5 quart of oil for my TL 06? Help Asap
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5 quart of oil for my TL 06? Help Asap
Guys I went to have a oil changed for my engine today when i ran in to pay and came back out the guy done poured 5 quart oil in my engine. What scare me now is normally I only used 4.7 quart of oil for my car and I asked him he said it okay to used 5 qt because it's v6 engine. I went home and check my manual book it said capacity for oil engine is 4.5 quart. Should i come back have and tell them to do it again? Any suggestion is appreciated.
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Guys I went to have a oil changed for my engine today when i ran in to pay and came back out the guy done poured 5 quart oil in my engine. What scare me now is normally I only used 4.7 quart of oil for my car and I asked him he said it okay to used 5 qt because it's v6 engine. I went home and check my manual book it said capacity for oil engine is 4.5 quart. Should i come back have and tell them to do it again? Any suggestion is appreciated.
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5 QT should be fine. 4.5 should be right in the middle of the MIN/MAX lines. 5 QT should be at the MAX line.
Assumes you don't burn oil between changes.
Assumes you don't burn oil between changes.
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Funny.. the dipsticks on both of my TL's ('04 and '05) read full, as in at the MAX line with 4.5 quarts and an M1-104 Mobil 1 filter.
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I took a picture of the owners manual and saw something very funny....
look at step 9 -last sentence i guess my engine is different from yours....
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Possible difference in filters? I am using the Honda S2K filter which has approx 7% - 8% more volume than the std TL/TL-S filter (not counting whatever media differences).
Regardless, I put in 4.5 qts after a good drain and it's pretty much deadnuts between the MIN/MAX fill lines.
Where does it say that? I though it said, basically, "follow the MID."?
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What Ive noticed on this website is that everyone does things differently!!! It may not be the way you or someone else does it but it doesnt make it wrong...
VINNIER6 and Bearcat94 I was being sarcastic when i said 3,000 mi or every three months... on a side note then how does the MIR determine when to change, TIME or MILES???
and all the picture was stating that if you put in the REQUIRED 4.5 quarts, why would step 9 even be listed...Sorry if i offended anyone
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Neither. It's based on driving conditions afaik. Mine was showing < 15% at slightly over 6,000 miles and those miles included driving from Washington state to Mississippi (3,400 miles). Mostly cruising 90mph on the freeways, occasional "spirited" runs up to 130+, and driving around random cities trying to find a good place to eat (including getting my car towed in El Paso, TX, haha).
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Neither. It's based on driving conditions afaik. Mine was showing < 15% at slightly over 6,000 miles and those miles included driving from Washington state to Mississippi (3,400 miles). Mostly cruising 90mph on the freeways, occasional "spirited" runs up to 130+, and driving around random cities trying to find a good place to eat (including getting my car towed in El Paso, TX, haha).
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Me too, me too! I always change (every 6 months) both oil and filter. I ALWAYS use 5 quarts. Never had any trouble from this. I asked the mechanic. at Acura. He said that the extra 1/2 quart was "Not enough to worry about" Also that the level of the oil in the pan wouldn't hardly change with just 1/2 quart more. So there.....
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You will "confuse" the MID with 15,000 mile oil - it'll count same as before.
There is a note in the Owners Manual about using Synthetic and/or High Mileage oils. It says something like: You can use them, but you must still follow the MID for Oil Change Intervals to maintain your warranty. Seriously. It's BS, but that's what it says (in so many words).
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Answer above is correct. It's some algorithm based on RPM, Temp, Time, other factors ().
You will "confuse" the MID with 15,000 mile oil - it'll count same as before.
There is a note in the Owners Manual about using Synthetic and/or High Mileage oils. It says something like: You can use them, but you must still follow the MID for Oil Change Intervals to maintain your warranty. Seriously. It's BS, but that's what it says (in so many words).
You will "confuse" the MID with 15,000 mile oil - it'll count same as before.
There is a note in the Owners Manual about using Synthetic and/or High Mileage oils. It says something like: You can use them, but you must still follow the MID for Oil Change Intervals to maintain your warranty. Seriously. It's BS, but that's what it says (in so many words).
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Gentlemen;
I am not hyjacking this thread. This question is closely related to the OP's subject.. I just wanted to throw it out to get other members' opinions.
When I purchased my '04 manual TL in July of '04, the spec books at the local auto parts stores listed the Mobil 1 replacement filter to be the M1-104. They also made mention of the M1-110 as an alternate.
In the last several years, the M1-104 recommendation has disappeared from these books and also from Mobil's website. A few weeks ago, I called Mobil and talked to someone about this and they said that the M1-110 was the recommended filter but that the M1-104 could also be used. So my question is this.
What is your opinion between these two filters and why?
I am not hyjacking this thread. This question is closely related to the OP's subject.. I just wanted to throw it out to get other members' opinions.
When I purchased my '04 manual TL in July of '04, the spec books at the local auto parts stores listed the Mobil 1 replacement filter to be the M1-104. They also made mention of the M1-110 as an alternate.
In the last several years, the M1-104 recommendation has disappeared from these books and also from Mobil's website. A few weeks ago, I called Mobil and talked to someone about this and they said that the M1-110 was the recommended filter but that the M1-104 could also be used. So my question is this.
What is your opinion between these two filters and why?
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Thought I'd add, check the diameter of each. Itried to fing the dimensions quickly on the net, but no success. I know Mobil 1 changed the sizes/applications because the filters were too large of a diameter and the exhaust was cooking the oil in the filter while at extended idle, though not on an Acura.
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Yes, the M1-104 has more girth (wider) than the M1-110. Basically what I am concerned about is two things. Filtering ability and oil pressure. Filtering is directly related to the filtering material; it's weave and surface area. Oil pressure can be affected by this material and also by the bypass valve. Clearly, Mobil recommends the M1-110 for the 3G TL. Just curious to get some opinions, that's all.
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That wasn't the salient point of my question.
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Gentlemen;
I am not hyjacking this thread. This question is closely related to the OP's subject.. I just wanted to throw it out to get other members' opinions.
When I purchased my '04 manual TL in July of '04, the spec books at the local auto parts stores listed the Mobil 1 replacement filter to be the M1-104. They also made mention of the M1-110 as an alternate.
In the last several years, the M1-104 recommendation has disappeared from these books and also from Mobil's website. A few weeks ago, I called Mobil and talked to someone about this and they said that the M1-110 was the recommended filter but that the M1-104 could also be used. So my question is this.
What is your opinion between these two filters and why?
I am not hyjacking this thread. This question is closely related to the OP's subject.. I just wanted to throw it out to get other members' opinions.
When I purchased my '04 manual TL in July of '04, the spec books at the local auto parts stores listed the Mobil 1 replacement filter to be the M1-104. They also made mention of the M1-110 as an alternate.
In the last several years, the M1-104 recommendation has disappeared from these books and also from Mobil's website. A few weeks ago, I called Mobil and talked to someone about this and they said that the M1-110 was the recommended filter but that the M1-104 could also be used. So my question is this.
What is your opinion between these two filters and why?
In the 2G TL/CL the Mobil match to the Honda OE filter was the M-104. Also, when initially launched (and still in some Honda/Acura parts guides) the original Honda filter was 15400-PLM-A01.
Sometime into the 3rd Gen production, Honda changed to the PLM-A02, which is a slightly smaller (volume-wise) and narrower version of the PLM-A01. I believe this is when the fitment guides began showing the M-110 as THE correct filter.
Whether or not the M-104 was a "match" to the PLM-A01 or simply carried over from the previous fitment guides, I don't know. But, like the M-104 v M-110, the PLM-A01 v the PLM-A02, there is a similar difference in "girth", with the newer filters being narrower.
My personal opinion is that Honda wanted to get all current mass-market/high volume cars on to single filter - the 15400-PLM-A02 - for cost savings, inventory control and simplicity. I do not think there was any over-riding engineering concern, etc. I think it was 100% manufacturing/cost effeciency.
What that would mean is that any previously specified filter (M-104, PLM-A01, etc) would work and fit properly, but was not the "recommeded" filter.
More to your question: I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most cloesly matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004.
If I were to run a Mobil filter, I'd probably choose the M-104 for the slight increase in volume (and presumably media volume/surface area) and be willing to assume that the bypass pressure is similar between the two.
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I won't be able to answer your question precisely, but offer a little bit of histroy and speculation on why the fitment went from M-104 to M-110.
In the 2G TL/CL the Mobil match to the Honda OE filter was the M-104. Also, when initially launched (and still in some Honda/Acura parts guides) the original Honda filter was 15400-PLM-A01.
Sometime into the 3rd Gen production, Honda changed to the PLM-A02, which is a slightly smaller (volume-wise) and narrower version of the PLM-A01. I believe this is when the fitment guides began showing the M-110 as THE correct filter.
Whether or not the M-104 was a "match" to the PLM-A01 or simply carried over from the previous fitment guides, I don't know. But, like the M-104 v M-110, the PLM-A01 v the PLM-A02, there is a similar difference in "girth", with the newer filters being narrower.
My personal opinion is that Honda wanted to get all current mass-market/high volume cars on to single filter - the 15400-PLM-A02 - for cost savings, inventory control and simplicity. I do not think there was any over-riding engineering concern, etc. I think it was 100% manufacturing/cost effeciency.
What that would mean is that any previously specified filter (M-104, PLM-A01, etc) would work and fit properly, but was not the "recommeded" filter.
More to your question: I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most cloesly matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004.
If I were to run a Mobil filter, I'd probably choose the M-104 for the slight increase in volume (and presumably media volume/surface area) and be willing to assume that the bypass pressure is similar between the two.
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In the 2G TL/CL the Mobil match to the Honda OE filter was the M-104. Also, when initially launched (and still in some Honda/Acura parts guides) the original Honda filter was 15400-PLM-A01.
Sometime into the 3rd Gen production, Honda changed to the PLM-A02, which is a slightly smaller (volume-wise) and narrower version of the PLM-A01. I believe this is when the fitment guides began showing the M-110 as THE correct filter.
Whether or not the M-104 was a "match" to the PLM-A01 or simply carried over from the previous fitment guides, I don't know. But, like the M-104 v M-110, the PLM-A01 v the PLM-A02, there is a similar difference in "girth", with the newer filters being narrower.
My personal opinion is that Honda wanted to get all current mass-market/high volume cars on to single filter - the 15400-PLM-A02 - for cost savings, inventory control and simplicity. I do not think there was any over-riding engineering concern, etc. I think it was 100% manufacturing/cost effeciency.
What that would mean is that any previously specified filter (M-104, PLM-A01, etc) would work and fit properly, but was not the "recommeded" filter.
More to your question: I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most cloesly matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004.
If I were to run a Mobil filter, I'd probably choose the M-104 for the slight increase in volume (and presumably media volume/surface area) and be willing to assume that the bypass pressure is similar between the two.
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A most succinct and lucid explanation.. but then again, I would have expected something like this from you, sir.
I suspected as much but wanted to get someone else's take on it. I have heard the concerns of the M1-104 filter begin dangerously close to, and even in line for, hitting the A-arm under extreme suspension travel, but a careful examination seems to reveal that this may not occur. So I suppose I'll continue to use this filter for both of my 3G TL's afterall.
Once again, thanks for a fine answer.
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I will see if I can find it later, but am in the middle of changing my rotors & pads back to stock (just taking a short beer break - ).
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You asked what the difference was, so I assumed you were speaking of filtering quality as that seems to be everyone's concern, so I responded accordingly, no realizing that wasn't your major concern. Didn't realize you were actually asking about the difference in length, diameter, number of pleats, capacity, etc.
Contrary to previous post, my understanding is that the A01 and A02 filters are the same size, but different manufacturers, A01 being Filtech and A02 being Honeywell/Fram, so still not certain as to why Mobil changed their designation. I guess the best way to resolve this dilemma is to acquire both filters and take some measurements, externally as well as internally, then you'll be able to tell us.
Contrary to previous post, my understanding is that the A01 and A02 filters are the same size, but different manufacturers, A01 being Filtech and A02 being Honeywell/Fram, so still not certain as to why Mobil changed their designation. I guess the best way to resolve this dilemma is to acquire both filters and take some measurements, externally as well as internally, then you'll be able to tell us.
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There is a thread around here where someone did break an over-sized filter in just such a manner. I don't know exactly which filter that was.
I will see if I can find it later, but am in the middle of changing my rotors & pads back to stock (just taking a short beer break - ).
I will see if I can find it later, but am in the middle of changing my rotors & pads back to stock (just taking a short beer break - ).
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You asked what the difference was, so I assumed you were speaking of filtering quality as that seems to be everyone's concern, so I responded accordingly, no realizing that wasn't your major concern. Didn't realize you were actually asking about the difference in length, diameter, number of pleats, capacity, etc.
Contrary to previous post, my understanding is that the A01 and A02 filters are the same size, but different manufacturers, A01 being Filtech and A02 being Honeywell/Fram, so still not certain as to why Mobil changed their designation. I guess the best way to resolve this dilemma is to acquire both filters and take some measurements, externally as well as internally, then you'll be able to tell us.
Contrary to previous post, my understanding is that the A01 and A02 filters are the same size, but different manufacturers, A01 being Filtech and A02 being Honeywell/Fram, so still not certain as to why Mobil changed their designation. I guess the best way to resolve this dilemma is to acquire both filters and take some measurements, externally as well as internally, then you'll be able to tell us.
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http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml
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Yeah, I swapped them for a track event, but the OE Rotors and Pads still have useful life, so I swapped them back in. And I'm a cheap bastard.
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"I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most closely matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004."
Bearcat94,
I just looked at my filter collection - 05 S2000 and 07 TL-S - and I'm amazed that you would run the PCX vice the PLM filter. The PLM just fits into the gasket area of the PCX. My take is that Honda determined that the PLM filter was adequate for the 3.5 engine to the degree there would be no warranty issues.
Bearcat94,
I just looked at my filter collection - 05 S2000 and 07 TL-S - and I'm amazed that you would run the PCX vice the PLM filter. The PLM just fits into the gasket area of the PCX. My take is that Honda determined that the PLM filter was adequate for the 3.5 engine to the degree there would be no warranty issues.
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"I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most closely matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004."
Bearcat94,
I just looked at my filter collection - 05 S2000 and 07 TL-S - and I'm amazed that you would run the PCX vice the PLM filter. The PLM just fits into the gasket area of the PCX. My take is that Honda determined that the PLM filter was adequate for the 3.5 engine to the degree there would be no warranty issues.
Bearcat94,
I just looked at my filter collection - 05 S2000 and 07 TL-S - and I'm amazed that you would run the PCX vice the PLM filter. The PLM just fits into the gasket area of the PCX. My take is that Honda determined that the PLM filter was adequate for the 3.5 engine to the degree there would be no warranty issues.
The old PLM-A01 filter was 1/8th inch smaller OD than the s2k filter, same height.
The PLM-A02 has also been found to be suitable for (All of which previously used the PLM-A01):
15400-PLM-A01 FILTER, OIL 15400-PLM-A02 :
MDX '03 - '09
RDX '07 - '09
RL '05 - '09
RSX '02 - '06
TL '04 - '08
TSX '04 - '09
MDX '03 - '09
RDX '07 - '09
RL '05 - '09
RSX '02 - '06
TL '04 - '08
TSX '04 - '09
As well as virtually every Honda model going back the at least one generation (Accords, CRV's, Odessey's, Ridgeline's, Civic's, Fit's, Element's, etc). All except the S2000.
IOW - the PLM-A02 was a mass substitute for nearly the entire Honda/Acura automotive/light truck line. Why? Engineering concerns? Unlikely, the substitution is too broad; too many engines, applications, etc. Cost is a much more likely reason, IMHO.
I am no expert and have no inside knowledge. I put the peices of the puzzle together in the way that made sense to me. I could be dead wrong. You (and others) have to decide on which filter is best for you.
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Guys I went to have a oil changed for my engine today when i ran in to pay and came back out the guy done poured 5 quart oil in my engine. What scare me now is normally I only used 4.7 quart of oil for my car and I asked him he said it okay to used 5 qt because it's v6 engine. I went home and check my manual book it said capacity for oil engine is 4.5 quart. Should i come back have and tell them to do it again? Any suggestion is appreciated.
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