
This is a cool thread BTW. Lots of good info.
06-07-2009, 08:17 PM
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Kennedy (OP),
Its so refreshing to see someone on this site capable of rational thought and the ability to make an argument. REGARDLESS of what side you take on this topic. I happen to agree with you 100% tho. Here's to not ruining otherwise nice cars.
Its so refreshing to see someone on this site capable of rational thought and the ability to make an argument. REGARDLESS of what side you take on this topic. I happen to agree with you 100% tho. Here's to not ruining otherwise nice cars.
06-10-2009, 11:40 AM
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Kennedy-I have to agree with you on this one. It's hard enough to keep from curbing stockies, but to have those? Here in Detroit, that looks like a recipe for disaster. But those that have-keep'em if you lov'em. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla. Just my . I prefer wider tires protecting those $$$ wheels.
Are you guys that are stretching gonna get curb feelers next?
. I prefer wider tires protecting those $$$ wheels. Are you guys that are stretching gonna get curb feelers next?
06-12-2009, 01:46 AM
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