princelybug

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That's the sacrifice people are willing to make for the "VIP" look.

slowaccord

ive had 17's that weigh 13.7 pounds a piece all the way up to rims that weigh 30 pounds a piece.

It really does make that much of a difference. i just picked the smallest wheel that would fit over my rotoras and i got kosei's. if it wasnt for my brakes i would have went 16" or maybe even 15"

But i just got tired of those small rims. to this day i still keep a performance set and a bigger/better looking set on hand

Kennedy

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Nope... just think it's a joke, and a collosol waste of a nice set of lightweight performance rims. Have fun out there.

Ballin, it seems the more extreme you go, the worse your driving is getting. Didn't you run off the road recently? Think there might be a correlation?

Princleybug, I'm feeling ya. That's what I'm talking about.

Kennedy

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I'm not condemning anyone... Sounds like you did your planning and test fitting more than most. Good for you.

I've driven through the same foothills you refer to, from my time in the Marines. Those roads are STRAIGHT and LONG.

I'd not expect you to expereince any understeer issues, but you will in a curvy course with that dramatic of a stagger setup... and I gotta say, those chromies look HEAVY. 295/255 tire are heavy too... Just a valid point.

ballinfizzle89

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lol...No I didn't? Nice try though..


Haha, so you're gonna take a personal stab at me cause I like this look? hahaha

HONgDA

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Some do this to get concaved spokes or bigger lip from a wheel. That can only be possible if you get wide rims and very low offsets. In order to make the wheels fit, stretching the tires or cambering in the wheels like this / \, which i think is more retarded, are your options. It's cool if others do this, but i personally like to keep my wheels behind the fenders. I like to go on spirited drives sometimes and i don't want to risk encountering any problem with my wheels that may lead to an accident.

Kennedy

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Just having fun wildman... You guys are awful sensitive round here these days.

ssmtl2nv

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to each his own, Kennedy dont mean any beef...

ballinfizzle89

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<3

rodneyc77

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I love this conversation...

I for one am a little guilty on the semi stretched tire look in the past... I was building a daily driven show car on springs and I have a LOT of SHOW HARDWARE to prove my point...

Anyway... I'm now building a completely different animal of a TL... Trying to achieve a "VIP Styled" TL... some will hate it and some will love it... at the end of the day... what really matters to me is that I'm happy with what I end up with and it works for me...

This whole HOBBY of modifying our cars is just that... a HOBBY to keep us entertained to our satisfaction... if your trying to please the masses... you're doing something wrong... spend your time and money on something else 'cause you're never going to achieve it...

In conclusion, do what makes you happy and what you feel confortable doing... different strokes for different folks...

You can find me on VIP*StyleCars.com

myron

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that jetta is nice. I love the euro scene with all stretch and poke. All these TL's are daily drivers (most of them) and are not driven hard so the whole performance thing is BS. I mean how much performance and handling do i need to get to work with my car? None, but do I want it to look good, YES.

chill_dog

Not a fan; never was, never will be.

ballinfizzle89

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I hateeeee the overdone crap. Some modest camber, modest stretch, slammed but not uber low=money imo

HONgDA

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Let's see where this fad goes in a couple of years.

jjashaa

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for someone like me.. not really...

tl is weekend car.... don't go through tires like crazy.. hell, you could run camber but just gotta make sure you get that toe to neutral...

work car is my work car... haha

D R E W

Excuse me SIR, but your car is a danger to everyone else too. Tinted headlights?


You know I'm happy with my setup. I'm interested in your setup and I'm pretty sure a lot of others are too. Maybe post a new thread with your setup?

Kennedy

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LOL, called on the tinted headlights... I don't like that either, nor do I think 55W HID retrofit fogs are safe due to the glare they create. Some folks here do a LOT of unsafe shit that pisses me off... it pisses me off because I'm on the road 3 hours a day most days, and I'm exposed to other folks lack of judgement (and that selfish mentality) of those unsafe modifications quite often.

That's said, HOBBY is what it's all about. I come off abrasive cause I call it like I see it, but you guys keep doin your thing. Again, I'm more into the "go" than the "show", and ideally a good look that increases performance is my goal. You guys can do all you want to kill the potential performance of your noted 4 door family sedan in the name of looks, but the safety of the stretch thing still concerns me. Again, I don't care if you guys shoot yourself in the face, but getting your potentially unsafe car out on the road and place other people in danger gets me fired up.

As for my setup...
Very simple. 4 19x8.5 +43 offset (stock is +45) Volk GT-S on Falken 452's 19/35/245. My ligthweight NISMO's are identical in specification.

I'm thinking 17" Gunmetal TE's in the stock offset, but with a 8.5 or 9.5 rim with a 255 tire is where I may land on this.
A key factor often neglected in these wide tire setup is is scrunbradius. WIDE or "aggressive" (as many here call them, which is silly, your car is NOT more aggressive because your wheelbase is wider) offsets create postive scrub radius.

See the pic:


Now wider rims (think centerline of the "wider" rim) creates toe in force all the time, as will as shifts the center of the contact patch away (to the inside edge of the tire) from the optimum position. This means this toe in force is transmitted to the wheel bearing (which is why folks say really wide rims wear them out quicker), and my main concern, the center of rotation of your suspension is offset by the new rims centerline, resulting in a change in the force applied to the contact patch of the tire...resulting ultimately in less grip. Less grip = bad.

Just some more thoughts.

rodneyc77

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This is what's going to happen to a lot of AZine members when I post my Build Thread in a few months...

dumamei

To me, a nice drop, a slight stretch and staggered setup looks great on the TL. I could care less about performance. If I wanted a race car, I would of bought a Vett or Porsche. I went with the setup I have, because it looks good. I dont drive 140 in the TL, so I am sure my setup will be fine and safe.

Bearcat94

I'm probably going to offend someone (sorry in advance), but, IMO, this looks like ass. Too much .... gone too far (regards wheels/tires/slam-factor).




This I agree with. There are a number of TL's on the site that are "moderate" in the drop/camber/stretch which, I agree, looks great.

And it IS a personal choice: Looks, Performance or a balance of the two. Whatever you like, it's good with me. But I'm with Kennedy and PB (and others), and I'll lean toward delivering whatever performance the TL can offer.

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Ramrodthrusterpuppy

^ What happens when this guy hits a bump? I would think this car would ride like a bulldozer with little to no suspension travel.

I'm all for modding, but I guess I just don't get the point of modifying a car way beyond the point of practicality...I mean, ya still gotta drive it!

I hate cars

Poor poor S2000. I bet it handles like ass. I could understand it better when people put 13" Daytons on their slammed Regal/Cutlass/GranPrix. Those cars were for cruising only and they never hinted at performance.

Taking a car like an S2000 and taking away what makes it good (handling) is retarded.

Kennedy

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...and that is the exactly succint point I've been trying to make.

vipTL

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to the above comments about the s2k I figured I'd get responses like that. But it's all personal opinion. That's why we got baskin robins 31 flavors. different strokes for different folks. I personally love that s2k pushing the limits right there!

I hate cars

Looks are an opinion but I bet the handling like ass is dead on.

vipTL

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yea probably does handle like ass LOL, but obviously the owner of the s2k doesn't seem to care about that.


I'll even admit it was way easier to drive when i wasn't slammed on rubber band tires.

TLheaven

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Seems like the older crowd doesn't like this style

Timeless

Stretched tires are dumb. The first time I saw it, I saw it on a VW and said to myself, "wtf, this asshole can't even afford proper sized tires for his knock off rims..." Its only a style thing and defies all laws/principles/drunken rants/ideas of logic. If wheel/tire trends continue as they are going I'm fairly certain the next trend will be square wheels.

Stretched tires are only form over function. But this is something that is common in any industry. Do we really need $400 gucci sunglasses to protect our eyes...?

TLheaven

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Timeless do you really need a $35k car?
People value different things and you should respect other people's decisions....

jjashaa

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man, some people take it really serious...

CSWBiggs

lol at you guys...

stretched tires are total hotness!!...to an extant

i've seen 215/40 17 on a 10" wheel...you could read the sidewalls while staring straight down! hott...

running larger more aggressively offset wheels is merely aesthetics...u know...for ex instead of have the face of the rim rest 1 inch within the wheel arches...and running a 255 tire...which would barely fit within the factory openings...y not run a larger wheel with an offset that will allow the face to sit "frush"...for aesthetics? not to mention...in our examples...235/45 17 on a 17 x 8 +45 wheel...y not run a 18 x 10 +18 wheel in the rear mounting a 245 40 18? guess what it's still streched...it's still wider...and it looks better!!





my car with our track cars wheels
17 x 9.5 + 17 front 235 40 17
18 x 10.0 + 18 rears 245 40 18

low offsets for the win!

-Jason

I hate cars

Don't you have a box to build?

wps007

You must be mistaken if you are stating the foothils are long and straight or the 101 from pismo is not curvy windy course, If you are refering to wheel inertia wieght robbing HP, you are correct that with the 255 /35/ 18 in the front adding a few ounces over stock certainly not as much wieght as Brembo's on a Type S or six speed or any big brake kit.

CG2PROJECT

Figures.

Nick337

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Everyone has a unique taste and that is what makes everyone unique in this world. Some like it, some don't, but in the end, Its got to be you that is happy with it in the end. It looks really good it does, I would not discourage people from doing it because its there choice.

TLheaven

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^^^qft.

I hate cars

I hated that crap when I was 17 and the lowriders were rolling around with stretched tires on Daytons. Nothing to do with age.

slowaccord

those little 13" real deal daytons cost around 3600 with tires. and the tires only make up 300-400 of the total cost

I hate cars

I remember that now that you mention it. A true spoke wheel for a car, kind of interesting. I always got funny looks from that crowd when we ran into each other, me with 12" wide slicks and them with 4" wide low profiles in otherwise identical cars.

HONgDA

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How do you guys feel about skinny jeans? It's a trend.