WHY IS ACURA NOT RECALLING THE TIRES YET.AND WHAT'S UP WITH THE FALLING ROOFS IN THE TL:AND WHERE IS IT COMING OFF. :rocketwho

 

Since these are not considered safety issues, Acura does not have to recall, but they have issued a TSB for the dealers on the tires. Next will be the headliner.

The good news I had on my car was that the headliner was never an issue in 5 months.

 

My tires are fine and so are most other owners, that's why. The real question is why haven't they issued a recall on the seat memory module. I just had mine replaced and I've heard from no one that has a car who's original module doesn't experience alzheimers. By the way, I have a <500 vin number. My tires are good!

Greg

 

My headliner's fine too- 6 months of ownership

 

I think I will remove my head liner and the glove box mabey just then the car will stop squeaking and creaking, oh I guess I would have to remove my drivers door to stop the wind noise and the window sqeaking

 

Tires could be checked out if they have issues. http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75525

 

Cause they dont recall anything...tranny problems going on for how long and no recall, now the tire issue.....i wouldnt hold my breath on a recall.....and yeah, the tires are def. not a safety issue. The tranny issue maybe, but def not the tires.......

 

Ever see "Fight Club?"

Acura will probably never issue a recall on those problems. TSBs are all you'll ever see. Just as an example: Have a 02 SMG M3 that were known to have rod clearance problems. A good number of engine were blowing. Going about 90 mph, when, BAM!!! Engine blew, oil all over the place. Had to act quick to keep the car from spinning out because of the giant oil slick I was leaving on the road. Many M3 owners were complaining not only about the blown engine but the safety issue with blowing the engine. Publicly, BMW said nothing. But they did replace the engine, no questions asked. Recalls are bad for business.

 

I have an '04 TL SSM A/T and have never had any problem with the seat memory module.

 

Most problems with memory seats are because the user has not put the car into park before setting a memory, or has tried to push 1 or 2 while driving or not in park mode... OR doesn't realize that the KEY you use will tell the car which seat setting to use... for instance if you set "1" to be how you like and plan to use 1 but are in fact using the "Driver 2" key it will change it to setting 2 on you because it's being "smart"

 

You can set the memory anytime the key is in the ignition and is in the run position. The engine does not have to be running, though, and the gearshift lever can be in any position.

To select a memorized position, as you said, you must be in the park mode for 5AT, but with a 6MT the parking brake must be set.

 

Whats wrong with the tires?

 

I'm not sure there's a TRUE defect in the tires (EL42's) like there was with the ford explorer tires. It's just that the general consenus is that these tires SUCK so bad, they could pull a sleeve of titleist through 150 feet of Lowe's finest garden hose. Now, if these tires were on an Accord / Altima / Focus / Mazda 3 etc they might be great, but the consensus is the tires seem to be a weak link in the cars performance. Our car is an entry level sport sedan and marketed that way. The EL42's do not deliver the level of peformance one expects from the car.

Here is what you can do. Complain to the dealer (this is usually no help, BUT do not skip this step), Call Bridgestone and open up a consumer complaint (they may ask if you have discussed this with the dealer). Bridgestone will probably want you to take them to a Firestone shop for examination. Once done the manager will probably need to contact his area rep.

I wound up getting a decent credit, and they hooked me up 4 FUZION ZRi (a privite label potenza). The handling difference was incredible, so much so that when I moved up to 18"s I went back and still used the FUZION tires. IMHO they deliver a great bang for the buck.

 

BTW I see (after I posted) that you are in MA. I used to live there, been in Phoenix for years. That tidbit of info is important because the FUZION ZRi's as well as most other ultra high perfomance tires are sold with the warning: NEVER TO BE DRIVEN IN SNOW. Not a problem for me here in phoenix.

 

Check the posting dates on those old threads, then go back to that time period in the forum and you will learn all you need to know about this.

 

I know they are crappy performance tires, but there is nothing like the firestone thing going on, is there?

 

No, all TL tires are safe. It's a quality issue not a safety one.

For what it's worth I recently got my 05 TL auto, WDP and it has michelins on it which from waht I hear are pretty good. So maybe they are done with bridgestones for good?

 

TL comes with Michelins if you get navigation, comes with EL42s if you don't.

And my Accord V6 has EL41s on them and they are the weakest link... they do everything BUT grip.

 

I've had my car since January 2004. All the problems people say they have, has not yet happened to me (knock on wood). The only thing I dislike about my TL is the tire issue ever since I've lowered the car with comptech springs. I've had to buy new tires once a year because of that. The other thing is I had to replace my clutch master cylinder because it was squeaking. Being that my car is lowered, my car doesn't squeak one bit. I've enjoyed my car ever since i've bought the thing. I've had the car for so long, and I think its time for something new. I need an intake, or an exhaust. I'm starting to get bored of the damn thing. So in conclusion I've decided to get a CBR 600rr ;P.

 

I've had my 04 TL since 04/04. I have no complaint with my tires, headliner, rattles, or the other oft-heard complaints from a small minority of TL owners.

It is a trouble-free, comfortable, and quick ride. I am still finding new bells and whistles that I didn't know about before.

Of course, if you are one of the ppl that had a problem, you don't care that you might be one in ten thousand. It's still a problem for you.

Previous posters have said correctly that recalls are only done for safety-related issues.

TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins), on the other hand, are advisories to the dealer's service departments which give them the authority to fix a certain issue, when and IF an owner complains about it. Not all owners have the issue.

The dealer might notice that you have a problem with the material on your driver's seat. But they are not about to fix it unless you call it to their attention.

That's my experience, anyway.

 

Took my '04 with 13,000 km (7,800 mi) in for regular servicing yesterday and they replaced my Potenzas with 4 new Michelins without my even making an issue of the Potenzas. The front tires were already wearing badly on the outside edges and the dealer was not happy with it so they offered to either replace with the Michelin MXM4s or re-order the Potenzas. I decided to sacrifice the 'high-performance' ride for something a little more comfortable that would also give me more tread wear.

Oh.........and they also fixed my squeeky Brembo brakes and sagging headliner. All at no cost.

PS Noticed an '05 RL and it had the same Michelins on it.

 

Well its good that they did that but they did it because they are aware of all the crap issues. Too bad they did not give you your choice of rubber since the MxM4s are ok but not fantastic in snow..

 

Just curious, is there really a TSB out there for the tires? I see Ret's post with the thread detailing all the other TSB's but the tire vibration issue doesn't have a TSB #.

 

When they service advisor at the local dealership tells me they average 2 3g TL's a week with rattle problems, it's not a small minority.

With that said, 5 months, rattles in every location that they come, headliner falling, and trunk misalignment has caused chipping. (All things acura is not even arguing with me about taking care of)

 

My Service Mgr. replaced my original tires after 18K Miles. No charge, I guess becasue of the TSB. I use Nokian WR's in the winter.

 

I beg to differ on the these tires not being a safety issue.... Go on tirerack.com and see for yourself.... Many, many TL owners can't stand them, including myself!They are an issue in rain and snow, not to mention they flat spot and vibrate all over the place! I had them taken off as soon as possible and put Michelin Sports on the car...

Valgirl

 

[QUOTE=valentinegirl40]I beg to differ on the these tires not being a safety issue.... Go on tirerack.com and see for yourself.... Many, many TL owners can't stand them, QUOTE]


There's an huge difference between a "safety issue" and something the car owner can't stand. Pinto exploding gas tank, explorer firestone tires are safety issues. The EL42's (of which no one has reported blowouts), SUCK beyond comprehension. Then again, have you lookked at the leather seats (I've never seen a cow with hide this thin). The TL is a nice entry level sports luxuary sedan. It appears that ACURA enlisted the help of many a cost accountant in order to get the price of the car to where it is (less than a Lexus or BMW). In order to get us into these cars at the given price, they cut back, on the seats, tires, not enough power to the sound system, suspension (try A-Spec suspension with a CT RSB and you can get an idea of how this car shuold handle) , all these little corners that add up to large savings for ACURA.


On a side note: If anyone experiances issues with the EL42's, complain to ACURA, then to bridgstone. Bridgestone gave me a credit, which I used towards 4 Fuzion ZRi (OEM potenza). The handling of the car improved dramaticlly.