Big problem replacing parking brake shoes
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Big problem replacing parking brake shoes
So I decided to replace my rear rotors and my parking brake shoes since I was in there. The brand of rotor and shoes were both wearever from advance auto. I got the rotor off and replaced the shoes, but for the life of me I can't get the new rotor back on.
The parking brake is down and I took apart my console and loosened the adjusting nut all the way. I have the adjuster at the shoes adjusted all the way down too. I made sure that the tensioner pins are turned the right way. I tried to put my old rotor back on and it has the same issues, so I don't think the new rotor is the problem.
I understand that the new shoes might be a little thicker, but I can't even force the new rotor over them when everything is adjust down.
I am going to try to put the old shoes back on and see if that works. But I need to know if anyone else has had a similar issue or if I might have missed something?
The parking brake is down and I took apart my console and loosened the adjusting nut all the way. I have the adjuster at the shoes adjusted all the way down too. I made sure that the tensioner pins are turned the right way. I tried to put my old rotor back on and it has the same issues, so I don't think the new rotor is the problem.I understand that the new shoes might be a little thicker, but I can't even force the new rotor over them when everything is adjust down.
I am going to try to put the old shoes back on and see if that works. But I need to know if anyone else has had a similar issue or if I might have missed something?
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It was on one side. Like you said I think that the new pads were too thick. I put the stock ones back on and the new rotor slid on like butter. I just need to adjust the parking brake now.
I guess if anyone is wondering what the best brand is for a parking brake shoe, I would say buy them from honda. Those Wearever shoes do not fit.
I guess if anyone is wondering what the best brand is for a parking brake shoe, I would say buy them from honda. Those Wearever shoes do not fit.
Here are a couple of replies about the Wearever shoes for the TL taken from the Advance Auto site:
(1)These park brake shoes don't fit the vehicle.Too large,excessive lining,linings too long,not arced.Vendor says there the only ones for this vehicle.You only have one other review and they said the same thing.I'm a 37 year ASE master technician with brakes certification in automotive and heavy duty trucks as well as a slew of others.I think I know what I'm talking about.It's late Saturday,the car is apart and I'm screwed. I even called the mfg's 800 number and they won't answer well before their closing time,(4:00 PM EST).You can bet I'll let a lot of people know.
(2)It is bigger than original pads
(1)These park brake shoes don't fit the vehicle.Too large,excessive lining,linings too long,not arced.Vendor says there the only ones for this vehicle.You only have one other review and they said the same thing.I'm a 37 year ASE master technician with brakes certification in automotive and heavy duty trucks as well as a slew of others.I think I know what I'm talking about.It's late Saturday,the car is apart and I'm screwed. I even called the mfg's 800 number and they won't answer well before their closing time,(4:00 PM EST).You can bet I'll let a lot of people know.
(2)It is bigger than original pads
OP: It's been documented in this forum that using other than OEM pads may cause this issue. You're not the only one that found this out the hard way.
Edit: MODS: Can you add a note to the first page of the DIY about this issue?
Something like "Note: Use of non-OEM pads has in some cases resulted in not being able to replace the rotor back on the hub due to the pads being too thick."
Edit: MODS: Can you add a note to the first page of the DIY about this issue?
Something like "Note: Use of non-OEM pads has in some cases resulted in not being able to replace the rotor back on the hub due to the pads being too thick."
Last edited by nfnsquared; Apr 6, 2014 at 07:45 PM.
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I will let them know my issue when I take them back. What is funny is that both the new rotor and brake shoes are the same brand. And still didn't work with each other.
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Auto Zone parts same as the Advance Auto. New parking brake shoes and the rotors will not fit. So they have not updated the specs on the parts so that they are compatible. I wonder if they are just not processing all the parking brake shoe returns and fixing the issue.
Went and bought Acura replacements and it all fit right together with no issues. Auto Zone parking brake shoes are going back!
How do these aftermarket parts companies claim their parts are direct replacements if they do not fit?
How do these aftermarket parts companies claim their parts are direct replacements if they do not fit?
I'll throw my .02c in.
Replaced my rear brakes 6 months ago with OEM parking brake shoes but CarQuest rotors.
It was a very, very, VERY tight fit getting them on. Needed a bit of, uhh.... persuasion from a 5lb mini sledge. But I'm pretty sure the rotors had a slight inner lip on them cuz once the rotors were fully seated on the hub they spun almost noise and resistance free- it was the lip rubbing on the shoes meat while getting them seated. So I decided to run with them, the meat would get worn down after some mileage.
Anyways, fast forward 6 months/3K miles later still running them ALMOST problem-free.
The only problem is when the car sits overnight in temps less than 20*F, the rotors must contract JUST enough and they literally freeze to the shoes! Takes a bit of rocking back and forth to finally break them free, then some slowww driving to slowly heat/expand the rotors up then i'm good to go.
It's not ideal, but at the time it was more ideal than my only other driveable car (2000 TL) had a rusted thru brake line, leaking fluid whenever I pressed the pedal.
Replaced my rear brakes 6 months ago with OEM parking brake shoes but CarQuest rotors.
It was a very, very, VERY tight fit getting them on. Needed a bit of, uhh.... persuasion from a 5lb mini sledge. But I'm pretty sure the rotors had a slight inner lip on them cuz once the rotors were fully seated on the hub they spun almost noise and resistance free- it was the lip rubbing on the shoes meat while getting them seated. So I decided to run with them, the meat would get worn down after some mileage.
Anyways, fast forward 6 months/3K miles later still running them ALMOST problem-free.
The only problem is when the car sits overnight in temps less than 20*F, the rotors must contract JUST enough and they literally freeze to the shoes! Takes a bit of rocking back and forth to finally break them free, then some slowww driving to slowly heat/expand the rotors up then i'm good to go.
It's not ideal, but at the time it was more ideal than my only other driveable car (2000 TL) had a rusted thru brake line, leaking fluid whenever I pressed the pedal.
OP: It's been documented in this forum that using other than OEM pads may cause this issue. You're not the only one that found this out the hard way.
Edit: MODS: Can you add a note to the first page of the DIY about this issue?
Something like "Note: Use of non-OEM pads has in some cases resulted in not being able to replace the rotor back on the hub due to the pads being too thick."
Edit: MODS: Can you add a note to the first page of the DIY about this issue?
Something like "Note: Use of non-OEM pads has in some cases resulted in not being able to replace the rotor back on the hub due to the pads being too thick."
A couple hours, I learned the lesson(s) the hard way - and I usually buy all OEM!
As Turbonut and nfnsquared stated earlier in 2014, the aftermarket's are just slightly too big. After loosening up the emergency brake to its limit, I can squeeze the new rotors on, but they won't turn; they're just too tight. And I'm not going to burn up new pads and rotors to break them in by force driving them.
** Fast-forward one week ** I finally got my Acura / Honda pads, and they went in perfectly with no problem.
Summary: If you're seeing this thread trying to figure out the parking brake pad situation, BUY THE OEM ACURA/HONDA PADS! They are more expensive, but they work and will save you time from having to redo them anyway!
As a note, for the 2002-2008 TL's (to my understanding), the parking brake pads are the same as the Honda 2003-2011 Element and 2002-2004 CRV (Honda Part No.: 43154-S47-N01) and I found them cheaper from a local Honda dealer than Acura (a real shocker, I know).
To elaborate further:
1) My parking brakes were shot at 135,000 miles for a 2007 TL-S...
2) Yes, I occasionally use the parking brake to slow the vehicle down at speed to keep the brake lights from turning on. There are some things I don't want to 'advertise' around certain authority vehicle(s) when at velocities above posted limits...
3) Based on AcuraZine member feedback, I replaced the rear brakes with:
- StopTech Slotted Cryo Rotors
- Akebono Ceramic Brake Pads
- [now] Honda Parking Brake Pads
I did this job over the weekend, and although I'm not promoting Non-OEM parts, I did have luck with non OEM shoes. If I knew, I def would have gone with OEM Shoes. The job is intimidating with all those springs and clips in there, but it can be done. Hope this helps someone in the future.
I did this job over the weekend, and although I'm not promoting Non-OEM parts, I did have luck with non OEM shoes. If I knew, I def would have gone with OEM Shoes. The job is intimidating with all those springs and clips in there, but it can be done. Hope this helps someone in the future.
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