swoosh

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^^^ no in california

he is in Fort Lauderdale....lemme ask him and see if he has a set available....

DatDereTL

Lol. Yes that'd be awesome man thank you! Keep me updated.

DatDereTL

Guys, more opinions please, if the rotors are warped bad enough, can they can make contact with the pad slightly slowing that wheel down on/off/on/off and causing a ON/OFF shimmy? It's 90% coming from the floor/gas pedal while cruising at 65-70+, and VERY slight vibration from the steering wheel. Also gets worse when I accelerate but then smoothens out and goes back to slight shimmy.. Again, it comes and goes. That's what's odd as hell. I have had a couple of mechanics tell me it's my rotors/pads.

I have had them road force balanced by 3 places now, a couple of times at each place. Had alignment done. Had suspension/axles/bushings etc checked by 2 places and they seem to be fine, and motor mounts fine. What could it be??

I don't recall feeling it with my stock wheels, but maybe I didn't pay attention/you could feel it more with the XXRs?..

swoosh

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^^^ holy shit....i completely forgot about you bro....sorry

will talk to Rodney right now....

I can bet its from the cupped tire.....(or if the rim has damage like bent/crack)....

a warped rotor will induce steering shake at high speed braking....but not pedal vibration....are you getting steering vibration as well ? if YES then does it vibrate when you brake or between certain speeds ?

DatDereTL

It's ok man, no big deal.

But these tires are brand new and so are the rims. And wouldn't both cause vibrations at all times and not on/off? It vibrates very bad when I brake esp from lower speeds.

The on/off vibration at normal cruising is mostly from pedal, but steering also. Well, at least I think it's coming from the pedal. The whole floor vibrates. Slightly, not big, but noticeable...

rockstar143

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it's in your head...
drove my boss' 06 corolla on the highway yesterday...when I got back to my car, I felt like it was butter smooth!!!

See if you feel the random vibrations on the same roads every day.

DatDereTL

I wish it was but 2 of my friends drove it and feel it. And my dad sat in my passenger seat and he felt it as well. I do feel it on any highway road...

swoosh

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DatDere....check your mounts as well....IHC has mentioned somewhere how to check the mounts (i think its throwing from N to D to see any vibrations changes) something like that....lemme try to find that post....or you can PM him....

as your last resort i would suggest cough up the diagnostic fee at a local acura dealership (for $100-150 depending) and pin point the problem....

DatDereTL

I have checked that, and so did one of my mechanic buddys. It still continues.

Want to hear something funny? I took it to Honda and paid $85 for them to do that and they said everything was fine and that it "could" be my tires. They couldn't tell me what was wrong with them, they just blamed it on my tires...

I went back there and had a war with them and told them I'm not leaving without an answer and they re-checked it and still couldn't find anything wrong. They told me to try buying new tires lmaoo

swoosh

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^^^

well Left rodney a voicemail....will ask if he has an extra set of rims/tires which you can put on and "test"....

DatDereTL

Much much appreciate it swoosh!

rockstar143

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Wow, I'm really looking forward to you being able to enjoy your wheels, man. Sorry you're going through this...trust me, I know the feeling.

swoosh

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^^^ Jer what you doing driving a damn corolla Lol....

I remember driving my ex girls 2006 CIVIC EX (the newer ones) and they were awesome until the speed hit 80 mph....post 80 it seemed like the car will take off any second LOL

DatDereTL

It sucks, every time I think of my car I think about it. I'm not backing down though, gonna figure this out sooner or later and continue on with the mods!

Coils are going to be sex

DatDereTL

Update... My buddy is letting me try his aftermarket wheels from his TL tomorrow. Hope I figure something out. I was also told by someone a stuck brake caliper, where one or several calipers are stuck and slightly dragging due to slide pins or pistons which causes a shudder at speed. Could this be a possibility?

swoosh

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^^^ well could be many things....

glad you got your friend to help....Rodney hasnt returned my call....

DatDereTL

I will get to the bottom of this!

Yes, I actually met him at a Sonic meet a couple of days ago lol. But it's ok, thank you very much for trying anyway man!! I will be back late tomorrow with an update

rockstar143

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i wish you luck, buddy. please let us know...there was a time where I was freakin too and hated driving and dreaded hitting the highway, but now, I'm SUPER happy...I love my car like no other car I've ever had.

my fiancee went with me in the corolla...was a 5 speed type s...actually had some pick up to it, kinda...she was cracking up...she's like..."man, i've become a car snob" between my car and her 8th gen that I have mildly modded...etc...we're spoiled...I was like, UMMM...you know I didn't start in a TL, right!?!? I had an 87 corolla I wish I'd never gotten rid of actually.

J.

DatDereTL

Well, like you said rockstar, new rotors did not do anything beside eliminate the bad vibration I had when braking. Now the problem is either in the rims or the tires, which I will never find out. And it's not the balance.

swoosh

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^^^ you need to go back and read post 36 and 84 !!!

as mentioned rotors will only cause vibration (STEERING vibrations) when braking from a high speed....not while cruising....

did you try your friends rims ??? did u have any vibrations....am still betting my money on the tires or if rims have bends....

hope you didnt blow your wallet on rotors....

DatDereTL

Yeah, I just figured it's a kill two birds with one stone haha. I needed new rotors and pads anyway, it was about time. My car felt like an earthquake when I braked!! I got them from Brakesmotive for $145 shipped. All slotted/drilled rotors and pads

And no, because I now know for a fact it's the rims or tires. I NEVER had this problem before the brand new rims/tires were put on. And I've had the car itself checked out by 3 mechanics now, and everything seems to be fine and they all told me it's either the rims or the tires. But, if it was the rims, it wouldn't be on/off vibrations, would it? I mean, they ARE brand new rims AND tires

I did meet someone at a meet who had the XXRs on his STI and told me he had to send them back twice to get a pair without vibrations. But he said his vibrations were at ALL times, and none was felt through the gas pedal/floor. Which does not sound like my situation.

FUUUUARK!!

rockstar143

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How old are your tires?
I had mine warrantied by discounttiredirect.com...
the hankook evo's vibrated...
the falken 452's vibrated...
and BOTH of them after multiple high speed and roadforce balancing.

The continentals don't vibrate at all...

DatDereTL

They are now about 2 months old. It has been like this since I have gotten them. I went back to Tires Plus and they told me that they couldn't return them if there isn't "proof" that it's the tires...

swoosh

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hahhaa $145 for rotors and pads all around ??? damn....did u buy rotors that were made of wood

recently did my wifeys lexus brake setup....got everything from Advance Auto Parts and got everything done for ~155 bucks.....decent stuff !!!

about the rims or tires, i had a bubble in the tire....and it make my car shake above 70mph....until 70 it was smooth as butter....above 70 it was insane until about 85mph....once you hit 90 it was smooth as well....so in all honesty it didnt affect the overall speed, just a range !!!

take your friends setup, borrow it !!! swap it !!! and test it !!!

its not the tire....its the mounting/balancing.....i had falken vibrate only when they were not mounted properly....i took it back and asked em to mount it back and they were fine after that.....never a vibration until they developed a bubble.....

and that cup in your tire is not proof enough ????

rockstar143

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I would get the tire shop that mounted them to put in writing that the tire was cupping.
I had 2 different sets of tire and the mount balance done a billion times...when I switched to the DW's and got it balanced at acura is when it finally felt right. I agree though, a tire should not be the cause (non defective).

TLDude876

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Since the falkens are non directional, try moving them around to see if that will help.

rockstar143

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My 452's were directional...

THTL

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I am having the same problems as the OP. I noticed there is a CUP/BUBBLE ( dont know the different ) in the rear right tire. I am getting new tire sometime next week. Hope it resolve the problems.

TLDude876

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I think the OP has 912's

rockstar143

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sorry, missed that...

DatDereTL

I went back to Tires Plus and kept it there for a couple of hours. They couldn't find any bubbles or cupping nor anything wrong with the rims as they dismounted them to see. Nothing wrong with the tires nor the rims, they said. They said that it's the tires being stretched on the rims causing vibrations, and that I can not go any wider than 225 with these rims because they will rub. In the end, they were like getting different tire brand won't make a difference and that these rims just aren't perfect for my car. I have had these for months now trying to figure this out. I have prob spent $200 on gas going back and forth everywhere, and another $100 on diagnosis at Honda, and probably 40 hours of my time trying to figure this fucking bullshit out. I am selling them the way they are and buying something else. I am beyond sick of this. It has caused me major headaches. So done.

swoosh

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^^^ glad you made up your mind....

before you do anything, see if you friends can lend you a set and point the finger @ rims/tires....

I know TLDUDE is running a 225 tire on the same XXR rims and Rockstar is running 225 on a 9" rim (if am not mistaken on both counts)....so swap the set and see what happens.....if vibrations goes away, sell your current set....if vibrations stays then you have bigger things to worry about....

TLDude876

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^What he said. The idea about stretched tires causing the issue is BS because 225 on the 527's are a mere stretch. Even so, does it mean that majority of the modded rides on here have vibrations due to stretched tires? If you can get the wheels sold, sell them. If not, get a different set of front tires.

rockstar143

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Wow, Datdere, I swear, I was at that point too...and it was tires plus too and they tried to convince me that all aftermarket wheels are cr*p and that if I didn't want vibrations i should have stayed oem. A ridiculous claim, IMO. The balance machine and the person balancing are what make the biggest difference.
I did that, and also usually put a piece of painter's tape around the hub and also around the hubcentric ring to ensure a SUPER tight fit...torque down with no weight on the wheel originally to make sure it centers.

If there was a bend or the rim wasn't centered, they'd be able to tell you when they see it spinning on the balance machine.

AcuraIntegTL

Sorry to hear how things have progressed with your situation. I agree that 225 is not that much of a stretch with the 8.75 width XXRs. I do the same thing with my XXRs as rockstar, in regards to tightening down everything.

When I get my car back from servicing my tires I always dismount and remount myself. I make sure all the lugs are seating properly and torqued down to spec. I feel that shop techs at tire shops really don't care too much about these details. For them, as long as it's on the car and lugs are secure, it passes. I'm sure not all techs are not like this, but majority of techs at tire shops I've been to don't take the time to finger tighten each lug and make sure it's seated properly, and then tighten them down with a torque wrench. My

DatDereTL

Update: My buddy and I swapped wheels today and we're keeping them till Monday. My XXRs rode smooth as butter on his 04. I was very shocked lol. Then, I drove my car with his stockies and it rode pretty smooth too. Although... I did feel some vibration mostly from the gas pedal when I hit it at 80+, then it kind of smoothens out. It was nothing compared to how much my wheels vibrated. He also has a bent rim and the tires have like 5% tread.

What we came up with is that, due to my tires being stretched on my XXRs + being on stock height = tires not hugging the ground well/not sitting 100% right. His car is lowered...

Opinions?

swoosh

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^^^ passenger side axle....you sure that was fixed right ???

DatDereTL

I had one mechanic at some shop tell me it had "some movement", but when I took it to Honda and a couple of more other shops they told me it was 100% fine and everything else was ok...

DatDereTL

Like, people stretch a tire so they can go as low as possible. Just think of what happens to the sidewall when you stretch it across a wide rim. If eventually starts to drag along with the thread lowering the sidewall height allowing the people to go lower and tuck more tire. If you have a "proper" fitting tire on a rim the sidewall will be straight vertical. What do you guys think? It does make a lot of sense...

swoosh

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^^^ then how did your rim drive completely smooth on your friends car ???

also did you get your engine mounts checked ?