WdnUlik2no

I took my TL in to get the clicking sound checked out. Everytime I would pull off in either reverse or foward, I would hear this loud click come from the left front wheel.

The Acura guys looked at it and about a half hour later I spoke to the mechanic, and he said that they would need to replace the left front axle. I asked him what caused this, and he said that sometimes that the axle is sometimes bad from the factory.

The service manager then spoke to me and said, its very rare for the axle to be bad, but he's seen it on about 5 TL's. Its covered under warranty, but I have to wait about a week for the part to get in and another couple of hours for them to replace it. They told me its safe to drive, so they let me take it home until the part gets in. I'm nervous now, thinking that they are going to mess something else up when they are installing it.

The car was bought in Nov '04 and only has 16,000 miles on it and already there are problems with it?

BustedJack

Lemon?

Boulder GT3

In the grand scheme of things this is nothing and a bad bearing or CV is rare for the number of cars out there.

Take a look at PCars and the number of major surgeries done for rear main seals.

How about Ford Powerstroke diesels that you'd think would be stone reliable? Full engine outs are common on '04 and later F250's.

How about rod bearing surgeries on M3's?

How about cam variators on Ferraris?

How about snap rings on NSX's?

Stuff can slip through with a Honda/Acura but it's pretty rare compared to others. They are reliable cars and there are enough of them in service that mechanics have time with them.

Replacing a half shaft isn't a big deal. if owning a TL makes you this tense don't try anything more complex.

lembowski

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WdnUlik2no

well of all the cars that I've owned, this is the first time I've had a problem during the warranty period. I've owned Ford Mustangs, a Ford Escort, a Nissan Maxima, the TL and recently the G35 and never had any problems with any of those cars (even the Fords). In fact my Escort has over 98,000 miles and the only major problem I had was the radiator needed replacing a few years ago.

This caught me by suprise. I know stuff sometimes slips by, but I was expecting maybe something simple. Even when I spoke to the Acura guy over the phone last week, he said it was more than likely something very simple, like something caught in the wheel. I expected to be out in 20 minutes tops, when the mechanic told me a bad axle, I was suprised. And also suprised that it would happen so suddenly when I haven't had any problems with the TL until now.

No need to be an asshole, I'm just someone that's concerned about his car especially hearing some of the horror stories on here on how Acura mechanics messed up people's cars.

DeadLock

I have the same sound, saw some other members had their axles removed, they did a brake job, front rotors and pads for free (brembos too) cause there was a bulletin on them making noise...........pads not seated properly something like that

But the noise has nothing to do with brakes, so I got free brakes, can't complain.

I will keep taking it in, until they fix the axles. They say the TLs never come in with a bad axles, but I have seen it online, and ofcourse, they say that I shouldnt listen to the forums online cause "they dont know anything"

You can't argue with these people, just let them fix everything until they get it right. At least in your situation, they are going to attempt an axle swap. I am sure they will do an ok job.

I also need my pedal assembly replaced, cause the clutch pedal clicks and makes a rebound sensation when depressed.

All in all, the motor is solid, tranny is smooth, I dont care about the little things, you have to expect these things, ESPECIALLY in the first year of the model production.

I have an 04 6spd btw, 15k milkes.

Black_05_TL_6SP

Replacing a axel on a front wheel drive car is easy. I have done quite a few myself and wouldn't have a problem doing it on the TL. So I am pretty sure that your Acura maintenance tech should not have a problem with nor should he "mess it up more". For all that the TL is, it is still a Honda, and fairly easy to work on mechanically. The harder part would be if there where an electrical problem with the car, then that may get a little more difficult, but that would go for any newer car.

CV axels can go bad, that is part of the problem with them over a solid rear axel. It is not a common problem, but it can happen. You may only have 16000 miles on the car, but what kind of driving conditions are those? If you drive it hard, that can shorten the length of the axel life. If you drive it hard the way you would drive the G35, then they surely won't hold up. I am not saying that you drive the car hard, but this is something that can lead to premature wear. A defective part is possible, as most of these parts are contracted out to other manufactures and not made by a car manufacture. As was the problem with the Ford Powerstroke (I worked for International Diesel in the Spring of this year) the parts International used on that motor where made by another manufacture, and these where the parts that where failing. They corrected that problem before the 05 engine build and they are much more reliable.

Why worry, its under warranty, and they are going to fix it. Once fixed you will not have that problem anymore!


Please don’t go there. Why must everyone go screaming lemon when one problem occurs. A lemon is a car that has a repeated problem the dealer cannot repair. Not to mention most states require that the problem try to be repair 3 times before it can qualify as a lemon. There are going to be defects in parts. Mass production has helped to improve allot of things, but there are going to be issues that go along with this. Quality control can only do so much, as they can't test every part that goes into the end product, just the test of the end product. If the initial test of the product passes then it is deemed OK. This is why new cars come with a warranty, so if there are little issues like this. No cost other them time incurred, but if they are willing to give a loaner, then you really are not out all that much time.

I am not trying to be rude, I just hate to see people jump to the conclusion of a lemon. So please don't take it personally.

Jason

FADE

If you do not want hostile reactions to you thread don’t name it f*cking TL for starters.

WdnUlik2no

good point. Sorry.

Just hearing that the TL needed an axle replacement was something I did not want to hear first thing Monday morning.

WdnUlik2no

Yeah, mine is an 05, one of the reasons I didn't go with an 04 was because I know there are usually some kinks the first year of a new model. But other than this, no big problems with the TL, the 3rd gear poping out problem was fixed during the last service (possibly because they changed the tranny fluid), and I also have the clutch pedal click too, but it comes and goes. I don't feel the rebound sensation though, so its something I can live with.

I am just glad they were able to reproduce the problem. Another concern I had was that they were going to say they couldn't reproduce it. Because then it's your word against theirs and then its like talking to a brick wall. I have been fairly satisfied with this dealer though, in fact I drove 15 miles out of the way to go to this dealer instead of the one near my home, because I don't too much care for the one on my area. Hopefully they'll do a good job and they won't mess anything else up in the process, but the possibility is always there; and judging from my misfortunes these past few weeks, I'll be the 1 out of 1000 people that has something go wrong.

neuronbob

Dang. Keep up posted on this issue. I admit I haven't heard much about this particular issue. It shows how little I know about cars that I thought it would be dangerious to drive a car with a broken axle.

Boulder GT3

You need to engage your brain before you hit the post key. You demonstrated three things:

1. You're an over reactive hot head.

2. You don't know jack about how to diagnose a car but can point out how somebody in the business is likely to make a mistake.

3. You respect and admire Ford Escots.

I think you had a minor jab coming.

bluenoise

The worst thing that can happen if a CV joint fails, at least in my experience, is the car no longer gets power to the wheels. It's as if you've popped into neutral. I'd say it's more inconvenient than dangerous, unless you were just pulling into traffic and now you're stopped in its path.

Boulder GT3

Except in race conditions, a surprise catastrophic is pretty rare. Hub bearings and CV's will click, whine, grind or have some other bad habit before they let loose. Often the early warning on a CV is a ripped boot. As you say, when they go often you just cease to move.

Off topic, but if you watched the 24hrs of Daytona this year the favored Porsche team was having trouble with their CV's/halfshafts. They were going through them like popcorn at $5K each. Ouch.

WdnUlik2no

1. You're an over reactive hot head. Perhaps. But for someone with posts, I have come to the conclusion that you seek attention by trying to insult people you never even talked to on this board. Maybe you're having a bad day.

2. You don't know jack about how to diagnose a car but can point out how somebody in the business is likely to make a mistake. Who cares? I never said I was an auto expert and no I don't know how to diagnose every problem with a car. I'm not in the auto business so why would I care about how to diagnose everything that may go wrong with a car. This is why I took it to the mechanic in the first place to see what was wrong. Otherwise when I took the car in, I would have just said "Good morning James, replace the left front axle please.” Some people can diagnose their problems and know exactly what they need, but I'm not one of them. Oh yeah, of course I know people make mistakes in any business. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that I would need to be an auto expert to know that.

3. You respect and admire Ford Escots. I bought the E-S-C-O-R-T when I was in college back in 1999. But that is beside the point. It seems like you're the one who needs to engage their brain before posting. Hmmm, I would think someone who's accusing someone of not "engaging their BRAIN" would at least make sure every thing in his own post is at least spelled correctly before positing. I never heard of a Ford Escot. You may have realized three things about me, but I realized that you don't know how to use spell check.

WdnUlik2no

The service manager told me that it is still safe to drive, I would just hear that clicking sound. I'll keep you posted.

WdnUlik2no

:surrender

I could jab back at you, but I won't. Based on your past posts, you seem like a pretty cool guy. With your 30 posts or so, I thought you were a troll when you posted that original comment. But you are right about me being a hothead sometimes and when I think about it I did overreact a little on your original post. So I apologize about the "asshole" comment.

And no I don't claim to know everything about cars or how to diagnose every single problem. I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge of cars doesn't go far beyond changing oil, tires, fluids, batteries and doing some minor body work. Otherwise when I took the car in this morning, I would have just said "Good morning James, please replace the left front axle". However I do realize that mistakes are made in the business and I don't need to be an auto expert to realize that. I was just suprised that something that was "rare" like that could happen to me.

But I must comment on #3, I bought this car in 1999 while I was in college and surprisingly had no problems with it. Does that mean I admire Fords? No, it just means that the Escort has been a pretty reliable car. I'll never get another Ford again. Eventhough I was fairly lucky with mine, people I know who have Fords always have problems. Not to mention the many recalls I have seen on Fords. I know all manufactuers will occasionally have recalls, it just seems that Ford has a lot of them. My Acura only had one, and it was something minor.

You may be right about #1 and part of #2, but when you called me a Ford admirer you really crossed the line!

05TLTony

Just be glad it's covered under warranty. I think I have the same problem. As much as I hate to go to the dealership, I'll have to go get it checked out next thursday.
Good luck on the repairs.

Laxplaya11385

omg...i have this too! Do you also hear the click when you're accelerating, and then release the pedal?

WdnUlik2no

When accelerating. It only happens shortly right after I pull off. After I reach a certain speed, it no longer happens.

Boulder GT3

No worries.

Most of the tech's I know are car nuts and will do everything they to make a situation right. There are some morons just like life but most of them really do want to do a good job. I'd also gladly trade a major mechanical issue for some intermitent ground electrical glitch. your axle will come in and out in pretty much one piece. They don't rebuild much because of the modularity. As I said, the good news on a TL is that all the techs have history with them. Some of the stuff I've got has to go two states away to find somebody that has seen the problem or knows how to set it up.

I doubt anybody is running their TL's that hard but other than a defect the thing that is hardest on a CV is putting them under power at extreme angles. i.e., flooring it with the wheel turned.

B18DelSolT

axles go bad, and it is kinda easy, once you get sand in that boot thats it, een if you hit a pot hole hard enough. i had a honda del sol and went through 2 in a short period of time, the second one was a boost issue lol

foot3ch

I drove my GSR with broken axle and cv boots for over a year. Don't worry.

WdnUlik2no

Well I called Ed Voyles on Monday to see if my axle was in yet, and it turned out, they had just got it in. So I set up an appointment to bring my car in the next day.

I took my car there on Tuesday and they told me that it would take a while because they had a lot of cars there, they offered me a loaner. I told the guy sure and let him know that I didn't want the car washed. He joked and asked "what is up with you guys not wanting your cars washed?" He asked about cleaning the inside and I said that was fine.

When I was getting ready the leave, the porter guy told me I had a choice between a loaner TSX and a loaner TL. ummm I chose the TL. It was the SSM with quartz and even had Navi. So it was just like my car except for the exterior/interior color and no manual on the loaner. The guy who came in right behind me had to get the TSX Because I was so used to the stick in mine it felt very weird driving the TL with the Auto, I was often reaching for the clutch and it wasn't there.


The loaner sheet stated that Acura would charge $3.00/gallon if it was brought back with less than what it left with. Since premium gas in the area was $3.199/gallon I was considering not even worrying about putting the gas back in the loaner because the fee is actually cheaper than gas.

Anyway Acura called me about 3 hours later and told me my car was ready. So I drive back up there, and decided to put back the 1.25 gallons back in the tank at the local gas station. The car was ready as promised and they didn't wash it as I told them not to. But they forgot to clean the inside, not sure why the forgot this time, but I do remember having a note on the passenger sign saying "Please don't wash", I guess the guys thought that meant the inside as well. Oh well, The most important thing was that the clicking sound seemed to be fixed. Covered under warranty so no charge for me. Driving home later that day, I thought I might have noticed that my alignment seemed kind of off, but maybe it just was my imagination.

to Ed Voyles for another great service visit. I highly reccommend this service department for anyone in the Atlanta area.

zalypkin

There is a VERY BIG difference between a PING in the axle, and a BROKEN axle. There is no such thing as a "PERFECT CAR". Every single car maker has a service department. That means that every single car out there does break down from time to time, its just that Acuras break down very rearly. If you have a broken axle, you will not be able to drive the car at all, ping can last for years before it turns into grinding, and then eventually falling apart. Its great that you are covered under warranty, but just remember, A car is a peice of metal, it is bound to break from time to time.

ITL

without reading the entire thread, just the first post, I can confirm that I've been through this same thing on multiple occasions. An aggressive impact to the suspension can damage the axle. I had the click (and posted about it in a couple of threads)...I've had each of the front axles replaced a total of three times, counting both sides once. The first impact was with a curb on ice (I thought the clutch was out, whatever), and the other two were from potholes or road construction after installing my TEIN coilovers....

arseny87

Oh please, thats not bad...most volvo's and benz's need new computers which means they have to completely gut the cars out before 5000 miles.....that fucking sucks!

6SpdTerror

I have the same problem......i think its just the 6MT guys that get the clicking. When i pull off from a dead stop or reverse and when i accelerate i hear a "click".
At first i thought it might be the LSD but then again.....this didnt happen when i first got the car. I have about 13k on my 05 and it started a couple months ago.
I guess i have to take it in to the dealer.

Vietnastee

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I'm bringing this thread back from the dead.

I have this "click". I know exactly where mine is coming from though. It's coming from the rear passenger axle/wheel. I jacked up the jack and rotated the wheel clockwise and counter clockwise and it make that "click" sound when it stopped.

I found a video of a G35 with the exact same clicking noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcxT7Vdbfuo

I'm going to try to grease up the wheel bearings to see if that gets rid of it.

Turbonut

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After 3 years the thread is brought back, but your noise is in the rear, not a front axle like the OP, then the video is of a RWD vehicle compared to a FWD TL. Better off starting a new thread on the subject.

Vietnastee

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I just used that video to help show people what it sounds like because the "click" sound is the exact same sound my TL is making. I'm not saying it's the same problem on the G35 as it is on the TL.

Anybody know what could go wrong with the rear axles on the TL?

1fsthatch

deff an axle i had this sound and it was a losse axle apparently

DanL

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I think what Turbonut is trying to tell you is that there is no rear axle on the TL. If the sound is indeed coming from the rear, you have a totally different issue, perhaps a worn suspension component or bushing.