I have searched for hours on this TBS. I have heard bad and good, but mostly bad. I want to clear this up.

I have heard the TBS actually created lost HP and TQ.

I have heard it increased HP and TQ.

WHAT IS THE REAL DEAL?

 

Throttle body spacer? Complete and utter waste of money.

 

Not sure I agree. What about Blacura's car gaining 10whp from stock with a pulley(not sure if it is underdriven or not, but if it is it gives 1-2 max and if not 0), p2r tb spacer, im gasket, and CAI. If what many on Azine try to preach, that CAIs give 1-2whpMAX, is correct then where is the rest of the 6-8 whp coming from? Here's a link to the post: https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...97&postcount=1

 

I can tell you where it's not coming from.

You can't add it up that way, it won't work.

The only way to see what it gives you is to install it by itself on the same day on the same dyno. +-5hp is well within the dyno error range.

 

This is the internet; there is no truth, only opinion.


Blackura's car got that 10 WHP from the CAI and Pulley (plus/minus dyno variation). imo.

TBS = near zero change. imo.


Group buy thread has dyno chart: https://acurazine.com/forums/sponsored-sales-group-buys-10/p2r-throttle-body-spacer-thermal-gaskets-plenums-excelerate-372856/

 

So again, this is a waste of money correct? lol...

 

It seems as though measured hp is like measuring your blood pressure, it almost never the same from one reading to another. So unless your in a climate controlled environment and calibrate the dyno to some known standard before each run, then much of 10hp can be eaten up by drift and or by the car just being a bit different.

 

I dont chime in very often. But IHC you know what a tunnel ram is I'm sure. Same concept smaller scale. I make TB spacers mani spacers for all types of cars f23"s to LS7"s you name it I have made spacers for it. There is a benefit but you must calculate runner length and size. There is software out there I use it It takes cubic in and all the perimeters into consideration and tells you what length and size everything should be. The TL and by TL I mean J series in general, takes different sizes depending on your set up.... For example If you have a stock unported mani and lower tubes you should have a 1/4 in mani spacer and a 1" TB spacer. If you have a ported TB Mani and lower tubes. You will need 1.25 TB spacer 3/4 in mani spacer. But you also have to tune your exhaust............ We mess around with alot of these things because we use alot of these motors in sand rails they have to pass and be reliable you break in the dunes it sucks. That is why I have learned to use this type of free power. Just some food for thought.

 

i think of TBS as bling that it...installed mine and it did shit...just added some bling thats all

 

I heard p2r's tbs sometimes help break AEM CAI's mounting bracket because it's pushing the intake out more while adding more force to the vibramount

 

The TBS doesn't create any power or add any power, what it does is help keep the power there for a longer period as it helps reduce the temperature of the air intake (works better for CAI's versus the stock intake).

IMO, the INTAKE MANIFOLD SPACER is the way to go, it keeps it MUCH cooler!

 

Technical Service Bulletins are the truth!

 

OP- I changed the title to your thread so when the next person who comes along and searches this topic it will be easier. Hope you don't mind.

 

im also intressted in the intake manifold spacer, I just dont have a torque wrench so ive been putting it off for a while now..

Ill get anything for this car that decreases heatsoak.

I already have the p2r throttolbody spacer. dont know if it helps or not but i hope it does

The far best thing i did is doing the Semi Ultimate cooling mode ( what we call it here on AZine) and it does wonders.

i think the manifold spacer would compliment as well.

by the way "i hate cars" any progress on that thermostat swap ???

 

You still didn't offer a theory as to how you think it can benefit a fuel injected car.

 

I'm sure you can find someone that would lend you a torque wrench and help you with the install. Your gonna need some help lifting that heavy manifold up. Actually this is best done as a 3 person job so 2 people can lift up the manifold and align it correctly on the way back down while you replace the gasket with the spacer.

 

My experiance with TBS's are ok...ive never had one on my tl. but on other cars. sometimes you step on it and you can feel and hear em working. for a nice one with gaskets it'll be like 100 bucks...you know its an easy fun lil mod....and the theroy of one makes since....but one guy on here is right...the only way to see if one mod hels is to dyno evey mod at once....then i would want to do it twice....then with the TBS and how it only works some times...id want to do it more


well after all my 06 tl is stock and my firts mod is going to be the cheap and easy TBS.

 

I hate cars, I tried to pm you with some questions, no dice...your box is full lol...

Hey man, what's up. Since your the person I trust on here, I am wondering some questions.

I have the full comptech cat back exhaust, It is very quiet. I want to remove the mid muffler they placed on it to gain more sound. What do you think of this?

Also, I am wondering when I should change the timing belt. I have a 2006 with 115,000 KILOMETERS (Canadian)

let me know bro..thanks!

 

i changed mine at 90,000 miles. so about 140-150,000 kilometers?

 

nice this thread helped me out a lot. im going mani spacer. OP hope ur with me on this one.

 

LOL, yeah you can hear the "whistle".

It's a bling mod. Nothing more.

 

I missed this thread. How funny, I didn't know people still spend money on these BS mods. If you get the TBS, might as well buy the chip to go along with it.

 

I say "nay".

 

 

i changed mine at 110k (USA)

 

The engineers that build these cars kinda know what they are doing. Seems to me if a TBS does what it says it will do, it would have been added in the original design. Who wouldn't want better numbers on their sales spec. sheet.

 

Then they would also do proper ram air intakes, more free flowing exhausts, etc. But they are limited by federal emission/noise standards and the average joe blow doesn't care if he gets another 5 hp at 5500 rpm or 5 lb-ft torque at 3000 rpm. They want soft smooth shifts so engineers can't design the the transmission for faster and firmer shifts in the typical sedan even if it is somewhat sporty. Everything they do is a compromise based on the intended use of the typical buyer.

That doesn't mean a TBS will do anything on these cars, but carb spacers absolutely can help. And so can setting up the carburetor correctly in the first place. The intake manifold design is more important than moving a carburetor or throttle body out an extra inch.

 

If you want results, try harder.

 

Care to enlighten me on the 'semi ultimate cooling mode'

 

If you're installing a TB spacer, but you're not also installing a Tornado in your air intact tract, you're doing it wrong.

 

For Even more HP, Install the faux turbo Stu-tutututu while your at it!

 

Wow that was helpful guys! After hours of reading I seen someone mention customizing the wiper cowl to let more heat escape. Thanks anyways lol