What is next? Need power... $1,500
09-13-2011, 08:03 PM
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What is next? Need power... $1,500
Hey guys - TL is a 6MT 05 daily driver... I put about 20K on her per year while my 500+hp Viper GTS sits in the garage for fair weather days. I want a little more power... I have a custom Turbo Trix CAI, ASPEC 18's, Slotted and cross drilled rotors, Tsudo SS exhaust, Comptech 24mm rear sway, Poly greaseable busihings, I'm going to be lowering the car soon with Eibach Pro kit that's been collecting dust for a while.... Looking for a little more POWER for the daily drive while retaining reliability... is there any suggestions for about $1K to 1.5K?? or should I just stick with what I got.
09-13-2011, 08:28 PM
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Jpipe, Precat Deletes/High flow cat.
Do a search for these things in this subforum and you will find yourself with a wealth of knowledge.
Do a search for these things in this subforum and you will find yourself with a wealth of knowledge.
09-13-2011, 08:36 PM
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pics of your viper, please!
with that being said, you probably dont care for emissions.
grab the PCD's from RV6.
These pre-cat-deletes replaces your cats with straight pipes.
about $465, i think.
then grab the RV6 v3 Jpipe. $470.
then you'll want a light weight pulley. $120 i believe.
i would then get the Engine Torque Damper. around $120
also you could lighten your ride by taking out weights and anchors.
with that being said, you probably dont care for emissions.
grab the PCD's from RV6.
These pre-cat-deletes replaces your cats with straight pipes.
about $465, i think.
then grab the RV6 v3 Jpipe. $470.
then you'll want a light weight pulley. $120 i believe.
i would then get the Engine Torque Damper. around $120
also you could lighten your ride by taking out weights and anchors.
09-13-2011, 09:43 PM
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Exhaust stuff makes a significant change in these cars, probably more than anything else short of a supercharger.
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09-13-2011, 10:29 PM
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The biggest bang short of a SC is the hi flow or deleted cats. The TL uses very restrictive cats to get the smog status it has, removing those or getting hi flow versions ( about twice as much $$$) will add around 20 HP. Free up the rest of the exhaust ( j pipe,3rd cat delete) and you should net another 15-20 HP. Most other power mods are big $$ small power increase like underdrive pulley, Pnp intake and TB heat spacer.
09-13-2011, 10:58 PM
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I have the PCD's, the RV6 J-pipe and an XLR8 exhaust and the gains were very noticeable, especially in the 60MPH-100MPH range. I have the 5AT transmission though. All of this is on my 2008 TL Type-S 3.5L which supposedly has 286HP from the factory. I'm wondering if I've hit over 300HP now.
I do have one question though. If I keep my PCD's, the RV6 J-pipe as well as the mid-muffler delete and replace the XLR8 mufflers with the stock muffler setup (the part from the mid-muffler back for both setups) am I going to lose a huge amount of HP? The XLR8 exhaust is very loud but I'm don't want to lose 10HP or so if I put the stock mufflers back on. The squished 2.5" tubing which splits into the smaller tubing is quite small indeed. I don't know that if between this and the mufflers if I'm looking at serious restriction.
Any ideas on HP loss?
I do have one question though. If I keep my PCD's, the RV6 J-pipe as well as the mid-muffler delete and replace the XLR8 mufflers with the stock muffler setup (the part from the mid-muffler back for both setups) am I going to lose a huge amount of HP? The XLR8 exhaust is very loud but I'm don't want to lose 10HP or so if I put the stock mufflers back on. The squished 2.5" tubing which splits into the smaller tubing is quite small indeed. I don't know that if between this and the mufflers if I'm looking at serious restriction.
Any ideas on HP loss?
09-13-2011, 11:03 PM
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I have the PCD's, the RV6 J-pipe and an XLR8 exhaust and the gains were very noticeable, especially in the 60MPH-100MPH range. I have the 5AT transmission though. All of this is on my 2008 TL Type-S 3.5L which supposedly has 286HP from the factory. I'm wondering if I've hit over 300HP now.
I do have one question though. If I keep my PCD's, the RV6 J-pipe as well as the mid-muffler delete and replace the XLR8 mufflers with the stock muffler setup (the part from the mid-muffler back for both setups) am I going to lose a huge amount of HP? The XLR8 exhaust is very loud but I'm don't want to lose 10HP or so if I put the stock mufflers back on. The squished 2.5" tubing which splits into the smaller tubing is quite small indeed. I don't know that if between this and the mufflers if I'm looking at serious restriction.
Any ideas on HP loss?
I do have one question though. If I keep my PCD's, the RV6 J-pipe as well as the mid-muffler delete and replace the XLR8 mufflers with the stock muffler setup (the part from the mid-muffler back for both setups) am I going to lose a huge amount of HP? The XLR8 exhaust is very loud but I'm don't want to lose 10HP or so if I put the stock mufflers back on. The squished 2.5" tubing which splits into the smaller tubing is quite small indeed. I don't know that if between this and the mufflers if I'm looking at serious restriction.
Any ideas on HP loss?
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09-14-2011, 10:13 PM
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Hey guys - TL is a 6MT 05 daily driver... I put about 20K on her per year while my 500+hp Viper GTS sits in the garage for fair weather days. I want a little more power... I have a custom Turbo Trix CAI, ASPEC 18's, Slotted and cross drilled rotors, Tsudo SS exhaust, Comptech 24mm rear sway, Poly greaseable busihings, I'm going to be lowering the car soon with Eibach Pro kit that's been collecting dust for a while.... Looking for a little more POWER for the daily drive while retaining reliability... is there any suggestions for about $1K to 1.5K?? or should I just stick with what I got.
And of course I will also say to you, NICE CARS!!
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09-15-2011, 02:57 PM
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I can't believe you all are sweatin that Viper...
For $1500 you can buy almost every power bolt on for the TL minus an exhaust...
For $1500 you can buy almost every power bolt on for the TL minus an exhaust...
09-16-2011, 01:49 AM
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The biggest bang short of a SC is the hi flow or deleted cats. The TL uses very restrictive cats to get the smog status it has, removing those or getting hi flow versions ( about twice as much $$$) will add around 20 HP. Free up the rest of the exhaust ( j pipe,3rd cat delete) and you should net another 15-20 HP. Most other power mods are big $$ small power increase like underdrive pulley, Pnp intake and TB heat spacer.
(a little reading can't hurt)
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09-16-2011, 08:52 AM
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09-16-2011, 11:16 AM
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lol I was just messing. I don't care I figured you were just trying to pull my leg. Back to the OP's question.
^ I'd suggest this too. The first 2 are no brainers.
with that being said, you probably dont care for emissions.
grab the PCD's from RV6.
These pre-cat-deletes replaces your cats with straight pipes.
about $465, i think.
then grab the RV6 v3 Jpipe. $470.
then you'll want a light weight pulley. $120 i believe.
i would then get the Engine Torque Damper. around $120
also you could lighten your ride by taking out weights and anchors.
grab the PCD's from RV6.
These pre-cat-deletes replaces your cats with straight pipes.
about $465, i think.
then grab the RV6 v3 Jpipe. $470.
then you'll want a light weight pulley. $120 i believe.
i would then get the Engine Torque Damper. around $120
also you could lighten your ride by taking out weights and anchors.
09-16-2011, 11:39 AM
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OP i know the trend is towards the jpipe + pcd's but there is what i would do:
1> Get a KNN air filter and delete the intake resonator($50)
2> Get moores performance TB spacer ($50)
3> Get coolant bypass ($0)
4> Get your manifold and runners ported and polished (~$350)
5> Get your TB bored out ($100)
6> Get P2R thermal spacers for TB and Manifold ($100)
7> Get a lightweight UR Crank pulley ($250)
8> Get PCD's ($400)
9> Get Engine mounts ($250)
10> UCM (Ultimate cooling Mod) ($0)
Thats like $1550....
Next you need to get a jpipe and exhaust and you will be good to go....Jpipe + Exhaust is usually $1500+ itself....
1> Get a KNN air filter and delete the intake resonator($50)
2> Get moores performance TB spacer ($50)
3> Get coolant bypass ($0)
4> Get your manifold and runners ported and polished (~$350)
5> Get your TB bored out ($100)
6> Get P2R thermal spacers for TB and Manifold ($100)
7> Get a lightweight UR Crank pulley ($250)
8> Get PCD's ($400)
9> Get Engine mounts ($250)
10> UCM (Ultimate cooling Mod) ($0)
Thats like $1550....
Next you need to get a jpipe and exhaust and you will be good to go....Jpipe + Exhaust is usually $1500+ itself....
09-17-2011, 07:21 PM
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I must say the TL is one of my favorite cars ever owned, it is a very well rounded machine.
OK... So here is what I am thinking for starters.
1) J Pipe
2) PCD's
3) Pulley
My question is... Is the car going to be really loud with PCD mod and J pipe with the catback... I am still looking for a certain level of driveability.
Thanks for all the comments and discussion for mods.
09-17-2011, 07:22 PM
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OP i know the trend is towards the jpipe + pcd's but there is what i would do:
1> Get a KNN air filter and delete the intake resonator($50)
2> Get moores performance TB spacer ($50)
3> Get coolant bypass ($0)
4> Get your manifold and runners ported and polished (~$350)
5> Get your TB bored out ($100)
6> Get P2R thermal spacers for TB and Manifold ($100)
7> Get a lightweight UR Crank pulley ($250)
8> Get PCD's ($400)
9> Get Engine mounts ($250)
10> UCM (Ultimate cooling Mod) ($0)
Thats like $1550....
Next you need to get a jpipe and exhaust and you will be good to go....Jpipe + Exhaust is usually $1500+ itself....
1> Get a KNN air filter and delete the intake resonator($50)
2> Get moores performance TB spacer ($50)
3> Get coolant bypass ($0)
4> Get your manifold and runners ported and polished (~$350)
5> Get your TB bored out ($100)
6> Get P2R thermal spacers for TB and Manifold ($100)
7> Get a lightweight UR Crank pulley ($250)
8> Get PCD's ($400)
9> Get Engine mounts ($250)
10> UCM (Ultimate cooling Mod) ($0)
Thats like $1550....
Next you need to get a jpipe and exhaust and you will be good to go....Jpipe + Exhaust is usually $1500+ itself....
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09-17-2011, 07:57 PM
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Half of this, actually most of this list is useless. K'n filter is not going to do that much, even intakes won't. Tb spacers hurt performance (read on a thread from someone reputable, think it was IHC), coolant by pass, maybe. This isn't like a civic where people port and polish their manifolds without running more serious supporting mods. Motor mounts? How does that help in performance wise for the money ratio, tad less wheel hop?
Honestly op just get the jpipe and pcd, there's a trend because it works for so many, I just ordered mine.
Honestly op just get the jpipe and pcd, there's a trend because it works for so many, I just ordered mine.
OP i know the trend is towards the jpipe + pcd's but there is what i would do:
1> Get a KNN air filter and delete the intake resonator($50)
2> Get moores performance TB spacer ($50)
3> Get coolant bypass ($0)
4> Get your manifold and runners ported and polished (~$350)
5> Get your TB bored out ($100)
6> Get P2R thermal spacers for TB and Manifold ($100)
7> Get a lightweight UR Crank pulley ($250)
8> Get PCD's ($400)
9> Get Engine mounts ($250)
10> UCM (Ultimate cooling Mod) ($0)
Thats like $1550....
Next you need to get a jpipe and exhaust and you will be good to go....Jpipe + Exhaust is usually $1500+ itself....
1> Get a KNN air filter and delete the intake resonator($50)
2> Get moores performance TB spacer ($50)
3> Get coolant bypass ($0)
4> Get your manifold and runners ported and polished (~$350)
5> Get your TB bored out ($100)
6> Get P2R thermal spacers for TB and Manifold ($100)
7> Get a lightweight UR Crank pulley ($250)
8> Get PCD's ($400)
9> Get Engine mounts ($250)
10> UCM (Ultimate cooling Mod) ($0)
Thats like $1550....
Next you need to get a jpipe and exhaust and you will be good to go....Jpipe + Exhaust is usually $1500+ itself....
Last edited by usmarinedelta; 09-17-2011 at 08:00 PM.
09-17-2011, 08:19 PM
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Half of this, actually most of this list is useless. K'n filter is not going to do that much, even intakes won't. Tb spacers hurt performance (read on a thread from someone reputable, think it was IHC), coolant by pass, maybe. This isn't like a civic where people port and polish their manifolds without running more serious supporting mods. Motor mounts? How does that help in performance wise for the money ratio, tad less wheel hop?
Honestly op just get the jpipe and pcd, there's a trend because it works for so many, I just ordered mine.
Honestly op just get the jpipe and pcd, there's a trend because it works for so many, I just ordered mine.
09-17-2011, 09:03 PM
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The ultimate cooling mod is the cutting of your window grills, do a search on it.
Here's part of my support:
Here's part of my support:
I had a lengthy conversation with P2R over the phone and I learned a lot. After extensive testing they found that with full cat deletes and the high flow of the PnP'd setup, you will lose massive top end HP while only gaining a small amount of low end TQ from the MDX/Ridgeline spacer. This is however not true with a Tl which isnt a total free flow exhaust w/no work done... as the low end gain would not yield a severe loss in top end. For this reason, the spacer will be coming off of my car when these PnP'd parts go on. These guys know their stuff and play with the J32 ALL DAY on their own Dyno so ill trust that over spending double the amount on 2 separate dyno sessions.
09-18-2011, 12:41 PM
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With the jpipe and pcd's your just opening up the restrictions in your exhaust and NOT making any new power....the ECU keeps your AFR constant, the more air the more fuel the more power you MAKE....the only reason I wrote until the PCD's is coz its keeps your exhaust options open....I went true dual and if you get the jpipe, your closing that option...I would suggest you do intake side mods and then exhaust side mods....just my 
so you just read what people say and do not research ?...I am fully bolted in and looking into PnP-ing internals/cams/pistons/springs/retainers/etc so dont write checks your ass cant cash
you just read something and started spreading it around....we are talking about 2 different parts....I mentioned about Moores Performance spacer which is like a P2R TB spacer only wider (1" as compared to 3/4" and a 70mm wide diameter as compared to 65mm)...the part Andy (Gerzand) is mentioning is the MDX spacer and I didnt put that in the list as I still have to dyno with and without the spacer to spread the news "ohhh get a spacer, its awesome"....
here you go bud:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/ultimate-cooling-mod-739098/
again cutting your part of the window grille ? you prolly just read couple post and started spreading the news....
usmarinedelta and TLinNOVA please do your research before your post guys....someone might just take that advice and mess something up....
Half of this, actually most of this list is useless. K'n filter is not going to do that much, even intakes won't. Tb spacers hurt performance (read on a thread from someone reputable, think it was IHC), coolant by pass, maybe. This isn't like a civic where people port and polish their manifolds without running more serious supporting mods. Motor mounts? How does that help in performance wise for the money ratio, tad less wheel hop?
Honestly op just get the jpipe and pcd, there's a trend because it works for so many, I just ordered mine.
Honestly op just get the jpipe and pcd, there's a trend because it works for so many, I just ordered mine.
you just read something and started spreading it around....we are talking about 2 different parts....I mentioned about Moores Performance spacer which is like a P2R TB spacer only wider (1" as compared to 3/4" and a 70mm wide diameter as compared to 65mm)...the part Andy (Gerzand) is mentioning is the MDX spacer and I didnt put that in the list as I still have to dyno with and without the spacer to spread the news "ohhh get a spacer, its awesome"....
here you go bud:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/ultimate-cooling-mod-739098/
usmarinedelta and TLinNOVA please do your research before your post guys....someone might just take that advice and mess something up....
09-18-2011, 04:50 PM
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With the jpipe and pcd's your just opening up the restrictions in your exhaust and NOT making any new power....the ECU keeps your AFR constant, the more air the more fuel the more power you MAKE....the only reason I wrote until the PCD's is coz its keeps your exhaust options open....I went true dual and if you get the jpipe, your closing that option...I would suggest you do intake side mods and then exhaust side mods....just my
so you just read what people say and do not research ?...I am fully bolted in and looking into PnP-ing internals/cams/pistons/springs/retainers/etc so dont write checks your ass cant cash
you just read something and started spreading it around....we are talking about 2 different parts....I mentioned about Moores Performance spacer which is like a P2R TB spacer only wider (1" as compared to 3/4" and a 70mm wide diameter as compared to 65mm)...the part Andy (Gerzand) is mentioning is the MDX spacer and I didnt put that in the list as I still have to dyno with and without the spacer to spread the news "ohhh get a spacer, its awesome"....
here you go bud:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=739098
again cutting your part of the window grille ? you prolly just read couple post and started spreading the news....
usmarinedelta and TLinNOVA please do your research before your post guys....someone might just take that advice and mess something up....
so you just read what people say and do not research ?...I am fully bolted in and looking into PnP-ing internals/cams/pistons/springs/retainers/etc so dont write checks your ass cant cash
you just read something and started spreading it around....we are talking about 2 different parts....I mentioned about Moores Performance spacer which is like a P2R TB spacer only wider (1" as compared to 3/4" and a 70mm wide diameter as compared to 65mm)...the part Andy (Gerzand) is mentioning is the MDX spacer and I didnt put that in the list as I still have to dyno with and without the spacer to spread the news "ohhh get a spacer, its awesome"....
here you go bud:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=739098
again cutting your part of the window grille ? you prolly just read couple post and started spreading the news....
usmarinedelta and TLinNOVA please do your research before your post guys....someone might just take that advice and mess something up....