Hacura

Let's not forget the 40whp number is when the exhaust is combined with the RV6 V3 J-Pipe and not exhaust alone.

DeathMetal

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CH46ESeaKnight

Looks like Richie had the graphs taken down. As well as the 40WHP avg gain.

That should tell you there was an error with the graph.

But just in case, I will only add that it is basic math. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get a 40 hp avg when your peak is only 16 hp. The avg can never be higher than the peak. Its like trying to tell someone that 2+2= 17

Not hating on Richie or his product. Just pointing out an obvious misunderstanding.

TheChamp531

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Definition of average hp is the horse power delivered to the transmission when all accessories that are standard on that model are connected. Hence if you have an air conditioner, power steering, a high volume oil pump, high output alternator, high volume belt driven fan, a manual fuel pump, etc. you will have a lot less net horse power than you would if you transferred THAT SAME ENGINE to a car with manual steering, no A/C, electric fan car, a normal oil pump and an electric fuel pump.

Getting from peak or average to front wheel is much more difficult. Most people throw out a percentage figure and call it good. This is incorrect as the losses to friction increase geometrically as RPMs increase. So at 6,500 RPMs the losses as a percentage are much greater than at 2,000 RPMs. Even so the high end estimates for a regular type automatic transmission at high RPMs could approach 25%, the low end estimates for a manual light weight 4 speed at low RPMs would be a bit under 10%.

AtlM5

Thats not true unless you mean that the average can never be higher than the highest peak gain at any particular RPM. ie if the highest gain is at 4500rpm the average can not be higher than this. The average CAN be higher than the peak hp at 6800 gain.

Bayam0n

I'm sure rich is going for the win on this one. I think he's going to get the graphs redone and the figures recalculated or something. But I am still somewhat confused, in Richies first post, the peak whp for the j pipe ALONE is 20 whp but when coupled with the new exhaust is goes down to 16whp? Should it not increase the peak whp since it looks like high flow? I am somewhat confused but still absolutely confident in Richies product. I hope Rich and sort this out, I'm afraid the skepticism and criticism might be turning ppl off.

jmkiang

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^ whp went down a bit BUT look at wtq.

Inaccurate

You all are seeing why we *love* Rich. He is a man of honor. I am being serious.

If there is a problem of any kind, Rich will fix it. He has proven himself, numerous times, in the past on Acurazine to be a man of very high honor.

Bayam0n

forgive me for not understanding, and trust me, I have tried to understand, but I am not sure which one is better: whp or wtq?

If we loss whp and gain wtq, isn't it as if you didn't really change anything at all? I mean, if wtq is what really matters, then wouldn't more people aim to have more wtq instead of whp?

iono, maybe I'm getting this all wrong.

Rajca

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Wtq is what gets u moving. Whp is what keeps u moving. Torque is for low end and horespower is for to end

jmkiang

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Rajca is correct.

Too many focus on WHP gains when in reality, the majority of us will never really see that gain more than a couple times a week/month.

Gains in WTQ are what most of us will utilize everyday, since the TL is a daily driver for most.

LostSol

^ Either one of you know a shop with a DynoJet by us? Im gonna do a dyno myself on my TLS once Richie gets me an exhaust so theres an additional graph for everyone to cry about.

Bayam0n

hopefully we cry in joy

Rajca

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Sound performance in bensenville

LostSol

Ok anywhere besides SP? I had a terrible experience there, at least when they were still in bloomingdale.

Rajca

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Ams, but a good friend of mine had a bad experience there also.
Not sure is speed quest still does dyno pulls. I know they changed owners a few years back

djbonsu

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richie, let me know if u need to use my whip for the 6mt/dyno run...

Titanium2k2

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I've dyno'd my Eclipse at AMS but it was a few years ago. I didn't have any issues with them.

`ill*tl

Check out Boomba Racing in Schaumburg, IL. They have a 2WD and AWD dyno..

CH46ESeaKnight

Whats your source for that definition?

jmkiang

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Who cares? Drop it already or take it to PMs.

Richie v6

P&L has a Dynojet but they dont let you in the back at all. So that means swapping parts in the parking lot. Benchmark was the only place that let you use their tools and lift. I'll look around I am contemplating buying a used dynojet.

Yea they are a little stuck up over there.

I will definitely let you know when I am ready. Any chance I could borrow the car for a week? So I can get ever combination. V3 Jpipe, V3 Jpipe + PCD and V3 Jpipe + PCD + Exhaust


We can try AMS but you usually have to book weeks in advance.

They have the exact Mustang dyno as Benchmark.

TheChamp531

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Richie if you give me a discount on the exhaust I can dyno it and give you the graphs

I get free runs

LostSol

AMS is a half mile from my work, I'll stop by there on my way home and see about when they can get me in.

Bayam0n

Hey Rich, is it possible to get some dyno runs for ppl without any mods? like dop a dyno run with your exhaust + base TL? you have runs for the jpipe and the jpipe + exhaust, but no graph for just the exhaust.

Richie v6

That is what I have up now. I will try to get some 6MT dyno data when the first batch gets in.

Exhaust only


Exhaust with V3 Jpipe

Souljah

"like this thread"

Bayam0n

Sweet!

BostonSilverTypeS

nice torque increase!! yo Bayamon when you get this exhaust installed let me know so I can make a highway flyby video, I know of a nice spot when I did mine

bzyrice

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I wish I could afford this.. because the Richie V3 Jpipe.. IS AWESOME!! Cant wait to see the 6MT results. Subscribed!

Bayam0n

Nice, Rv6 should have the first batch out by the end of this month, I'll put it on as soon as I get it and let you know.

djbonsu

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hmmm....a week? j/k this may be possible, give me a call and maybe we can wrk something out...(my txt msg'ing no wrkin so just call)

Bayam0n

any updates on the Ti tips for base TL????

onefastmachine

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I Put my deposit down and i'm in cali i think this is gonna be a great product..

01clsstock

i like the low end torque on this exhaust and i am looking frwded to the numbers from a 6spd.

gfrg88

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Sick.

murph145

what about cars that wana run the catilitic converters i mean its pretty much a straight pipe exhaust from what i see... out here in cali you cant run without cats ... i mean i guess u can but you are not supposed to.... i would think you should see some gains from a base TL to a TL with no cats and straight through exhaust but 40hp i doubt.... also just interested on how this is considered a "true Dual" when the jpipe and exhaust connection merge into an "X" ?? looks like a nice set up but more track than street

Richie v6

I get you a rental


I should get the tips in a few days then we can start discussing tips.

Well we are only removing the 3rd cat which doesnt do very much. If you are worried about emissions you can keep the stock jpipe or get a jpipe that keeps the 3rd cat. There are plenty of people running completely catless on the street.

08TLEE

Many (most?) "true dual" systems use a crossover (x) or an H-pipe (fits to both pipes at 90 degree angle); this is an improvement over straight pipe as it promotes "scavenging", basically evening out the flow and helping to "pull" the exhaust gasses out of the cylinders. Maybe other things, too, I'm not an expert.

I'm in NJ, so I'm also kind of interested in what folks in emissions states do...(I have a feeling they know the third one is supposed to be there)...switch pipes around when the time comes? Run a hi-flow cat(s) full time? Maybe a "Cheshire" Cat? Or, rely on "friends"? I used to be able to do the latter, my bro had a glass shop...but he transferred to the license-plate business

It's all state-facility only here, they squeezed the private shops out of the inspection racket a few years back...after a lot of them invested $$$ in equipment to meet the new requirements.

Inaccurate

Agree. Within the hot rodding world, it is well known that all dual exhaust should have a crossover.

The only people that had a "true" dual without a crossover were "Kicker" (aka, cowboy) trucks here in Texas. And they were not interested in performance in the slightest. They did it for the rasp sound, which was a kicker-truck signature sound.