sunny201

Brief History:
Okay, so Ive had my 20"s for about 2 years now. They have always been sweet. On them, I have 245/35/20 tires. Over the winter, when I had my winter (Type-S) wheels on I dropped the car with Neuspeed Springs. I believe that its a 1.5" Front, and 1.2" rear drop.

Problem:
So I went to put on my 20"s today and they went on fine and looked beautiful, until I started driving that is. They rub like crazy in the rear! I expected them to rub, but not this bad. I guess thats what I get for getting such a thick tire.

Solutions:
This is where I need the help of the professionals here on AZ. What should I do? I took it to a couple places and they said that fender rolling "might" help because the tire is too thick. Most of them said that I should cut the fender. Is that a good idea? If I do that, after I cut it (which I would do with an airsaw) what should I do after it to prevent rusting, paint cracking, etc?

Basically any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
And please I dont need people to tell me to get smaller rims! I dont want any smart comments or get flamed, Im just asking for advice, if you dont have anything good to say, please dont post here! Thanks.

RonJonTL757

I would rummage thru Al's (Stillhere153) Does this officially fit on my car thread. Its stickied so shouldn't be hard to find or just PM him.

Im sorry but i see your Trader rating -2

BLACKURA_NY

iTrader: (6)

need new tires

245/35/20 is TOO big... your speed-o must also be off by a good 5-6mph

sunny201

I know, Ive fucked up. I sent shit a little bit alot too late. shit happens though, and they did get there stuff.. but thanks for putting that out there.

I already talked to Al too, he said to just cut it. I just like to make sure Im doing things right.

sunny201

Thats what I was thinking. Any good size you would recommend? that still has alot of protection too. I usually have a 65 mile commute and this is my daily driver.. it kind of sucks, but I love my TL toooo much.

Maddizm

iTrader: (5)

I got 235/35/20 and irub when I hit big bumps. I've heard 245/30/20 work too

ILLustriousUA6

iTrader: (2)

what offset u have?

sunny201

Im pretty sure that I have a +38 offset

LookLikeTypeS

i have reserched off setts so many times with my tl which is an 08 tl. i have had 20 with 245 35 20 for the longest time, but they were 40 off set which believe it or not make a huge difference from the off set that you have and have had four people in the car and it does not rub at all whats so ever. and yes i know im stock suspention but still that 2 millimeters make a big difference. i thought it was weard that you were rubbing in the back, if anything i would think it would be in the front. at the same time yes i have come to realize that that size tire is a little too big for the car and yes it does throw the speedo off quet a bit.

TRIOD3SIGNS

Pics??

sunny201

When I was stock I never had any problems. Its just that over the winter I lowered it 1.5in and that why it rubs. Well Im cutting my fenders today so hopefully that will solve the problems.

Elegant TYPE S

iTrader: (2)

Post pics.. and the best fix is to redo your tires which allon suggested right at the top. And then consider fender rolling, but if you fix your tires, with a 38 offset I dont see you needing fender rolling. Unless you have like 20x9.5's. Plus with the 35 profile tire your speedo is off too, so might as well fix 2 things in one shot.

After you sell the tires and purchase new tires, I can't imagine the fix being that expensive. And pics would help with full specs on the wheel.

rodneyc77

iTrader: (1)

Verify what is your ACTUAL offset of your wheel... Diameter-Width and offset of each front and rear wheel...

Have you gotten an ALIGNMENT??? if so what are your specifications...

Where are you rubbing...??? if so what part of the fender/quarter panel??? Do you have your rear ASPEC lip trimmed???

245/35/20 isn't that big... I've run them with no rubbing... Shit I've run a 255/30/20 with no rubbing... I have friends with 275/30/20 on a TL with absolutely NO RUBBING!!!

the solution isn't changing the tires... cause the width on a 245/35/20 and 245/30/20 is equal...

Answer those questions and I'll give you a solution...

TSXinity

iTrader: (2)

I'm in the same boat as you. I got 20x8.5 with +35 offset. Right now I have been running 255/35/r20 all around for the past month and rub when I go over dips, bumps, or slopes. It rubs bad so I have to go 5-10 mph under speed limit when the roads are bad. This is with stock suspension.

Anyways I am going to order 245/30/R20 tires since my new suspension came in this week. I will lower it 1.5 F and 1.4 R.

If you want protection, go with 235/35/20 all around, but if you can drive and look out for potholes, go with 245/30/20 all around so you can rotate your tires.

sunny201

The wheels are 20x8.5. I looked on the back of the rims and it looks like its stamped either +38 or +68, but Im pretty sure they are +38.

I got a wheel alignment and everything was in the green.. The camber was at 0.4

My rear tires are rubbing against the top part of the outside fender. And Im probably the only modded TL without an Aspec kit

Im dropped on Neuspeed Spring and Type-S struts. If your going to the meet Sunday maybe you can check it out.

EVOLICARUS

i dunno, i rub alot also. I'm running 235/35/20s all around. i thought about switching out the tires to a 235/30 series, but if that doesn't fix it, then i'm out that money also.
to be honest, the only real solution is to sell what you have now, and go down to 19s. that what i'm probably going to end up doing.

Maddizm

iTrader: (5)

^ Evo... where are you rubbing? I run the same tires. I parked my car 'mid-ramp' on an incline I'm known to rub on. I'm tucked, so I'm rubbing the fender lining?. I have no idea. I have Teins, so I guess I have to raise my car a little.

EVOLICARUS

i'm rubbing up front some, its starting to slice the tire a little. and in back its taking off the inner upper part of the aspec rear lip. i'm lowered 1.5 up front and 1 inch in back. i thought about raising my car up .25 up front also, but with konis, you have to take out the strut

sunny201

Well I just cut the fenders and neg cambered the wheels for a temp fix so I can make it to this meet. Hopefully Ill see what my options are and talk to people there because theres gonna be a whole bunch of people there that know all this stuff. Then they can see it first hand. This is what it looks like now though. Need to polish the Greddys

Fulani has a TL

iTrader: (1)

Just throw some 225/30/20s on there, and run some neg. camber. Call it a day and walk away. Jus be careful driving

rodneyc77

iTrader: (1)

I say you add a rear camber kit, roll your fenders and set your camber to spec at least -1.5 degrees... -0.4 is too high for the rear... minimum for good handling is -1.0 in the rear...

sunny201

I have a rear camber kit and had it aligned saturday. The rear driver side is at -1.4, and the rear pass is at -2.0. The weird thing is, the pass side still rubs over big bumps, but the driver side doesnt.

EVOLICARUS

that is how mine is too, pass side+rubbing=sliced tire.. drivers side no rub

rodneyc77

iTrader: (1)

That's how most TLS are... All you need now is a Fender Roll and you are good to go...

EVOLICARUS

^^stole your pic and pointed out what the culprit is on my car, this little piece of fender is bulging out a little and is sharp on the inner edge which is slicing the tire.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

could this be because of weight of driver lower car on driver side a little bringing camber more negative while driving. the passenger side not affected and rubs? Not sure. GL with this!

Maddizm

iTrader: (5)

Oh shit... I have the exact same thing. But I don't rub that spot anymore. Ha... that's the exact spot.

Fulani has a TL

iTrader: (1)

I had the same issue too. What I did was kinda ghetto but it got the job done, take some channel locks and a 1x4 or 1x2 and a heat gun, warm the paint up, place the board on the outside and take the channel locks to bend that part in...

If you dont heat it up enough then the paint will crack and chip.

EVOLICARUS

^^i actually heated it up also today, and used a big ass hammer and rolled it back flat. hopefully that helps.. on my car that piece was really bulging out alot. i have no idea if was like that before or the tires pushed it out when it would hit the inner underside fender.

Fulani has a TL

iTrader: (1)

It was cuz your tire hit it and it pushed out. But at least u got it fixed though....

TSXinity

iTrader: (2)

sunny, how did you get your rears to sit so low? I'm on 20 x 8.5 +35 offset. Dropped on H&R sport with tokico blues and the front sits perfect, but my rear is two finger gap (two fingers on top of each other). I'm running 245/30/20 all around and NO rubbing, but I want to run 245/35/20 in the rear to reduce the 2 finger gap to 1. But I do'nt see how u are rubbing in the rear. I think I WON'T rub with the 245/35/20 in the rear....and I thought stiffer springs would prevent the top fender from going down too low to hit the tires...

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

I've got 245/35/20 all around and I don't rub whatsoever...not even close

TSXinity

iTrader: (2)

What are you dropped on and how much? Plus wats your offset? I can see 245/35/20 wouldn't really rub in the rear...but I was afraid it will rub in the front because the front is dropped alot........and putting 245/35 up front will be close to rim line, hence prob gonna rub.

sunny201

Its bc I have a heavy ass system in the trunk and that weighs it down alot.

BTW my car doesnt rub anymore

sunny201

Maybe cuz ur not dropped? well according to ur siggy ur not

Maddizm

iTrader: (5)

How'd you fix it? Oh... I see above camber kit.. what about the right(?) side was it? You said you still rub over big bumps?

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

Hahahahaha very true. My apologies. I read the title and kinda skipped over the "drop" part. I'm such a scrub.

sunny201

I still do rub over big bumps but when I get my fenders rolled it should be fine. For temporary I just negative cambered the wheels, but I dont drive it too much since I got my cbr600rr :-D
Over the summer, when I get time bc school will be out, Ill probably hit up rodney to roll the fenders all the way. I heard hes really good with it and I know enigmaos got his done from him and no complaints. Rodney always knows his stuff.

Trew

iTrader: (1)

245/30/20 is the correct +3 size for our cars. Your tires are 12mm taller than they should be. The right thing to do is change the tires to the correct size... or you can just jump through hoops by rolling fenders, installing camber kits, etc. Your choice.