massage oil at least!?!? NOTHING! I really think you should do the window weld, you might regret it if down the line it keeps mine from ever ripping again.

It's not the ripping that's keeping me from filling it. It's the fact I don't want that any more rigid then it already is. Hell I almost went with the softer type-s bushings in the first place. It seems to me that is one area where it's OK for it to be a little...softer.

I'll be spraying them down with some 303 like EG said.

I did not feel any adverse effects as far as the car being more harsh or anything. If anything, things felt a little more stable and rigid. Not harsh at ALL.

I get these put on tonight! Woot! I can't wait to feel the car after.

...and then?

Well, I dropped the car off at Honda at 5:30 along with the bushings and the endlinks. My hookup came out, I explained everything to him (bushing orientation, tighten when the suspension has load, these nuts go on the upper half of the endlinks, these go on the bottom, etc). Anyways, $150 and he said it'd take 3 hours. I told him I'd give him an extra $20 if he 1) took care of my wheels 2) got the toe on the alignment as close to 0 as possible. Not within spec, I mean zero. He said cool.

Then he asked me if I wanted a loaner. Now, this was an under the table deal so I was a bit surprised. Well, got an '11 Accord i4. Damn things rides like a Buick compared to the TL. But the i4 was more peppy then I thought it would be. So I went to a bar and had a few drinks.

He called me two hours later. He was already gone when I picked it up.

WOW. Feels like a new car again! I'm not sure how to quantify the difference really. And I always fear it's just in my head but...

1) The car stays straight. It doesn't veer left or right when I hit bumps or undulations in the road anymore.
2) I lost that slight vibration around 70MPH.
3) Am I dreaming or is my steering wheel more "solid"?
4) Am I dreaming or is my torque steer actually a bit better?
5) Am I dreaming or is my car braking a bit "straighter"?

Anyways, considering I didn't have to do any work and it was only $150 I can't complain one bit!

Nice. If you think about what compliance bushings do, everything you said makes perfect sense. Their job is to limit the movement of the wheel fore & aft relative to the chassis. When you brake, the wheels pull rearward and slow the car. When you throttle, the wheels pull forward and accelerate the car. If these two bushings aren't in proper condition (or the same condition left to right), this wheel movement will be uneven causing all the conditions you described.

Cool. It's not all in my head then.

One thing I forgot to tell him, I wanted the old bushings back! I wanted to see how bad they were and post pictures! Oh well.

I think this is another one of those services that probably gets ignored often. IMO, if you are '06 or before, take a look at these the next time you have your wheels off. It's worth it. Seriously, my wifes new Civic drives straight and solid. My TL felt sloppy compared. I actually thought my steering rack was questionable. Not anymore.

I am planning on asking Acura if they can cover these under warranty being that I am sitting at 95k right now and I bought the car a while back as a certified used. All of my lower control arm bushings are cracked including all motor and tranny mounts being weak. Hopefully, they can work something out at least cover it or give me a massive discount.

I am posting this here first, because I want people who have been active on this issue to see it first and get the first chance to take us up on it.


THESE PARTS ARE IN THE PRODUCTION PROCESS NOW. They WILL be made. This is your chance to get a deal on them.

What kind of durability will these spherical bearings have on a daily-driver that is subjected to adverse weather conditions? Do these spherical bearings have dust caps/boots?

Also, if these are being made to TSX spec, they will also fit the LCAs of 03-07 Accords.

The durability is on the very high end. These parts have already been in service on numerous street and race cars of other application. There is no gamble with these parts!

We would assume yes they will fit the Accords as well.

Does Pro Car Innovations have a website? Is there any more product information available online?

Not much to speak of, but google will reveal that A) This not a new concept, and B) The product is tried and true on other applications.

If you need more product info I can answer any questions you have.

Sphericals definitely impact ride quality in a negative way. So buyers be aware.

That is a pretty broad statement there. Yea, a car where you replace all links with bearings is going to fell hard as a rock. But you need to keep in perspective of where these are being located in the suspension. First off they are in the front meaning they will have dramatically less impact on the ride than if they were in the rear. Secondly, these are not located linearly with the damper where road inputs will be directly transmitted. There will be a more direct road feel but we are not anticipating a severe ride impact at all. If anything, things should be sharpened up quite a bit.

See this brief review:
http://forums..com/showthread.php?t=575415

Bump guys...I wanted to give the followers of this thread first crack. In a few days I need to open it up to the rest of the forums.

What are the down sides, list as many as you can think of if possible.

I replaced my bushings about 5 months ago and one is already going bad once again. I will most likely order these when I get home tonight. I just want to know any down sides so I know what to expect and don't want to be shocked and say that it sucks lol. I understand a harsher ride, but slammed and on stretched 19s that doesn't even matter anymore. I'd take the harsh ride than the slight uncontrollable feeling I get sometimes.

Also, Marcus your link was blocked so it's not clickable.

Downsides:

*Cost more than regular replacement bushings.
*You will get more road feel...some might call this a downside, but most enthusiasts won't.
*If you already replaced your bushings, you will need to do it again.

I think the upsides out-weigh the downsides myself. I am not sure where you guys are getting "harsher ride" from. The first respondent was speaking in generalities, and you sound like you are assuming it will be harsher. We have posted up a reviewer who said the ride really was not impacted. Don't confuse "you can feel everything on the road" with "the car bounces and hops all over and feels harsher than before." Road feel is a good thing.

Thanks for the heads up on the link...that's why I did post the quote.

my TL is currently at the dealer, trying to get this covered under my extended warranty, will find out later today. have a 2012 MDX as a loaner

no luck on getting the bushings replaced under warranty. even though mines looks like the OP, Acura said the bushings look normal cause its where the bushing flexes and its seen in every TL, which is considered normal

Is this 15% off limited to 10 TL kits, or just first ten kits sold? I would be more inclined to try these on my Tsx, then later on upgrade the TL.

The TSX and TL appear to be the same parts actually.

which compli. bushings did you purchase?

HI Did you ever Replace your bushings?

I checked out some guys in Hamilton NJ, some Cyprian guys who have a garage, and they told me they could do the work,

I am wondering how did you car feel?

my TL does not feel horrible but if the road is bumpy I feel the grooves on the Road,

Talk to you soon.
oh Where Are YOu from in GReece.

The FLP bearings are getting picked up this week! Excited!

Has anybody had any luck getting these replaced under powertrain warranty? I just checked mine and they are cracked on both sides. My warranty expires on 8/30. I have an 06 with 46k.

In for the pricing

Just got off the phone with acura client services and they are not covered under powertrain. That's pretty weak, but at least I didn't waste my time going to the dealer to find that out. Looks like another fun DIY!

I'm going to have my bushings inspected tomorrow.
How many of the 10 spots are filled?
Can I get a spot saved, I will have a better idea after my bushings get looked at tomorrow.

I know for a fact that lot of the VW guys upgrade their failing control arm bushings for solid ones from Audi TT/Golf R32. Wonder if anyone knows diameter of VW's control arm bushing. The Acura uses 75mm across, 60mm high and 14mm opening for bolt. If VW/Audi solid bushing is the same size that would be the best and cheapest upgrade for Honda/Acura.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ushing-upgrade

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ol-arm-bushing

http://www.gti-vr6.net/library/suspe...hing_rear.html

I hava a feeling VW bushings are around 55mm, which is substantially smaller than Honda's (75mm). Anyway, that was just my idea, it appears it won't work for our cars.

Bad bushings:

Replacement:
http://vimeo.com/35783863

do you think these bearing will fit the 8th generation accord cs2 chassis?I would think the arms are the same as the 3rd gen TL

So how many have been ordered and what is the updated list for these?

thanks

We got 10 in, shipped all backorders, I think there are 4 left.

so i've been experiencing an issue with feeling all road imperfections. BAsically the symptoms of this bad comp. bushing.

While my car was on level ground, I turned the wheel and stuck a pry bar under the control arm and was able to move it up and down about .5 of an inch.

I took a video but after seeing it, you might not be able to see its movement.
Although you can see the tear on the side. This vid is of the left side.
Tear and movement is identical on the right side.

I might just end up buying two control arms and changing it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC-qr...ature=youtu.be

just need someones opinion if this looks bad.

thanks

btw..06 auto w/ 125k miles

Would this bushing cause a shimmy in the steering wheel at high speeds? I bought my TL in May '07 with 24k miles on it and somewhere around the mid 40k area I started getting high speed vibrations above 75MPH. I took it to the dealer and they said I had a bent wheel so I eventually picked up some 18" Axis wheels with brand new tires, vibration still there. Took it back to the dealer and they insisted nothing was wrong. That was years ago and I've just been dealing with it ever since.

I just recently got brand new tires mounted and balanced and an alignment at the dealer, and the vibrations STILL persist. I can visibly see the steering wheel shimmying at times but it tends to come and go even in the same 40 mile trip to work. After so many sets of wheels/tires etc. I fail to see how it can be a balancing/wheel issue at this point.

This is the one nagging issue that has completely ruined my experience with the TL because otherwise I love the car, even with 130k on the clock. It's just not practical for me to purchase another car when I drive 400 miles per week for work and I want to keep it for at least another 2-3 years (maybe even longer if there are no major issues) so it would be nice to get rid of this issue and enjoy the car a bit more. Thanks!

do you think these will fit the 8th gen accord? they should be the same as a 3rd gen tl and 7th gen accord???

Here is what my bushings look like with almost 131k miles. I'll have to figure out where there is a shop around here who can press the new bushings in or maybe just buy new LCA's.