Bearcat94

Infiniti G35 Sport 60 – 0 = 120 ft
Lexus IS350 60 – 0 = 126 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).


Infiniti G35 Sport 80 – 0 = 219 ft (best in class)
Lexus IS350 80 – 0 = 208 ft (barely average)
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).


http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...car_dp.pdf.pdf

Bearcat94

Nissan Sentra?




Wrong Market Segment & Wrong Performance Segment.

Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 60 – 0 = 134 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).


Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 80 – 0 = 246 ft
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).


134 FEET and 246 FEET!! Holy Crap. Do you realize how pathetically fucking bad that is?

Bearcat94

Wrong Market Segment & Wrong Performance Segment

Subaru WRX Sti 60 – 0 = 116 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft. (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).


Similar Straight Line and Slalom Performance:

Subaru Impreza WRX 60 – 0 = 124 ft.
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).

Subaru Impreza WRX 80 – 0 = 227 ft
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).


Subaru Impreza WRX Swept Area per Ton = 256 sq. in.
Acura TL-S Swept Area per Ton = 273 sq. in.

Bearcat94

(Still laughing at the Sentra )


Nissan Altima 3.5 SE (same brakes, ~240 pounds heavier, but still 400 pounds lighter than the TL-S) 60 – 0 = 134 ft.

Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).

Bearcat94

VW Jetta GLi 70 – 0 = 169 ft.
Acura 6MT 70 – 0 = 160 ft (and it weighs ~350 pounds more than the VW)

“…. Acura TLs equipped with the manual six-speed also get beautiful Brembo four-piston front-brake calipers, and these contributed to the shortest stopping distance of the pack—160 feet from 70 mph, with a firm pedal feel that garnered a second-highest rating on the chart. Still, one of the logbook entries accused the brakes of feeling weak during high-spirited driving. There's just no satisfying some of our editors.”

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...-acura-tl.html

(Coincidence? Or could it be? Our very own LE1 a C&D editor? )

Bearcat94

Well, let’s “hide” in front of some data then.


60 – 0 Emergency Stopping is OUT-FUCKING-STANDING compared to a WIDE VARIETY of modern sports sedans, regardless of market segment.

Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft

EXCEPT for the BMW 330i, that’s best out of 25 cars with similar straight line performance.

Make & Model…………………........ 60 - 0
BMW 330i………………………......... 116
Acura TL-S…………………......… 117
BMW 335i………………………......... 119
Infinity G35 Sport……………....…. 120
Volkswagon GTI………………....... 120
Mazda MazdaSpeed6………….... 121
Audi A4 2.0T Quattro…………..... 122
BMW 545i………………………......... 121
Mini Cooper S…………………........ 122
Volvo S80 V8 AWD……………...... 123
Lexus GS430………………….......… 126
BMW 325xi……………………........… 123
Subaru Impreza WRX………….... 124
Lexus IS250 AWD……………....… 125
Lexus IS350……………………........ 126
Acura RL…………………….........…… 126
Subaru Legacy 2.5GT spec.B… 126
Infinity G35x……………………........ 127
Toyota Camry SE V6…………...... 127
Lexus IS350……………………........ 128
Mercedes-Benz E350 Sport….. 129
Volvo S40 T5 AWD……………...... 130
Dodge Charger R/T……………..... 132
Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport….. 135
Lexus LS460……………………....... 143


But wait, that’s not all. Against the same group of cars, the TL is WELL INSIDE the top 1/3 in stopping distances from 80 – 0 and at 214 ft SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN AVERAGE.

Make & Model…........……………… 80 - 0
Mazda MazdaSpeed6………...... 207
Infinity G35 Sport……………....... 208
BMW 330i…………………….........… 209
BMW 335i…………………….........… 210
Volkswagon GTI…………......……. 210
Audi A4 2.0T Quattro…………..... 210
Acura TL-S…………...…........... 214
BMW 545i………………….........…… 214
Volvo S80 V8 AWD…………......… 216
Mini Cooper S…………………........ 217
Lexus GS430…………………......... 219
Lexus IS350…………………........… 219
Infinity G35x…………………........… 222
Lexus IS350………………........…… 222
Toyota Camry SE V6…………...... 223
BMW 325xi…………………….......... 224
Lexus IS250 AWD…………......…. 224
Acura RL………………………........... 224
Subaru Legacy 2.5GT spec.B... 225
Mercedes-Benz E350 Sport….. 226
Volvo S40 T5 AWD…………......… 226
Subaru Impreza WRX………...... 227
Dodge Charger R/T…………....... 240
Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport….. 241
Lexus LS460…………………...........251


I’ve read that some of these cars even have Bigger Rotors than the TL. :gasp:

Ahh, here it is:


Yet the TL-S stops better. How do you explain that?


You’re hostility toward the TL can only be explained by a lack of objectivity and personal honesty.

Bearcat94

Summarily, your Big Rotor Theory seems flawed when using test data to look at Real World Emergency Stopping Distances.

You gettin’ the message yet?

Bearcat94

QUOTE=harddrivin1le]Anyone who has even driven a car with real brakes and applied them hard at real speeds (e.g. 120 MPH) [/QUOTE]

Who says that? Where is the data?



And who drives that way? Maniacs and Nuisance Drivers, that’s who.

Excluding your fruitless pad break-in(s), how many times have you stopped from more than 80 to 0 repeatedly since you've owned your TL-S?

How many people do you know that have?



Of the ~80,000 TL/TL-S sold per year a very, very small number of those cars require the "performance" you desire so much, but will probably never use.

Even you admit that the brakes serve their intended purpose for the VAST MAJORITY of drivers.


The way people REALLY brake from speed is encompassed by the 60 – 0, 70 – 0 and 80 – 0 tests.

I'm a walking fucking encylopedia and could do this ALL NIGHT LONG.


No need to thank me. I’ve posted those results. They speak for themselves.

BlacuraTL-S

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soooooooooooo...

Mr. Encyclopedia...

would the RL rotors fit the tl-s? my guess is no...

Bearcat94

PM Sent. :wink:

elkayem

I will take it to the shop tommorow.

I have taken the wheel off but I can't seem to find the problem.

Does anyone know if I can get some nice slotted rotors for the TL-S and what size should I get?

Bearcat94

Check here: https://acurazine.com/forums/sponsored-sales-group-buys-10/rotora-slotted-drilled-slotted-rotors-special-cl-tl-tsx-324531/

Excelelrate Group Rotora buy. These look great. Some debate on whether slotted and/or drilled is better for performance.

Also Mr. Heeltoe another vendor - StopTech and/or Racing Brake, IIRC.

Here's a slotted disc on a 3G:

harddrivin1le

Any future "comments" you may about this thread can be posted here instead:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...87#post1862787

I'm not going to deal with two different threads.

Honda can machine rotor blanks anyway they choose, so the fact that the bolt pattern is different is moot.

Some rotors are two piece (aluminum section). These look like they could be, although I haven't had them off to check. In that case, the discs themselves would fit, although the center sections would have different bolt patterns.

Either way, the TL-S would be a better car if it had 12.6" F and 12.2" R brakes.

juruki

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Harddrivin1le

I just installed my Hawk ceramic street performance break pads on my 07 TL-S and the fit was perfect. The pads were listed for the 04-06 MT TL.

Thx to all the vendors in AZ for good service, good prices and fast shipping!!!

S power

Yeah? So whats the deal? Did it improve as far as noise, croaking sound?

harddrivin1le

I never once stated that '04 - '06 pads definitely would not fit the TL-S. I merely pointed out that there was no evidence that they would fit and that the different Acura PNs (for the calipers and the pads) suggested that they may not.

I was therefore unwilling to spend my money on pads without being certain they'd fit. Now I know they will fit.

Why did you replace your stock pads?

Are the new pads "better?" If so, how?

Bearcat94

Sorry bra, but don't be mad at me. You're the one who has a problem.


All I said is:

- I've got three cars in the driveway right now, including an '07 TL-S (fact);
- I can make all three "groan" at will coming to a stop or starting from a stop (fact);
- They don't "groan" when *I* drive in *my* normal way (fact);
- And finally, that IF my "groan" and your "groan" are the same then the difference is driving/braking style (a logical conclusion if the assumption is true).


I made it ESPECIALLY clear that my "groan" and your "groan" may not be the same thing - maybe you missed it.


I just did a little experiment to see if a different driving/braking style could recreate the sound in multiple cars. It did. I'm satisfied with the result and the logical conclusion.



I think this post from 2004 is applcable:

GLowrdr

Not that I really want to weasel my way into the middle of all of this - but I'm having a problem that I think this thread can answer - but it appears that this thread got wayyyy off course. Any chance to bring it back long enough to help a fellow AZiner?

I have experience the "chatter" when I let up on my brakes just barely enough to allow the car to creep forward (like when I'm in a drive through trying to make the noise... boredom).

My issue isn't that "chatter" or "groan" as I think you all may be referring to. My issue is my brakes squeeling to high heaven just before i come to a stop, and for a split second or so after I start going again. When I say squeeling - it's different then the normal wear bar noise that I've been accustomed to in previous vehicles. This reminds me of when you have a bike with caliper-style brakes (no back peddlers...lol) - get the rims when and try to stop. You can hear that from a mile away. That or when you get a big semi stopping next to you and it lets out a horrendous groan.

That's my car. Pretty sweet huh? Apparently the chicks dig it because they are all looking at me when I go by.

I'm going to look into the pads tonight just to ensure or eliminate a potential pad situation. I'm almost a little worried though that I may have a sticky caliper causing my pad to glaze (thus the noise after I let up on my brakes as well)

So - what's your thoughts on my wheeling whoas?

donc

I don't see harddrivin1le because I banned him.

harddrivin1le

The service manager AND a tech heard the brake noise my car makes.

The said it is "DEFINITELY NOT NORMAL." Who am I going to believe - them or you?

GLowrdr

So apparently this was not the thread to get any help. Tsk Tsk guys.

But - either way, I have an update for anyone that cares. I pulled the tires and checked the brakes. Drivers side rear caliper is either frozen or sticking really badly. The outside of the rotor looks fine, but the inside is completely rusted over, and there are "cracks" of the turned serface showing through.

Called the dealer - but looks like I need to wait until Monday to get the shop to do anything about it. Looks like no money will be coming out of my pocket for this brake job afterall.

Next time around, I think I'll go for new performance pads and rotors all around. Now I'm just looking for a cheap fix until I can get some of my wedding paid off (just got married on 10/6)

joerockt

^^^So what happened?