I just bought my car, and I'm very interested in forced induction. But I will admit I'm clueless. Any information you can give on the process and what I will need to complete the process would be great (for both the turbo and the sc)

 

I know you are new here, but since you are clueless; I suggest you read as much as you can. A good thread to start on is Suoerchargers chime in (IIRC).

 

same thing EvilVirus said - here is the direct link to the thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/perform...-chime-902672/

It's hilarious but filled with some great information.

1) Don't plan on high boost with a stock motor, or with the standard Comptech blower. Neither will be able to do what you want.

2) Plan to spray meth

3) As a general rule, it's best to never do anything that KingKongDave says.

 

I would also talk to MAS on here. He's been reliably running a CT supercharger with high boost pulley with a meth setup for some time now. You can check out his build thread in the Photo Gallery section.

P.S. I Love Cars i just read through the entire NA build thread and 3.7 mani swap thread and I wanted to thank you for the oodles of info

 

well its a automatic so I wouldn't be chomping at the bit to do this mod. I can think of many different mods to do to the TL with 4-5 grand

 

this is another discussion but you are right - I didn't want to stomp his dreams with the realities of the autotragic slushbox with horrible gearing

4-5 grand would buy a lot of really nice show mods.

I tried modding a 5AT long ago. Then I got smart and bought a 6mt type-s and swapped everything over lol

 

4th gear is the devil lawl. Found that out the other night. Now I know that when people said 4th is brick wall on the 5AT they weren't kidding lol.

 

From someone who has run a SC on the TL, I recommend it highly. It will not be an instant 100 HP but, with some exhaust mods it will be fun. With no other mods you will get 50-60 HP bump and a nice whine. As you add mods you can add another 50 HP with a free flowing exhaust. I would stay away from the quoted thread as it's a morons journey into Forced induction. There are other threads that paint a more accurate picture but, you will mostly find people who have never seen a SC in person much less run one bashing it. I feel like this is the best bang for the buck for a noticeable and worth while increase in power for the TL. This car is expensive to mod so plan on putting 4-5k towards the SC to get running in stock form ( using a used SC )and 3k more to get the full potential from it.

Feel free to private message me any questions you have if your serious.

 

OP, to add a little to this, it might be wiser to move away from the automatic to a 6MT. That's not saying you can't boost the automatic, but the 6MT is just a little quicker right out of the box. Additionally, you won't have that 4th gear "brick wall" syndrome either.

While the 6mt is generally the same car as the automatic, there are greater drivetrain losses with the auto, making it slightly slower. So if you add 50-60hp with a supercharger on an auto, you'll likely only be pushing 30-45hp more over the 6mt. That might be hard to justify dropping 5k on.

I don't mean to turn you away from doing the supercharger by any means, as it is a really cool and fun addition to any car. But I think you should consider all aspects before jumping in.

 

Hi speed its so refreshing to hear that from someone who's moved on from one. I think that along with the feedback that MAS has given in his thread is definitely pushing me in that direction. I mean, he managed to push almost 380 whp with it tuned running an HBP, meth and Hondata which I think is definitely impressive, naysayers be damned.

 

That's because the ratio is .666

OP,Looks like your first thread got deleted since the title was asking about buying one. I am all for the supercharger as long as you keep the standard pulley. It's simple and nets good gains. I am not a fan of the ACM unit but that's the easiest option for you. I would keep your eye out for one on the blackmarket or just buy it from one of our vendors on here.

 

^ saw the .666 in another thread and I HAD to find out for myself. Not that I condone speeding but let's just say I definitely found out first hand yesterday lol. I'm thinking that if I ever do get around to getting a standalone ecu this is going to be the biggest limiting factor of all.

Edit for fail spelling

 

No one speeds here! my folks have a 07 TL base and the gearing is nice for cruising but not for performance. A supercharger would wake it up and being an 07 you could run hondata which is huge! Hello E85.

 

The S/C was one of the last engine mods I performed before the HFPCs and the S/C is still my favorite mod out of everything I have done to the TL. The HBP with a tuned ecu was icing on the cake for me. Though the auto trannies in these cars are known for their weaknesses, I am still an advocate for the S/C as it definitely makes the car a lot more fun to drive.

And focusing on the OP's original post, the information, or recommendation I can give, is to keep an eye out on the black market for a used one if you don't mind buying used. If you end up buying a used S/C to make sure ALL the pieces are there and to change the S/C oil and belt before install.

 

^ Another thing to keep in mind with the auto is it needs regular maintenance. That's the key to having a long life with the automatic. Redline fluids, changing the 3rd and 4th gear switches, regularly doing a 1x3 and a transmission cooler in a hot climate can all go a long way to making it much more reliable

 

OP, I too have a 06 5AT. I too looked at the Supercharger route but ran quickly when I started adding up the costs. just didnt make sense to me to drop 6-8K on about 100 HP. I would go with others ideas of getting a manual if that is in the cards and realistic. if not, do some basic HP mods, then go with visual. you will love the look and compliments. if you really want to get into the HP game get ready to DUMP some cash and time in.

 

Since we are discussing the transmission quite often in the OP's thread I interestingly happen to have just come across this link on Heeltoe's site referencing supercharging on the auto tranny and figured I would add this in.

 

but...but..but it's such a hilarious read

ok, hi speed is right. I apologize - new guy might not know that the thread is (perfectly phrased, btw) a moron's journey into forced induction, and could get the wrong ideas.

 

LOL That priceless "discussion" was from one of my first threads on the site ever with several people telling me to "not even bother" with the 5AT and Marcus chiming in to tell them they were pretty wrong

EDIT: Found the thread, its my currently dead progress thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/photogr...d-plan-923894/

TacoBello's comment on the 5AT. Just scroll towards the bottom and enjoy

 

butt op can use it as a refernce guide..........................of what not to do

 

to me it doesnt make sense to pour basically the cars worth back into it to make a slow car not as slow. save your money if you want a fast car buy a different one.

 

As the TLs get cheaper it is more expensive percentage wise to mod the car but, for the same level of quality and performance you will spend a lot more money on another car. If you installed the SC yourself and bought used you could get going for $2500-3k. I bought my car new for 35k, so 5k for a SC didn't sound too bad. It doesn't hurt that very few people mod their TL and almost no one is running a SC.

 

I would say as the TL gets cheaper the car itself becomes accessible to a lot more people that wouldn't normally even LOOK at spending that much money on modifying the car, hence all the gripes about the cost involved with the modifications, which haven't dropped in price whatsoever. This isn't a Civic, and isn't as cheap as one to modify - That seems to often be forgotten.

I for one just bought mine in November with 52k miles on it, which for this car is pretty much nothing. Its in near-new condition, meticulously maintained and I only paid 13800$ canadian for it after taxes and all associated fees. Thats 11 grand US, which considering the car cost more than 3 times that new, is a good price.

I'm a University student, still live at home, work full time and go to school full time - Am I the kind of person that's going to run out and drop 5 grand on a new SC setup and another 3 grand on supporting mods? Probably not. But the car itself IS accessible to me, and fairly practical as well. Just kind of providing some perspective on the financial aspect of modding the 5AT.

PS - While I did say I'm not the kind of person that would drop all that money on the SC ... I'll probably be dropping all that money on the SC. LOL

 

Hi Speed nailed it. As the TL has gotten much cheaper, the newer generation of owners also have an unrealistic view of what things cost on the TL. Back in the days A-spec kits ran us at a group buy 1200. Now, even at 800 people still complain about the cost. Which realistically, is a great deal when it's painted from factory. There are many mods that they wouldn't pay for. Selling used parts and you still get low-balled to death by these newer owners that really don't know the cost of things. What was 50 bucks for a CAI on your previous Civic, isn't the same case for the TL. A lot of members have left for the same reasons of seeing how the TL evolved and the community took a hit. That happens with a lot of vehicles. As a certain generation gets older, it's easier for those that couldn't buy it can now afford it. The only problem that becomes a broken record is if Billy has 10K, Billy will use all 10K to buy a used car and believe that there's nothing wrong with that used car. When Billy realizes his car needs repairs, he at a disbelief at the costs of repairs or wonders why such a reliable vehicle has issues. It's annoying to be honest. The amount of repetitive questions, threads and lack of searching to gain self knowledge on things is frustrating lately.

The best advice anyone here can give OP is simple. Please do research. Read as many threads pertaining to the supercharger as possible. In the end, you will need 1. The funds to do it. 2. The vehicle can handle force induction 3. The funds to do so, because it's more than just a blower..

As for N1h1l1ty, I understand your situation. My honest opinion doesn't matter, however I would be straight with you. If this is something you REALLY want to do, then read up on it. If you're ok with taking 5-8K hit, then go for it. Your TL is older, make sure you have funds to also keep up with repairs as they come. You're in college which is awesome, I would rather see you do other modifications to your TL over time. Listen, at the end of the day, you do what's right for you no matter what anyone says here on the interwebs, because we aren't important and it's the honest truth. You live once, if you want to do this, by all means go for it, but just take the time to research.

 

^ Oh I know - I'm the kind of person that sits on the internet for a week straight weighing the options before I take the plunge on something. With the TL it was a lot longer than a week.

Its all about budgeting - For me the TL happens to be my new "toy" and also my platform to learn about working on cars, so learning to do all the regular maintenance myself means the car gets meticulously taken care of and on schedule too (granted thus far I've only put about 4000 km on it since November).

I've been through probably half the SC owner threads at this point , and I'm sure when the time comes I'll have plenty of questions for the folks still running it - For now I'm focused on getting all my bolt ons, dropping it and putting on some wheels my OCD personality won't want to sell a month later

 

that's the weirdest mindset ever.

at best its a 6 year old car, at worst its a 10 year old car.
some one who doesnt have allocated funds for repairs is playing with fire.

 

It's really not a weird mindset, it's down right the truth. Most of these buyers spend down to their last penny to buy a TL. They don't factor in anything else. You see if with all the "I just bought a TL and.." "How much will this cost me?" "Help these lights are on what's wrong" yet don't want to pay someone to diagnose instead ask people on Facebook what's wrong, go buy parts they tell you and figure out it's still not fixed. I've been in the industry long enough to see it all to well. It's also the same people who ignore repairs and rather drop whatever little money they have on used performance parts.

 

That's the mindset of the majority of people though. Just look at Jalopnik and Tavarish's "You could own this 600HP Mercedes for the price of a Ford Fusion" style posts to realize that people will buy a vehicle they have no chance in hell being able to afford to maintain.

The best piece of advice I got was from a former boss. He said "When I have enough money for a Viper, I buy a Vette. That way I can modify the Vette with leftover money." He would do that each time. When he had enough for the Porsche, he could buy the Viper. Nothing beats driving a car like those than a car like those with mods.

 

He's a good friend of mine

 

and I agree with ya'll.

I fuck up my car so much....(George, George, George of the Jungle....WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE!) that if I didnt have the funds, i'd be shit out of luck.

I remember that I had just bought the car and not even 5k miles into it, the clutch had to be replaced.

 

^ first 4000 km, slid during a particularly bad snow day into a curb. Bam, right front wheel knuckle needs to be replaced. Bye bye 500$. Will probably replace the front right LCA and fork just to be sure. Another 500$. Canadian winter

 

^sounds like you need a dedicated set of snow tires.

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Justin needs to get some autoX experience to understand the limits of his TL. Killing the orange cones is better than curbs, at least the cones move!

 

i swear its not my small asian eyes

 

6spd, they were already on the car. Long story short, it just turns out that 1) Toronto refuses to actually clear its roads properly (no big surprise there) and 2) Yokohama IceGuards are awful winter tires, despite the few "shining endorsements" ive read for them that swayed me in that direction in the first place.

 

Where da OP at