RV6 True Dual Exhaust for '04-'08 TL. Accepting deposits now
07-22-2010, 07:02 PM
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the new version xlr8 exhaust has zero drone i had the old prior and yea drone was yuckkkk but now none... this exhaust looks cool id like someone in the real world to run it on a dyno and see if those results are true
07-22-2010, 08:23 PM
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The average GAIN can be higher than the peak gain...that just means that for instance(example)
the car gained 30hp over stock at 3000rpms (160 to 190) then at 5000rpms it made 15hp over stock (215 to 230) but at 6800rpms the car only gained 2hp over stock (260 to 262).
If we used these points as our only 3 data points(not right but its just proving my point) the average gain would be 30+15+2 = 47/3 = 15.67...that is the average gain throughout the powerband while the peak gain is still just 2.
This makes the average gain higher than the peak gain, however the peak gain would still be the highest hp the car makes. This is the same technique the dyno program uses except it is most likely using a linear regression analisys or something to figure out the average of the graph as it is not linear data. I could probably draw a graph to help you out but this is as far as I'm goin...too lazy. If you still dont get it, sorry.
Also, its good that the exhaust makes more average hp because that means that it makes power all throughout the powerband not just on the highend like many v6 mods.
the car gained 30hp over stock at 3000rpms (160 to 190) then at 5000rpms it made 15hp over stock (215 to 230) but at 6800rpms the car only gained 2hp over stock (260 to 262).
If we used these points as our only 3 data points(not right but its just proving my point) the average gain would be 30+15+2 = 47/3 = 15.67...that is the average gain throughout the powerband while the peak gain is still just 2.
This makes the average gain higher than the peak gain, however the peak gain would still be the highest hp the car makes. This is the same technique the dyno program uses except it is most likely using a linear regression analisys or something to figure out the average of the graph as it is not linear data. I could probably draw a graph to help you out but this is as far as I'm goin...too lazy. If you still dont get it, sorry.
Also, its good that the exhaust makes more average hp because that means that it makes power all throughout the powerband not just on the highend like many v6 mods.
and since our cars are probably street driven most of the time, therefore it is more important to have higher average gain than peak gain since we want more power in the lower rpm range. I doubt everyone would be driving at 6800 rpm the entire time. Atleast not for street driving, track is a different story.
07-22-2010, 09:22 PM
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Its louder then Comptech I would say its around a 6.5/10 in loudness.
07-22-2010, 09:29 PM
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How does this exhaust compare to other's? I have seen a dyno'd comptech + AEM come out with 22whp ( I'm pretty sure most of u have seen the thread), but I don't know if this is peak or average. Does anyone know the stats of other exhuasts? I am pretty sure the RV6 exhuast is on par in regards to peak hp, but does it do better in the mid range??I think it does, becuz I don't see alot of talk about the average hp from these other competitors. Also, RV6 looks like a respected vendor in the azine community and I'm sure he wouldn't risk making up some bogus numbers and trying to sell it to ppl that might know a thing or two a about how dyno's work. How we get a witness, is the guy in the video a member of azine? Maybe he can vouch for rich and the gains.
07-23-2010, 12:03 AM
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If you've ever dealt with Richie or spoke to ANYONE that's dealt with him, you'd know he wouldn't dream of pulling any bullsh*t. Its just not how he does business. He doesn't need a vouch!
All you doubters, just don't buy it then or wait til someone you know does. Then you can stick your tail between your legs and order one
All you doubters, just don't buy it then or wait til someone you know does. Then you can stick your tail between your legs and order one
07-23-2010, 12:23 AM
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In-car vids
VIDEO
Sorry... these aren't the best due to morning traffic. Highway
acceleration vids and WOT drive-bys should be coming soon.
Also, recorded these with my iPhone so the sound isn't the best.
View it HD!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4820405676/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4819794183/
Sorry... these aren't the best due to morning traffic. Highway
acceleration vids and WOT drive-bys should be coming soon.
Also, recorded these with my iPhone so the sound isn't the best.
View it HD!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4820405676/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4819794183/
Last edited by synth19; 07-26-2010 at 09:57 AM.
07-23-2010, 12:35 AM
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CT: sounds pretty stock until you get on it. You can tell the exhaust isn't stock but its still quiet enough to have a conversation in the car. Little to no drone.
RV6: right when you start the car, you can tell its not stock. There is drone when you get on the pedal a little bit but once you get the RPMs a little higher (2k+), the cabin drone goes away and it sounds great.
My butt dyno says my new set up pulls much harder than before. Keep in mind that I ran the RV6 V3 jpipe with the CT and with the RV6 exhaust. When I WOT, the front wheels sometimes get a little squiggly.
BTW, zero rasp!
07-23-2010, 06:32 AM
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I was running the CT exhaust before.
CT: sounds pretty stock until you get on it. You can tell the exhaust isn't stock but its still quiet enough to have a conversation in the car. Little to no drone.
RV6: right when you start the car, you can tell its not stock. There is drone when you get on the pedal a little bit but once you get the RPMs a little higher (2k+), the cabin drone goes away and it sounds great.
My butt dyno says my new set up pulls much harder than before. Keep in mind that I ran the RV6 V3 jpipe with the CT and with the RV6 exhaust. When I WOT, the front wheels sometimes get a little squiggly.
BTW, zero rasp!
CT: sounds pretty stock until you get on it. You can tell the exhaust isn't stock but its still quiet enough to have a conversation in the car. Little to no drone.
RV6: right when you start the car, you can tell its not stock. There is drone when you get on the pedal a little bit but once you get the RPMs a little higher (2k+), the cabin drone goes away and it sounds great.
My butt dyno says my new set up pulls much harder than before. Keep in mind that I ran the RV6 V3 jpipe with the CT and with the RV6 exhaust. When I WOT, the front wheels sometimes get a little squiggly.
BTW, zero rasp!
07-23-2010, 07:02 AM
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Sorry... these aren't the best due to morning traffic. Highway acceleration vids and WOT drive-bys should be coming soon.
Also, recorded these with my iPhone so the sound isn't the best.
View it HD!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4820405676/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4819794183/
Also, recorded these with my iPhone so the sound isn't the best.
View it HD!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4820405676/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4819794183/
Im not sure who else in the NY area will be getting t his but after I install everyone is more then welcome to take a listen in person to decide if they want to get it
07-23-2010, 12:26 PM
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Ok.. here's my opinion as I saw/heard it yesterday evening when me and Jason attended a local car meet.
First thoughts/impression: Quality looks good, welds look clean and very professional. The only thing I "personally" didn't like was the RV6 Performance plate that was tacked onto the exhaust tips. I think an etching on the tips would've looked better, but again this is my personal opinion.. and something as stupid as this shouldn't be the deciding factor for getting Richie's exhaust.
Now, onto the sound. I've heard on the 3G's the ATLP, CT and Excelerate... here's what I think about them:
ATLP: Very unique exhaust note. might be a little too aggressive for me. Has a slight raspy sound when you get up on the throttle.
CT: Normal deep-toned exhaust note.. other than it being too quiet, its a nice exhaust. I say its quiet because the CT's on my 2G are a lot louder.
Excelerate: Again, another unique exhaust note. Just like the ATLP, when you get up on the throttle, it has a certain raspy sound too it.
RV6: A good mix of exhaust note that isn't too deep, nor too high. Jason rev'd it a few times for me and didn't floor it, but quickly accelerated out of the parking lot we were in and lemme tell you, it sounds absolutely gorgeous. It isn't an exhaust note I've ever heard before, but it sounds just about right for the TL.
Again, don't attack me if you don't agree with me. This is what my ears heard and I'm telling it the way it is.
First thoughts/impression: Quality looks good, welds look clean and very professional. The only thing I "personally" didn't like was the RV6 Performance plate that was tacked onto the exhaust tips. I think an etching on the tips would've looked better, but again this is my personal opinion.. and something as stupid as this shouldn't be the deciding factor for getting Richie's exhaust.
Now, onto the sound. I've heard on the 3G's the ATLP, CT and Excelerate... here's what I think about them:
ATLP: Very unique exhaust note. might be a little too aggressive for me. Has a slight raspy sound when you get up on the throttle.
CT: Normal deep-toned exhaust note.. other than it being too quiet, its a nice exhaust. I say its quiet because the CT's on my 2G are a lot louder.
Excelerate: Again, another unique exhaust note. Just like the ATLP, when you get up on the throttle, it has a certain raspy sound too it.
RV6: A good mix of exhaust note that isn't too deep, nor too high. Jason rev'd it a few times for me and didn't floor it, but quickly accelerated out of the parking lot we were in and lemme tell you, it sounds absolutely gorgeous. It isn't an exhaust note I've ever heard before, but it sounds just about right for the TL.
Again, don't attack me if you don't agree with me. This is what my ears heard and I'm telling it the way it is.
07-23-2010, 12:34 PM
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Ok.. here's my opinion as I saw/heard it yesterday evening when me and Jason attended a local car meet.
First thoughts/impression: Quality looks good, welds look clean and very professional. The only thing I "personally" didn't like was the RV6 Performance plate that was tacked onto the exhaust tips. I think an etching on the tips would've looked better, but again this is my personal opinion.. and something as stupid as this shouldn't be the deciding factor for getting Richie's exhaust.
First thoughts/impression: Quality looks good, welds look clean and very professional. The only thing I "personally" didn't like was the RV6 Performance plate that was tacked onto the exhaust tips. I think an etching on the tips would've looked better, but again this is my personal opinion.. and something as stupid as this shouldn't be the deciding factor for getting Richie's exhaust.
How about etching the batch number on the exhaust too... that way i could say that I have the first batch
07-23-2010, 12:46 PM
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^ well after letting Jason know my only "flaw" in the exhaust, he told me that etching your company logo onto the tips is a lot of extra and not hard, but time consuming work.
Also, I remember Jason telling me that ppl were interested in the Titanium-burnt finish on the exhaust tips. I personally am a huge fan as I love that burnt look on the exhaust tips, but on Richie's exhaust.. I don't think it'll look right. I say this because when I was looking at the exhaust tips yesterday from a side-view.. I wouldn't say they're short but I wouldn't say they're fairly long either. And having a burnt finish on Richie's exhaust tips would kill the look of it. When the exhaust is mounted, the tips stick out just the right amount..and if Richie were to put the titanium-burnt finish on the tips, all you would see is that titanium-burnt finish.
Also, I remember Jason telling me that ppl were interested in the Titanium-burnt finish on the exhaust tips. I personally am a huge fan as I love that burnt look on the exhaust tips, but on Richie's exhaust.. I don't think it'll look right. I say this because when I was looking at the exhaust tips yesterday from a side-view.. I wouldn't say they're short but I wouldn't say they're fairly long either. And having a burnt finish on Richie's exhaust tips would kill the look of it. When the exhaust is mounted, the tips stick out just the right amount..and if Richie were to put the titanium-burnt finish on the tips, all you would see is that titanium-burnt finish.
07-23-2010, 12:48 PM
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Its great that you are telling your experience, but if you read a little through the thread...all of this has been discussed.
there will be options of different tips. etc: burnt tips, short tips, long tips, base tips, type-s tips. you get the picture.
there will be options of different tips. etc: burnt tips, short tips, long tips, base tips, type-s tips. you get the picture.
07-23-2010, 01:02 PM
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I appreciated his and your feedback.
I just thought it was common knowledge now that this thread is 6 pages long.
and after Richie confirmed having different tips.
it was just a little confusing, that is all.
I just thought it was common knowledge now that this thread is 6 pages long.
and after Richie confirmed having different tips.
it was just a little confusing, that is all.
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07-23-2010, 01:09 PM
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^ well after letting Jason know my only "flaw" in the exhaust, he told me that etching your company logo onto the tips is a lot of extra and not hard, but time consuming work.
Also, I remember Jason telling me that ppl were interested in the Titanium-burnt finish on the exhaust tips. I personally am a huge fan as I love that burnt look on the exhaust tips, but on Richie's exhaust.. I don't think it'll look right. I say this because when I was looking at the exhaust tips yesterday from a side-view.. I wouldn't say they're short but I wouldn't say they're fairly long either. And having a burnt finish on Richie's exhaust tips would kill the look of it. When the exhaust is mounted, the tips stick out just the right amount..and if Richie were to put the titanium-burnt finish on the tips, all you would see is that titanium-burnt finish.
Also, I remember Jason telling me that ppl were interested in the Titanium-burnt finish on the exhaust tips. I personally am a huge fan as I love that burnt look on the exhaust tips, but on Richie's exhaust.. I don't think it'll look right. I say this because when I was looking at the exhaust tips yesterday from a side-view.. I wouldn't say they're short but I wouldn't say they're fairly long either. And having a burnt finish on Richie's exhaust tips would kill the look of it. When the exhaust is mounted, the tips stick out just the right amount..and if Richie were to put the titanium-burnt finish on the tips, all you would see is that titanium-burnt finish.
I dont think rich is going with the double walled tips, and rather one wall titanium as a n option becuz almost no one liked the ones that debuted. although u are correct, ti tips only look good and can be appreciated when you can actually see them, so rich will have to consider aspec bumpers getting in the way. long tips always look better... not too long though (that's what she sed).
honestly, I don't mind paying another $100 for laser engraving logo rather then badge, but I know alot of us are on a budget. lasered logo is so much sexier, and it gives it another depth of professionalism.
07-23-2010, 01:16 PM
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so since I am number 2 on the list is would be 2/100, thats nasty!!
I forget what vehicle actually displays the limited number next to the stick shift. i think its the aston martin one 77? I believe they actually put a badge that says " 1/77" right next to the stick shift.
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07-23-2010, 02:13 PM
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Richie said that he is thinking about doing something other then tacking that plate on the exhaust. If I remember tight he did say something about etching it to give it a cleaner look. It is somewhere in this thread.
How about etching the batch number on the exhaust too... that way i could say that I have the first batch
How about etching the batch number on the exhaust too... that way i could say that I have the first batch
Yeah, I had to bring up another topic besides the dyno graph this, and average hp that, and blah blah, and I had mentioned the badge thing. Rich says he will look into laser/chemical signature for a cleaner look, and if you go back a couple of pages, you'll find this!!
I dont think rich is going with the double walled tips, and rather one wall titanium as a n option becuz almost no one liked the ones that debuted. although u are correct, ti tips only look good and can be appreciated when you can actually see them, so rich will have to consider aspec bumpers getting in the way. long tips always look better... not too long though (that's what she sed).
honestly, I don't mind paying another $100 for laser engraving logo rather then badge, but I know alot of us are on a budget. lasered logo is so much sexier, and it gives it another depth of professionalism.
I dont think rich is going with the double walled tips, and rather one wall titanium as a n option becuz almost no one liked the ones that debuted. although u are correct, ti tips only look good and can be appreciated when you can actually see them, so rich will have to consider aspec bumpers getting in the way. long tips always look better... not too long though (that's what she sed).
honestly, I don't mind paying another $100 for laser engraving logo rather then badge, but I know alot of us are on a budget. lasered logo is so much sexier, and it gives it another depth of professionalism.
Yea you have 0/100 or maybe -1/100 since your exhaust was never part of a batch.
07-23-2010, 02:44 PM
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that sounds awesome!!!! makes me definitely want to be part of the first batch... but i still want to know how would the base setup looks like instead of the quad tips
07-24-2010, 02:46 AM
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Haha cant afford tickets we're driving! Do you know anyone and NYC that wants RV6 stuff. I will sell discounted jpipes out of the back of my car. 
When the tips get in I will work on the base setup.
Gotta keep it tasteful.
Gotta keep it tasteful.
07-24-2010, 10:33 AM
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Richie, if you're able to create custom tips, how about a quad set-up for the base? I've seen a thread on here that had a chrome set of tips and so long as the dimensions are the same I don't see why these can't be duplicated in Ti....keeping cost in mind of course.
I like the option of having a variety of tips to select from. Perhaps have a standard set-up at the mentioned price with the option to select a different tip at an additional cost? Not sure how labour intensive that would be for you, but I'd rather have the system come complete from you, regardless of tip selection, and not have to worry about having it welded on by a local shop.
I like the option of having a variety of tips to select from. Perhaps have a standard set-up at the mentioned price with the option to select a different tip at an additional cost? Not sure how labour intensive that would be for you, but I'd rather have the system come complete from you, regardless of tip selection, and not have to worry about having it welded on by a local shop.