What do i do when my Valeo wipers scratch my window?!?!?!?!
Originally Posted by MR1
blkaspec -
You certainly have more than your fair share of wiper problems. I would think you lived in Washington State or Oregon where it rains a lot. I'm not accusing you or anything but you must admit that it is somewhat strange.
You certainly have more than your fair share of wiper problems. I would think you lived in Washington State or Oregon where it rains a lot. I'm not accusing you or anything but you must admit that it is somewhat strange.
i know, tell me about it!!! it was all good until i decided to spend some $$ on wipers. i think this will make me switch back to stock. at least this way if they cause any damage maybe i can get the dealer to fix it.
Originally Posted by TeknoKing
AND POST PICS ALREADY

i know, i was expecting this sooner
not till tomorrow though, i have my camera, but i dont have the wipers. i am spending the night at my lady's house tonight and she is a 50 min trip from my house...
but maybe i can find some pics of the blades, and then just point out what came off.
Originally Posted by Tripnbeats
its not outlandish go apply it once to ur windshield now and leave it there the whole summer.....lets see how much u bitch and complain about it when u cant see because of some reason u cant figure out..."Ive changed my wipers 3000 times in the past 5 months but still nothing works" and then u get another windshield and bitch after u put that shit on it and it ruins it again its like taking leather soaking it in oil and letting it bake in the sun...... lets see what "magically" happens. outlandish? i think not ive had a lot of experience with all this crap and will take a stand on what works and what fucks up the car.....especially since this is my 4th tl i feel pretty comfortable shitting on some products that dont do the car justice or any car for that matter. have u seen what alcohol does to a window when its applied? even if it cuts through it i still wouldnt put it on.
Im throwing my hands up because I KNOW Im right and ive been there done that.....so im not gonna sit here, read this thread and waste my time trying to convince someone on doing right... no matter what, people do what they want so im not bothering with it... if u wana take the advice do it if not go get a new window and have a nice day.
Im throwing my hands up because I KNOW Im right and ive been there done that.....so im not gonna sit here, read this thread and waste my time trying to convince someone on doing right... no matter what, people do what they want so im not bothering with it... if u wana take the advice do it if not go get a new window and have a nice day.
I know what alcohol does to glass, it cleans it! It's in just about any glass cleaner you can buy. I don't know what you think is going to happen but it's not going to do any harm at all. Shit, you could poor it all over the car if you wanted and it's not going to do anything but strip the wax off.
I'm not saying Rain-X is greatest product of its kind but there's just no way it could be responsible for ruining your windshield. It just sits on the surface and is fairly easy to remove. The reason it makes your windows fog up more is because the valence of the molecules which are evenly distributed across the surface of the glass screws with the surface tension of the water. The water ends up being in much smaller droplets than it otherwise would and as a result scatter a lot more light. Sometimes you can even see rainbows on your windshield.
You're talking a bunch of shit that you don't know about as if it was gospel truth. It would be irresponsible of me to let it slide without comment.
ok, so this is the best i can do for now.


the black plastic part at the very ends is the part that broke/fell/blew off. and when the wipers are going and the blade is slanted down to clear away the water, the metal strips that are now expose will make slight contact with the glass.
but like i said, i will get my pics up tomorrow night. more updates to follow...
thanks again for everyone who has helped!


the black plastic part at the very ends is the part that broke/fell/blew off. and when the wipers are going and the blade is slanted down to clear away the water, the metal strips that are now expose will make slight contact with the glass.
but like i said, i will get my pics up tomorrow night. more updates to follow...
thanks again for everyone who has helped!
Originally Posted by blkaspec
you are the old man, so why dont you act your age and share some of that great wisdom of yours.
Damn... I was thinking in the back of my head that I just bought some sweet Bosch Icon blades for my truck, and I may be getting a pair for the TL too.
Then I saw your picture, and realized same blades, different name.
I'm gonna check to make sure they glued my shit together the first time...lol
Oh.. and not to jump in the middle of the fire - I've used rain-X on all of my vehicles since I have been driving, and I swear by it. I'm not sure how in the heck you guys put rain-X on, but I can say it isn't going to magically ruin your windows so you cant see out of them. The trick is putting it on, and wiping it off (and not leaving it all streaky and filmy on the window). I can also say alcohol ON THE OUTSIDE of the window will do nothing but make it shiney. Now some cars have the poli-film on the inside of the glass for safety, and that I cannot vouch for. But as for the outside of the windshield - it's glass.
Just to reiterate (sort of a disclaimer): This was just my
. Take it or leave it, but I'm not here to argue. I make the decision to be right only when it counts, and this thread isn't the time.
Good luck on the blades - keep us posted
Then I saw your picture, and realized same blades, different name.
I'm gonna check to make sure they glued my shit together the first time...lol
Oh.. and not to jump in the middle of the fire - I've used rain-X on all of my vehicles since I have been driving, and I swear by it. I'm not sure how in the heck you guys put rain-X on, but I can say it isn't going to magically ruin your windows so you cant see out of them. The trick is putting it on, and wiping it off (and not leaving it all streaky and filmy on the window). I can also say alcohol ON THE OUTSIDE of the window will do nothing but make it shiney. Now some cars have the poli-film on the inside of the glass for safety, and that I cannot vouch for. But as for the outside of the windshield - it's glass.
Just to reiterate (sort of a disclaimer): This was just my
. Take it or leave it, but I'm not here to argue. I make the decision to be right only when it counts, and this thread isn't the time.Good luck on the blades - keep us posted
Originally Posted by LukeaTron
Manufactures defect is still the liability of the company that produced it. What could he have done that would make this his fault? I don't see any indication that he was using the wipers to clear cement from the windshield for instance.
Saying it's his problem because a product failed under normal usage conditions in such a manner as to damage his property is outright absurd. If you sell a product it should not be expected to fail in such a way. If a wheel snapped off your car and barreled through a crowded sidewalk, would you say it's the drivers fault?
Come on, your position is absurd. I'm all for personal accountability but what could he have done to avoid this?
Saying it's his problem because a product failed under normal usage conditions in such a manner as to damage his property is outright absurd. If you sell a product it should not be expected to fail in such a way. If a wheel snapped off your car and barreled through a crowded sidewalk, would you say it's the drivers fault?
Come on, your position is absurd. I'm all for personal accountability but what could he have done to avoid this?
As for your example, I wouldn't say it's the drivers fault, but I wouldn't say anyone hit, or the driver, should sue the manufacturer, either. If the car's under warranty, that covers it; if not, it's your expense.
Originally Posted by Tripnbeats
its not outlandish go apply it once to ur windshield now and leave it there the whole summer.....lets see how much u bitch and complain about it when u cant see because of some reason u cant figure out..."Ive changed my wipers 3000 times in the past 5 months but still nothing works" and then u get another windshield and bitch after u put that shit on it and it ruins it again its like taking leather soaking it in oil and letting it bake in the sun...... lets see what "magically" happens. outlandish? i think not ive had a lot of experience with all this crap and will take a stand on what works and what fucks up the car.....especially since this is my 4th tl i feel pretty comfortable shitting on some products that dont do the car justice or any car for that matter. have u seen what alcohol does to a window when its applied? even if it cuts through it i still wouldnt put it on.
Im throwing my hands up because I KNOW Im right and ive been there done that.....so im not gonna sit here, read this thread and waste my time trying to convince someone on doing right... no matter what, people do what they want so im not bothering with it... if u wana take the advice do it if not go get a new window and have a nice day.
Im throwing my hands up because I KNOW Im right and ive been there done that.....so im not gonna sit here, read this thread and waste my time trying to convince someone on doing right... no matter what, people do what they want so im not bothering with it... if u wana take the advice do it if not go get a new window and have a nice day.
The warranty certainly would not cover the liability to any injured parties. That's utterly and totally absurd. Assuming it was purely a mechanical failure, how could it possibly be the driver's fault? The manufacturer would absolutely be liable for the damages.
So basically, on a lack of information you are making the assumption that he was somehow negligent in their upkeep. I don't see anything to suggest that's a likely scenario. Either way, you're arguing pretty fiercely on an assumption when if that assumption were to be incorrect, your argument would be moot. If you want to call him out on the upkeep part, fine, but to go on to attack him on the basis of your assumption is unwarranted.
So basically, on a lack of information you are making the assumption that he was somehow negligent in their upkeep. I don't see anything to suggest that's a likely scenario. Either way, you're arguing pretty fiercely on an assumption when if that assumption were to be incorrect, your argument would be moot. If you want to call him out on the upkeep part, fine, but to go on to attack him on the basis of your assumption is unwarranted.
Originally Posted by Tripnbeats
i know what ur saying but id prefer not to use it. reapplying it doesnt make it any better on the wipers. they are not meant to have any of that additive on them.
Originally Posted by LukeaTron
The warranty certainly would not cover the liability to any injured parties. That's utterly and totally absurd. Assuming it was purely a mechanical failure, how could it possibly be the driver's fault? The manufacturer would absolutely be liable for the damages.
Sorry, your post was ambiguous in that regard, particularly given that was the main point we are discussing.
Regarding the warranty coverage, no because that falls outside the expectation of fitness, which is made pretty explicit by the terms of the warranty. A reasonable person could conclude that barring influences outside of the uses the product was designed and marketed for (in this case, driving around on paved roads) a failure of this nature should not be something the customer should expect.
When you buy a product, in this case, wiper blades, it is implied that they should do the job they are designed and marketed to do. That is clearing the windshield of water and other foreign material. It is also implied that they won't damage your car (of course with the exception of misuse). If you were unable to make this assumption, buying anything would a perilous adventure. Imagine if the purveyor of every product were forced to spell out explicitly every single expectation you are should hold for that product. Commerce would grind to halt.
With the assumption that the OP didn't do something that would explicitly lead to the failure of the blade, he should have the full expectation that those blades would not tear up his windshield. Again, arguing that assumption is pointless.
Regarding the warranty coverage, no because that falls outside the expectation of fitness, which is made pretty explicit by the terms of the warranty. A reasonable person could conclude that barring influences outside of the uses the product was designed and marketed for (in this case, driving around on paved roads) a failure of this nature should not be something the customer should expect.
When you buy a product, in this case, wiper blades, it is implied that they should do the job they are designed and marketed to do. That is clearing the windshield of water and other foreign material. It is also implied that they won't damage your car (of course with the exception of misuse). If you were unable to make this assumption, buying anything would a perilous adventure. Imagine if the purveyor of every product were forced to spell out explicitly every single expectation you are should hold for that product. Commerce would grind to halt.
With the assumption that the OP didn't do something that would explicitly lead to the failure of the blade, he should have the full expectation that those blades would not tear up his windshield. Again, arguing that assumption is pointless.
Just go back to your stock wipers, and buy the inserts when they wear out. I usually replace mine once a year, and have just started using this 303 wiper cleaning product with every few washes, I'll post back in the long term to properly evaluate it. So far it seems like it makes the wipers glide better. I also put Zaino on my windshield and it works really well in the driving rain.
off topic, but....
I have Icons installed on my other car, I thought they looked cool....until I saw the wipers on the 09 TSX, they looked way cooler. So if anyone is looking to replace their wipers, consider the wipers from the 09 TSX. Hope they are the same length as the TLs....
I have Icons installed on my other car, I thought they looked cool....until I saw the wipers on the 09 TSX, they looked way cooler. So if anyone is looking to replace their wipers, consider the wipers from the 09 TSX. Hope they are the same length as the TLs....
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