Pedal Vibration
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Glad to hear you found the issue? If you don't mind me asking, "How much have you been quoted to have the axle replaced?" Or is this something we can easily DIY? Hopefully someone that's already performed this fix can provide some additional information too. I'm also interested in knowing how many miles you have on your TL since I am running into something similar. However, I unmounted and remounted my rims the other day, and my TL drives a lot smoother. I think the shop I went to didn't take the time to ensure my lug nuts were seated properly.
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I feel like I've been through it all...staring at my fingers to see if they're jiggling at such and such speed, then moving wheel up or back to see if it's better...turn down bass...was it that i was feeling...look at passenger seat, is it vibrating...is my coffee mug vibrating. Emotional ups and dows every day...YES, my car is smooth...5 minutes later...WTF...I need to change the vtec fluid it's making my rims vibrate!!! AAHHHHH!!!
a few things I've learned about vibrations...
1) once you feel em, you are always feeling FOR them...even if it's less vibration than before you noticed it, you'll pay more attention.
2) not all techs or balance machines are created equally
3) not all tires are created equally
4) compliance bushing makes no difference in vibration
5) alignment makes no difference
6) camber kits front/rear raising and lowering make no difference
7) bigger rim, even 1 inch and thinner tire makes you feel the road imperfections much more...on certain curves on the same highway every day I think "fk...there it is again". it's the road, not my rims.
8) put oem wheels back on and sometimes feel a faint vibration too...so then i realized i'd just gone nutty.
Best thing...
acura dealership by me...mounted these continentals for me. they used a new balance machine and cleaned off the rims first and put on the new nice weights and made sure they didn't fall off after.
made sure i put the right amount of psi all around
put on hubcentric rings...put a little painters tape around the circumfrence to ensure a SUPER tight fit as I torqued down.
torque to spec, 80 ft/lb
use the correct lugs with either acorn seats or tapered seats. they both work on oem or aftermarket, but aren't meant to.
Then, take your crazy pills and go back to focusing on enjoying Barry Manilow or whatever you're cranking on your ELS system and TRY and forget you ever had a vibration issue to begin with.
and now...my ish is butter smooth, my friend. pure joy.
a few things I've learned about vibrations...
1) once you feel em, you are always feeling FOR them...even if it's less vibration than before you noticed it, you'll pay more attention.
2) not all techs or balance machines are created equally
3) not all tires are created equally
4) compliance bushing makes no difference in vibration
5) alignment makes no difference
6) camber kits front/rear raising and lowering make no difference
7) bigger rim, even 1 inch and thinner tire makes you feel the road imperfections much more...on certain curves on the same highway every day I think "fk...there it is again". it's the road, not my rims.
8) put oem wheels back on and sometimes feel a faint vibration too...so then i realized i'd just gone nutty.
Best thing...
acura dealership by me...mounted these continentals for me. they used a new balance machine and cleaned off the rims first and put on the new nice weights and made sure they didn't fall off after.
made sure i put the right amount of psi all around
put on hubcentric rings...put a little painters tape around the circumfrence to ensure a SUPER tight fit as I torqued down.
torque to spec, 80 ft/lb
use the correct lugs with either acorn seats or tapered seats. they both work on oem or aftermarket, but aren't meant to.
Then, take your crazy pills and go back to focusing on enjoying Barry Manilow or whatever you're cranking on your ELS system and TRY and forget you ever had a vibration issue to begin with.
and now...my ish is butter smooth, my friend. pure joy.
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Glad to hear you found the issue? If you don't mind me asking, "How much have you been quoted to have the axle replaced?" Or is this something we can easily DIY? Hopefully someone that's already performed this fix can provide some additional information too. I'm also interested in knowing how many miles you have on your TL since I am running into something similar. However, I unmounted and remounted my rims the other day, and my TL drives a lot smoother. I think the shop I went to didn't take the time to ensure my lug nuts were seated properly.
Anyways, I feel like it did get 99% better after re-balancing them. My rotors are warped bad and when I brake at 30 mph, it vibrates. That's how bad they are. Could that have anything to do with me vibrating ON AND OFF at normal speeds (65+)? Could it be the harmonics in the cheap Falkens I bought? As for your question, I have 121k mi. I don't think I experienced this problem before I got the XXRs...
I feel like I've been through it all...staring at my fingers to see if they're jiggling at such and such speed, then moving wheel up or back to see if it's better...turn down bass...was it that i was feeling...look at passenger seat, is it vibrating...is my coffee mug vibrating. Emotional ups and dows every day...YES, my car is smooth...5 minutes later...WTF...I need to change the vtec fluid it's making my rims vibrate!!! AAHHHHH!!!
a few things I've learned about vibrations...
1) once you feel em, you are always feeling FOR them...even if it's less vibration than before you noticed it, you'll pay more attention.
2) not all techs or balance machines are created equally
3) not all tires are created equally
4) compliance bushing makes no difference in vibration
5) alignment makes no difference
6) camber kits front/rear raising and lowering make no difference
7) bigger rim, even 1 inch and thinner tire makes you feel the road imperfections much more...on certain curves on the same highway every day I think "fk...there it is again". it's the road, not my rims.
8) put oem wheels back on and sometimes feel a faint vibration too...so then i realized i'd just gone nutty.
Best thing...
acura dealership by me...mounted these continentals for me. they used a new balance machine and cleaned off the rims first and put on the new nice weights and made sure they didn't fall off after.
made sure i put the right amount of psi all around
put on hubcentric rings...put a little painters tape around the circumfrence to ensure a SUPER tight fit as I torqued down.
torque to spec, 80 ft/lb
use the correct lugs with either acorn seats or tapered seats. they both work on oem or aftermarket, but aren't meant to.
Then, take your crazy pills and go back to focusing on enjoying Barry Manilow or whatever you're cranking on your ELS system and TRY and forget you ever had a vibration issue to begin with.
and now...my ish is butter smooth, my friend. pure joy.
a few things I've learned about vibrations...
1) once you feel em, you are always feeling FOR them...even if it's less vibration than before you noticed it, you'll pay more attention.
2) not all techs or balance machines are created equally
3) not all tires are created equally
4) compliance bushing makes no difference in vibration
5) alignment makes no difference
6) camber kits front/rear raising and lowering make no difference
7) bigger rim, even 1 inch and thinner tire makes you feel the road imperfections much more...on certain curves on the same highway every day I think "fk...there it is again". it's the road, not my rims.
8) put oem wheels back on and sometimes feel a faint vibration too...so then i realized i'd just gone nutty.
Best thing...
acura dealership by me...mounted these continentals for me. they used a new balance machine and cleaned off the rims first and put on the new nice weights and made sure they didn't fall off after.
made sure i put the right amount of psi all around
put on hubcentric rings...put a little painters tape around the circumfrence to ensure a SUPER tight fit as I torqued down.
torque to spec, 80 ft/lb
use the correct lugs with either acorn seats or tapered seats. they both work on oem or aftermarket, but aren't meant to.
Then, take your crazy pills and go back to focusing on enjoying Barry Manilow or whatever you're cranking on your ELS system and TRY and forget you ever had a vibration issue to begin with.
and now...my ish is butter smooth, my friend. pure joy.
If there was something wrong with the rims I would have vibrated at all times, not on and off. Correct?
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Was it on and off vibrations? Like it would smooth out, then slightly vibrate again...
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Um... after all the pain you went through fixing the vibration, the last ditch is that you found some bad axle in the passenger then the technicians confirmed that the axle is good then told you take a road force and it solved your vibration problem?
Man I need to try the road force, although I do have a little tiny vibration going on in my TL and I want to be 100% vibration free.
Hey rockstar;
What part of acura dealer do you go for the road force balancing? you said they have new machine and how much they cost?
Man I need to try the road force, although I do have a little tiny vibration going on in my TL and I want to be 100% vibration free.
Hey rockstar;
What part of acura dealer do you go for the road force balancing? you said they have new machine and how much they cost?
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Um... after all the pain you went through fixing the vibration, the last ditch is that you found some bad axle in the passenger then the technicians confirmed that the axle is good then told you take a road force and it solved your vibration problem?
Man I need to try the road force, although I do have a little tiny vibration going on in my TL and I want to be 100% vibration free.
Hey rockstar;
What part of acura dealer do you go for the road force balancing? you said they have new machine and how much they cost?
Man I need to try the road force, although I do have a little tiny vibration going on in my TL and I want to be 100% vibration free.
Hey rockstar;
What part of acura dealer do you go for the road force balancing? you said they have new machine and how much they cost?
Where in FL are you?
But like rockstar said, it could be just in my head. Or it could be my rotors? I have no idea. Either way, I am getting new rotors sometime this week. If that doesn't solve it then it can not be fixed or figured out I guess.
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OP couple things for you:
1> Vibrations when braking at high speeds: Warped rotors
2> Vibrations when driving between certain speeds: Balance issues, Bent rim, bubble in tire, axle, hub-centric rings
3> Vibrations when at a stop: Vac line, mounts
your in point 2 over there....get those things checked out and you will be fine
1> Vibrations when braking at high speeds: Warped rotors
2> Vibrations when driving between certain speeds: Balance issues, Bent rim, bubble in tire, axle, hub-centric rings
3> Vibrations when at a stop: Vac line, mounts
your in point 2 over there....get those things checked out and you will be fine
the issue just wont disappear....
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The vibrations are ON AND OFF, not the whole time. That's what's odd. If it was balance, wouldn't it vibrate at all times?
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^^^ sometimes uneven tire wear will also cause vibrations....
when the tires are off just check of uneven wear/bubbles.....dont have the guy do a STATIC balance....sometimes they do static to get it done quickly but it doesnt solve anything.....
PS: I dont know WTF Static means....no matter what shop i take my car in, I always go in the bay...saw a guy HIT static button on the balancer and the vibrations were still there....went to the other store and he didnt hit that button....and this is what he told me "do you feel vibrations ? (YES) yeah its coz the other guy did a static balance (really, thats sucks)"
also make sure you go to a place which has hunter roadforce 9500 something....freaking awesome machine....
when the tires are off just check of uneven wear/bubbles.....dont have the guy do a STATIC balance....sometimes they do static to get it done quickly but it doesnt solve anything.....
PS: I dont know WTF Static means....no matter what shop i take my car in, I always go in the bay...saw a guy HIT static button on the balancer and the vibrations were still there....went to the other store and he didnt hit that button....and this is what he told me "do you feel vibrations ? (YES) yeah its coz the other guy did a static balance (really, thats sucks)"
also make sure you go to a place which has hunter roadforce 9500 something....freaking awesome machine....
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^^^ sometimes uneven tire wear will also cause vibrations....
when the tires are off just check of uneven wear/bubbles.....dont have the guy do a STATIC balance....sometimes they do static to get it done quickly but it doesnt solve anything.....
PS: I dont know WTF Static means....no matter what shop i take my car in, I always go in the bay...saw a guy HIT static button on the balancer and the vibrations were still there....went to the other store and he didnt hit that button....and this is what he told me "do you feel vibrations ? (YES) yeah its coz the other guy did a static balance (really, thats sucks)"
also make sure you go to a place which has hunter roadforce 9500 something....freaking awesome machine....
when the tires are off just check of uneven wear/bubbles.....dont have the guy do a STATIC balance....sometimes they do static to get it done quickly but it doesnt solve anything.....
PS: I dont know WTF Static means....no matter what shop i take my car in, I always go in the bay...saw a guy HIT static button on the balancer and the vibrations were still there....went to the other store and he didnt hit that button....and this is what he told me "do you feel vibrations ? (YES) yeah its coz the other guy did a static balance (really, thats sucks)"
also make sure you go to a place which has hunter roadforce 9500 something....freaking awesome machine....
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if a tire has a cup/bubble then thats your reason for vibrations right there....
you can get it balanced/aligned but the vibrations will still be there....even something so small on the sidewall can cause vibrations:
you can get it balanced/aligned but the vibrations will still be there....even something so small on the sidewall can cause vibrations:
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What does having a cup to it mean? Does it mean that it is more worn than the rest? Could Tires Plus measure the exact wear on it? Because they said they can't exchange it, unless they can technically find a reason to. They're not going to listen to me if I just say that it has a cup to it, "change it"!
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nah i think if he said "dude the tire has a cup" it pretty much means a bubble....
if you got those tires recently, go back and get em exchanged/returned....
if you got those tires recently, go back and get em exchanged/returned....
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Me: of course...
Guy: because this one has a little cup to it (as he was moving his hands around the tire)
Tires Plus has horrible customer service and every time I went to speak with them about this problem they weren't so cooperative. And I told them that I would like to exchange them for another brand as I believe it's the tires, they said "We can not return them if we can't find anything wrong with them"...
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Lol I know man. It got 99% better, but not 100%. I want it 100%
Where in FL are you?
But like rockstar said, it could be just in my head. Or it could be my rotors? I have no idea. Either way, I am getting new rotors sometime this week. If that doesn't solve it then it can not be fixed or figured out I guess.
Where in FL are you?
But like rockstar said, it could be just in my head. Or it could be my rotors? I have no idea. Either way, I am getting new rotors sometime this week. If that doesn't solve it then it can not be fixed or figured out I guess.
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He was talking about one of them, yes. He said "you sure these are brand new?"
Me: of course...
Guy: because this one has a little cup to it (as he was moving his hands around the tire)
Tires Plus has horrible customer service and every time I went to speak with them about this problem they weren't so cooperative. And I told them that I would like to exchange them for another brand as I believe it's the tires, they said "We can not return them if we can't find anything wrong with them"...
Me: of course...
Guy: because this one has a little cup to it (as he was moving his hands around the tire)
Tires Plus has horrible customer service and every time I went to speak with them about this problem they weren't so cooperative. And I told them that I would like to exchange them for another brand as I believe it's the tires, they said "We can not return them if we can't find anything wrong with them"...
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I sure am tomorrow. Thanks for the help rockstar & swoosh!! I'll keep you updated
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^^^ bishhhh am not rockstar am swoosh
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i fixed it!! lol. sorry, long day. but thanks to both of you
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Swoosh, cupping and a bubble are 2 different phenomenon. Cupping is caused by worn shocks, or defective tires, or bad alignment.
Fellas, I went to Acura of Pembroke Pines. Sorry for the delay, was at a HEAT game last night.
Mike, the shop foreman is a nice guy...and the guy to get your wheels mount/balanced with is Dre (Andre). Ask to schedule to have him do it. $20/tire to mount/balance if you need to get tires on...and $27/tire if they are bigger wheels. But this guy KNOWS how to balance and mount tires. He even cleaned the wheels for me, scraped off the old glue from the old weights and put on nice clean and crisp new weights for me. And didn't cost me any more than tires plus (which is where I went at least 5 different times to roadforce, then high speed etc). This guy does it and on the first try, vibration free.
DatDer, yes, it would come and go...part of it I KNOW is in my head.
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Fellas, I went to Acura of Pembroke Pines. Sorry for the delay, was at a HEAT game last night.
Mike, the shop foreman is a nice guy...and the guy to get your wheels mount/balanced with is Dre (Andre). Ask to schedule to have him do it. $20/tire to mount/balance if you need to get tires on...and $27/tire if they are bigger wheels. But this guy KNOWS how to balance and mount tires. He even cleaned the wheels for me, scraped off the old glue from the old weights and put on nice clean and crisp new weights for me. And didn't cost me any more than tires plus (which is where I went at least 5 different times to roadforce, then high speed etc). This guy does it and on the first try, vibration free.
DatDer, yes, it would come and go...part of it I KNOW is in my head.
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^^^ Jer, there shudnt be any vibrations PERIOD !!!
vibrations is a way of your car telling you something is going wrong....just like whining or squealing....
and $20 per tire is a LOTTTT !!! i have the one from Firestone and they charge $20 for all 4 tires and for the life of the tire.....
so you pay $20 and get lifetime tire balance/rotate.....
cupping is the opposite of a bubble.....if you recent bough a tire which is cupping you gotta get it replaced is what am saying....
vibrations is a way of your car telling you something is going wrong....just like whining or squealing....
and $20 per tire is a LOTTTT !!! i have the one from Firestone and they charge $20 for all 4 tires and for the life of the tire.....
so you pay $20 and get lifetime tire balance/rotate.....
cupping is the opposite of a bubble.....if you recent bough a tire which is cupping you gotta get it replaced is what am saying....
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Well, when I read your post it certainly sounded like you were calling a cup a bubble. And cupping is very different. Anyway...
$20 per tire is for mounting a tire on there...not just balance (that's why I put that little blurb about needing tires).
$20 per tire is for mounting a tire on there...not just balance (that's why I put that little blurb about needing tires).
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Got a free alignment from my friend at Tire Kingdom, didn't fix the vibration. Had them road force balanced AGAIN yesterday, didn't do shit either. I also wanted to test out how it'd be at high speeds and when I floored it started vibrating like there's an earthquake or something. There is NO way balance will do that, esp after balancing them like 7 times already at 3 different places now. Could it be why these Falkens were buy 3 get 1 free? But yeah, I AM DONE wasting EVERYday I am off driving around wasting hundreds on gas for the past month. I want one day off car stress free!!!! For fucking once, I'm so sick of it. And Type-S rims are impossible to find almost. This has upset me so much and I am fed up to the point where I just want to trade it in as it's the only option I have.
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^^^ man i feel sorry for ya....
did they check the tire for bubble/cupping ? how about the axle or the hubcentric rings are they fine ?
did they check the tire for bubble/cupping ? how about the axle or the hubcentric rings are they fine ?
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He was like the rear ones seem like they are cupping/"not smooth" towards the inside, but then he was like that's not your vibrations. He was like i think it's your rotors. And thast is the only option I have left to try...
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do you have another set of rims/tires you can swap out to pin point the vibrations....see if you can have any Azine member help you out....
I know Jer (Rockstar143) lives somewhere in SO FL....so if he is not busy starring at the topless chics on the beach maybe he can help you out .....
Also Rodney is there and he recently started selling tires for the cheapest imaginable price.....pay him a visit if you want
I know Jer (Rockstar143) lives somewhere in SO FL....so if he is not busy starring at the topless chics on the beach maybe he can help you out .....
Also Rodney is there and he recently started selling tires for the cheapest imaginable price.....pay him a visit if you want
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do you have another set of rims/tires you can swap out to pin point the vibrations....see if you can have any Azine member help you out....
I know Jer (Rockstar143) lives somewhere in SO FL....so if he is not busy starring at the topless chics on the beach maybe he can help you out .....
Also Rodney is there and he recently started selling tires for the cheapest imaginable price.....pay him a visit if you want
I know Jer (Rockstar143) lives somewhere in SO FL....so if he is not busy starring at the topless chics on the beach maybe he can help you out .....
Also Rodney is there and he recently started selling tires for the cheapest imaginable price.....pay him a visit if you want
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Jacksonville is far as fk!
You know what Dat...I hadn't thought of this one other possibility.
I had Hankook Evo V12's...cupping and vibrating like crazy. I called discount tire direct 5 months into it and told them there was a cupping problem defective tires yada yada...they prepaid for shipping back to them and gave me another pick. I got the Falken FK452's...it was better...but still driving me a little nuts.
Maybe it's the tires. Maybe in a low profile they don't balance well?
I got the continental contiextrem DW's now and am happier than a pig in sht. Maybe an option. It's not going to be your rotors.
You know what Dat...I hadn't thought of this one other possibility.
I had Hankook Evo V12's...cupping and vibrating like crazy. I called discount tire direct 5 months into it and told them there was a cupping problem defective tires yada yada...they prepaid for shipping back to them and gave me another pick. I got the Falken FK452's...it was better...but still driving me a little nuts.
Maybe it's the tires. Maybe in a low profile they don't balance well?
I got the continental contiextrem DW's now and am happier than a pig in sht. Maybe an option. It's not going to be your rotors.
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^^^ yeah just wanted to narrow down where the vibrations are coming from.....
DatDere, PM me your number and will have you get in touch with Rodney....you can drive there, put on a different set or rims/tires and see if the vibrations go away....
DatDere, PM me your number and will have you get in touch with Rodney....you can drive there, put on a different set or rims/tires and see if the vibrations go away....
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Jacksonville is far as fk!
You know what Dat...I hadn't thought of this one other possibility.
I had Hankook Evo V12's...cupping and vibrating like crazy. I called discount tire direct 5 months into it and told them there was a cupping problem defective tires yada yada...they prepaid for shipping back to them and gave me another pick. I got the Falken FK452's...it was better...but still driving me a little nuts.
Maybe it's the tires. Maybe in a low profile they don't balance well?
I got the continental contiextrem DW's now and am happier than a pig in sht. Maybe an option. It's not going to be your rotors.
You know what Dat...I hadn't thought of this one other possibility.
I had Hankook Evo V12's...cupping and vibrating like crazy. I called discount tire direct 5 months into it and told them there was a cupping problem defective tires yada yada...they prepaid for shipping back to them and gave me another pick. I got the Falken FK452's...it was better...but still driving me a little nuts.
Maybe it's the tires. Maybe in a low profile they don't balance well?
I got the continental contiextrem DW's now and am happier than a pig in sht. Maybe an option. It's not going to be your rotors.
Who's Rodney?
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Rodney is a cool guy....he is a vendor on here and he makes the Turbo kit and ECU for the TL....
lemme ask him if he has a spare set of rims in tires (balanced so wont cause vibrations) which you can put on and drive for a little bit....if the vibrations are gone then you have nothing else to blame but your rims/tires....
lemme ask him if he has a spare set of rims in tires (balanced so wont cause vibrations) which you can put on and drive for a little bit....if the vibrations are gone then you have nothing else to blame but your rims/tires....
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Rodney is a cool guy....he is a vendor on here and he makes the Turbo kit and ECU for the TL....
lemme ask him if he has a spare set of rims in tires (balanced so wont cause vibrations) which you can put on and drive for a little bit....if the vibrations are gone then you have nothing else to blame but your rims/tires....
lemme ask him if he has a spare set of rims in tires (balanced so wont cause vibrations) which you can put on and drive for a little bit....if the vibrations are gone then you have nothing else to blame but your rims/tires....
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Got a free alignment from my friend at Tire Kingdom, didn't fix the vibration. Had them road force balanced AGAIN yesterday, didn't do shit either. I also wanted to test out how it'd be at high speeds and when I floored it started vibrating like there's an earthquake or something. There is NO way balance will do that, esp after balancing them like 7 times already at 3 different places now. Could it be why these Falkens were buy 3 get 1 free? But yeah, I AM DONE wasting EVERYday I am off driving around wasting hundreds on gas for the past month. I want one day off car stress free!!!! For fucking once, I'm so sick of it. And Type-S rims are impossible to find almost. This has upset me so much and I am fed up to the point where I just want to trade it in as it's the only option I have.
I thought it was 99% vibration free after last balance?
Exact same thing that is happening to my G35..vibration on and off..bad 1 min..fine next....main reason why i am trading it in because i worry about it every time i am on highway and i am sick of it. I think mine is in my drivetrain..ie trans or something else..differential ect
But see yours isn't in the wheel..mine is in the wheel and seats..bad..at 60+
If i only had pedal vibration..i would be so happy..
Last edited by Patsfreak1281; 02-23-2012 at 11:07 PM.