Redesigned Innovative Motor Mounts?
Cruisin'
Joined: Mar 2019
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I want o know how bad the vibrations really are lol. Some say it isn’t bad. Others act like it’s the end of the world. I’ve already got the car lowered so I lost some of the “luxury”. I also have a 6mt so I’m wondering if that would make a difference in driving experience as well
Racer
Joined: Aug 2016
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So a member of a locat TL page posted up a video of her TL with all innovatives all around with 75a inserts. And omg the vibrations seemed ridiculous. Not something I can deal with daily
didnt even think of asking but does someone have the 2 innovatives and rear oem, and can post up a video from inside the car, idling after warmed up?
thatd probably help put a lot of this stuff to rest
didnt even think of asking but does someone have the 2 innovatives and rear oem, and can post up a video from inside the car, idling after warmed up?
thatd probably help put a lot of this stuff to rest
Racer
Joined: Oct 2014
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From: Florida
I want o know how bad the vibrations really are lol. Some say it isn’t bad. Others act like it’s the end of the world. I’ve already got the car lowered so I lost some of the “luxury”. I also have a 6mt so I’m wondering if that would make a difference in driving experience as well
4th Gear
Joined: Mar 2019
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He folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on installing only the right side innovative mount. Will it break? I just want a bit of solidness, and I cannot replace any of the other two anyways. Only street driving. The front and rear are new mounts, but I still feel the engine flexing and slapping back when I am smashing gears. I want to to get the torque damper, but its out of stock everywhere, so I am thinking the poly side mount would do similar work.
Racer
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Ah gotcha. I’m not 100% if it would fit or not. Some v6 accords share parts but you would have to contact xlr8 for further clarification.
But to actually answer your question, even if you only run 1 innovative mount you’d probably be fine
But to actually answer your question, even if you only run 1 innovative mount you’d probably be fine
Racer
Joined: Aug 2016
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So I’ve got my mounts, but there is no paperwork or instructions for them.
Anyone know the torque specs( or is it just the respective specs for the oem bolts)? Or have any tips or steps to install these as they’re orientation is a bit different than stock?
Anyone know the torque specs( or is it just the respective specs for the oem bolts)? Or have any tips or steps to install these as they’re orientation is a bit different than stock?
Safety Car
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From: At the Track
I utilized the Guttenteit technique. I hear it’s what all german cars use..
Intermediate
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Racer
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I installed the 60a
after they settle in, they’re fine. Obviously hear/feel a little more. I wasn’t a fan at first at all but they’ve settled. I still hate when the a/c is on though. Pisses me off lol
but the car drives awesome. Makes you want to drive it hard since it holds up so well
after they settle in, they’re fine. Obviously hear/feel a little more. I wasn’t a fan at first at all but they’ve settled. I still hate when the a/c is on though. Pisses me off lol
but the car drives awesome. Makes you want to drive it hard since it holds up so well
1st Gear
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I've been running these 60a motor mounts since 2015. Purchased december 2014. The mounts are good but completely ruin the luxury car experience.
I waited 3 years for them to fully "break in". They never broke in. The vibration is very extreme, and especially noticeable in the summer. I can hear my car shaking/rattling in drive throughs and my dash cam vibrates like crazy when I watch the videos. The effect is most noticeable with the transmission in drive, and stopped at a red light with the a/c on. Everytime I visit a mechanic shop for some small reason they always give me shit for having these mounts because the car doesn't idle right.
With that being said the car drives pretty freaking good with them and I (supposedly) don't have to ever replace them.
Last year I changed the rear mount out with OEM and the ride now has the luxury feel again. The other 2 are still the innovative mounts. If you want to get the mounts don't be like me and wait for them to break in. Just install the front and side ones.
I waited 3 years for them to fully "break in". They never broke in. The vibration is very extreme, and especially noticeable in the summer. I can hear my car shaking/rattling in drive throughs and my dash cam vibrates like crazy when I watch the videos. The effect is most noticeable with the transmission in drive, and stopped at a red light with the a/c on. Everytime I visit a mechanic shop for some small reason they always give me shit for having these mounts because the car doesn't idle right.
With that being said the car drives pretty freaking good with them and I (supposedly) don't have to ever replace them.
Last year I changed the rear mount out with OEM and the ride now has the luxury feel again. The other 2 are still the innovative mounts. If you want to get the mounts don't be like me and wait for them to break in. Just install the front and side ones.
Brock
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Arizona
Companies that make engine mounts using urethane should be embarrassed for making/selling crap.
The only reason they use urethane is because it's cheap and easy. It's not an isolation material.
You will never find OEM mounts made from urethane. OEM engine mounts are ALWAYS made with rubber.
Rubber can be formulated to be soft or hard. There is one company that I know of that makes rubber
engine mounts for performance applications. Vibra-Technics.
They don't currently offer Honda/Acura V6 mounts, but they might. The below mounts were designed by me
using the Vibra-Technics TSX/Accord rubber components and extrusions.
The only reason they use urethane is because it's cheap and easy. It's not an isolation material.
You will never find OEM mounts made from urethane. OEM engine mounts are ALWAYS made with rubber.
Rubber can be formulated to be soft or hard. There is one company that I know of that makes rubber
engine mounts for performance applications. Vibra-Technics.
They don't currently offer Honda/Acura V6 mounts, but they might. The below mounts were designed by me
using the Vibra-Technics TSX/Accord rubber components and extrusions.
Last edited by Euro-R_Spec_TSX; Mar 8, 2020 at 08:10 PM.
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
In the process of getting my timing belt/water pump done last week I discovered that the side mount is shot. So this project is up next. I'm admittedly ignorant about motor mounts & no nothing, other than what I've read in the threads here. This car is my daily driver (& I'm old!), so the idea of mirrors vibrating like crazy & other ride quality degradation I think means that going 75A or 85A is out. (The higher the number the stiffer/ harsher the mount, correct?) But. If I can squeeze a bit of performance improvement out, well, that's never a bad thing. From what I've read I gather I want 60A front & side, OEM rear; make sure they're rubber not urethane. But I'd welcome any thoughts, advice or inputs.
thx
thx
In the process of getting my timing belt/water pump done last week I discovered that the side mount is shot. So this project is up next. I'm admittedly ignorant about motor mounts & no nothing, other than what I've read in the threads here. This car is my daily driver (& I'm old!), so the idea of mirrors vibrating like crazy & other ride quality degradation I think means that going 75A or 85A is out. (The higher the number the stiffer/ harsher the mount, correct?) But. If I can squeeze a bit of performance improvement out, well, that's never a bad thing. From what I've read I gather I want 60A front & side, OEM rear; make sure they're rubber not urethane. But I'd welcome any thoughts, advice or inputs.
thx
thx
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
I really appreciate your time.
Thanks, man. I don't mind a little bit more vib and noticeable change, I deem it an acceptable exchange for some improvement in function. So I had it backwards? Lower number = more stiffness? I may just go ahead and get 75 front & side, OEM rear then. Or are the rears basically 75 anyway, in which case there's no point? Are these Innovative's the way to go? Seems to be some differing views, but then again this thread was originated in 2012, so I'm guessing designs & materials, + other competitors in the space have changed things some.
I really appreciate your time.
I really appreciate your time.
innovative is your only option right now. xlr8 is discontinued.
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
75 is stiffer. i said go 75 because 60 tends to break more than 75 and the difference in vibration going from 60 to 75 is negligible. so think of it this way, if they have the same vibration do you want the one that fails more or less?
innovative is your only option right now. xlr8 is discontinued.
innovative is your only option right now. xlr8 is discontinued.
https://www.heeltoeauto.com/innovati....html?cat=2736
Lastly, Euro-R_Spec_TSX posted:
Companies that make engine mounts using urethane should be embarrassed for making/selling crap.
The only reason they use urethane is because it's cheap and easy.
The only reason they use urethane is because it's cheap and easy.
Got it. Makes sense. So think I'll just go 75 all the way around, or 75 front/side and OEM rear - since that one seems to be the vibration linchpin. Heeltoe calls the 60 "street", 75 "track", 85 "race", and 95 "Extreme". Clever. I find them here:
https://www.heeltoeauto.com/innovati....html?cat=2736
Lastly, Euro-R_Spec_TSX posted:
These Innovatives are urethane (& the guy seems to know what he's talking about.)
https://www.heeltoeauto.com/innovati....html?cat=2736
Lastly, Euro-R_Spec_TSX posted:
These Innovatives are urethane (& the guy seems to know what he's talking about.)
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
I get a SKU = 50610-SDB-A01. About $85 thru Acrua.
https://www.acuraoemparts.com/oem-pa...dXRvbWF0aWM%3D
Good point. Front & side, Innovative 75A; rear OEM. Done.
I get a SKU = 50610-SDB-A01. About $85 thru Acrua.
https://www.acuraoemparts.com/oem-pa...dXRvbWF0aWM%3D
I get a SKU = 50610-SDB-A01. About $85 thru Acrua.
https://www.acuraoemparts.com/oem-pa...dXRvbWF0aWM%3D
i have xlr8 75 with gerzand inserts (upgraded inserts) on front/side with oem rear. i've tried every combination of front, side, rear with 60/62 and 75
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Got it. But XLR8 no longer makes them so its Innovative, OEM or bust, huh? Too bad, I have the XLR8 j-pipe and was pleased with the price, build quality & performance its delivered, so they're a manufacturer that's on the good side of my promise/deliver ledger..
Instructor
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
OEM side motor mount
I find myself in possession of an OEM motor mount that I cannot use. (Like an idiot) I didn't realize there was a difference between the parts for an automatic vs. manual tranny (50810-SEP-A04 vs. 50810-SEP-A12) and accidentally bought the wrong one. To add insult to injury, the vendor will neither take it back nor exchange. So I'm stuck with a 50810-SEP-A04 that I've no earthly use for. I just posted it on the Black Market: https://acurazine.com/forums/market/987268.
Sorry if this is a frowned upon practice (mentioning for sale items in non-black market threads), if so, Mods please feel free to let me know. I'm just so p.o.'d over this whole episode that I want this thing gone & the bad taste rinsed out of my mouth asap.
Sorry if this is a frowned upon practice (mentioning for sale items in non-black market threads), if so, Mods please feel free to let me know. I'm just so p.o.'d over this whole episode that I want this thing gone & the bad taste rinsed out of my mouth asap.
Safety Car
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I find myself in possession of an OEM motor mount that I cannot use. (Like an idiot) I didn't realize there was a difference between the parts for an automatic vs. manual tranny (50810-SEP-A04 vs. 50810-SEP-A12) and accidentally bought the wrong one. To add insult to injury, the vendor will neither take it back nor exchange. So I'm stuck with a 50810-SEP-A04 that I've no earthly use for. I just posted it on the Black Market: https://acurazine.com/forums/market/987268.
Sorry if this is a frowned upon practice (mentioning for sale items in non-black market threads), if so, Mods please feel free to let me know. I'm just so p.o.'d over this whole episode that I want this thing gone & the bad taste rinsed out of my mouth asap.
Sorry if this is a frowned upon practice (mentioning for sale items in non-black market threads), if so, Mods please feel free to let me know. I'm just so p.o.'d over this whole episode that I want this thing gone & the bad taste rinsed out of my mouth asap.
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
[QUOTE=Saving4aTL;16570120]I accidentally bought a manual tranny mount for my auto as well. Will still use it. [/QUOT
I don't do my own wrench work but my mech tried and says the bolt holes don't line up, it can't be installed.
[/QUOTI don't do my own wrench work but my mech tried and says the bolt holes don't line up, it can't be installed.
Instructor
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Oops. Here's the corrected link to the Black Market listing: https://acurazine.com/forums/market/987282