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Supercharged 2005 TL NBP
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From: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted by Kennedy
I'm saying that if it's the same friends that are making these statements, then yes, by all means, don't listen.
Other than random wild and unsubstantiated statements (like above) on forums like these, show me a V6 that was damaged with a pulley.
Other than random wild and unsubstantiated statements (like above) on forums like these, show me a V6 that was damaged with a pulley.
~Jason
Originally Posted by Aznpersuasion
Ok, wise guy, I'm just going off based on what my friends told me and Jackstransmission, so here's an idea, you guy's use it for a few years and let me know in the long run who was right or who was wrong, cause I was thnking about using the UR pulleys too until I did some research but I'm just putting in my 2 cents that I found out from some shops but hey your car, if your keeping it for along time let me know how well it goes
~Jason
~Jason
It's a scary sounding mod, with lots of powerfully opinionated folks on both sides of the fence... but there is NO EVIDENCE. Just a bunch of "advice" from supposed "techs".
Originally Posted by Kennedy
Go look through the 2nd Gen forums and search... you'll fing MANY folks there using UR pulley's for MANY years and 60-100K miles... and not one reported problem.
It's a scary sounding mod, with lots of powerfully opinionated folks on both sides of the fence... but there is NO EVIDENCE. Just a bunch of "advice" from supposed "techs".
It's a scary sounding mod, with lots of powerfully opinionated folks on both sides of the fence... but there is NO EVIDENCE. Just a bunch of "advice" from supposed "techs".
Racer
Joined: Apr 2006
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You know guys, I made another thread asking for feedback on the pulley's and unfortunately for Aznpersuasion, I didn't get one bad comment, except for one guy who has the vibration issue, but I think that is related to it not being properly torqued.
I actually talked with the owner of an acura dealer at a meet on Saturday and he said to give him a call on Monday to talk about having one of his service guys do the install for me. We'll see how that turns out.
I actually talked with the owner of an acura dealer at a meet on Saturday and he said to give him a call on Monday to talk about having one of his service guys do the install for me. We'll see how that turns out.
Pro
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: Connecticut
JUST USE A GOOD 1/2" IMPACT GUN!....This whole torque thing is gettin ridiculous...lol...proper torque specs...and all....the only time i torque anything is when im puttin a head back in....or puttin wheels on a car....and thats only cause we have to....i never met a single tech who torques a crank pulley on...even when i was at ford...working on 7.3/6.0L diesels....shoot it on and forget about it....both my 05 and 07 tl-s are just fine...
Safety Car
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted by mattbizkit
if you are suppose to crank it down to 181 pounds how come the directions that come with the pulley say to tighten the bolt down to 48lbs
Well, you are partially right. It does say to tighten to 47 ft. lbs. But, you then turn an additional 60 degrees.
Next question is why do they spec it in this fashion versus just an overall torque value ???
Close-up scan of actual instruction sheet 
Overall scan of actual instruction sheet 
Team Owner
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Excelerate explained this before and has tested the actual torque value using this method and found it is right on spec
Not everyone has a 200 lb torque wrench, but 100 is fairly common to have or borrow- so if you can get it to a known torque value- mark the bolt and index referance and then turn the extra degrees of rotation- you get to the correct tightness- loose is BAD
Not everyone has a 200 lb torque wrench, but 100 is fairly common to have or borrow- so if you can get it to a known torque value- mark the bolt and index referance and then turn the extra degrees of rotation- you get to the correct tightness- loose is BAD
Cruisin'
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i was just curious cause i called an acura dealer and asked them what the spec was and he even said 48 lbs but didn't mention turning another 60 degrees. anyway i was at the shop and had it installed today they guy there said 48 was to low and he put it on as tight as it would go with the gun he had. He said it should get 181 no prob with that. so far so good, no vibrations from anywhere that i can feel.
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Originally Posted by Excelerate
Firstly, UR does not recommend using an impact gun to torque the pulley down. You may use one to take the pulley off if you wish but not to torque it down. If you have no other means (and what I surmise 90% of shops do), then you can gun it down. The fear is that either you have overtorqued it and damaged the aluminum pulley or worse the threads in the crank or that you have not torqued it down enough and it comes loose. If you have a M/T it shoudl be enough to put it into 6th gear and have someone press the brakes. If you have an A/T you are looking to hold the flex plate in place. I don't have a picture but if on the driver side of the j-pipe there is a plate that can be removed and the flex plate is behind there. There is a tool Honda manufacturesr to hold it in place or you stick a crow bar in there and hold it in place while using a torque wrench to torque it down to 181 ft lbs of tq.
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They are saying not to blast it on with an air gun- that covers their butt if you bend it or break it. With the torque plus rotation method while friend holds prybar in teeth of flywheel- all will be well
It takes a massive compressor with the output cranked up and the trechs air gun set to max to get anywhere near 181
Take a torque wrench to something and find its only 120 !
It takes a massive compressor with the output cranked up and the trechs air gun set to max to get anywhere near 181
Take a torque wrench to something and find its only 120 !
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From: www.ExceleratePerformance.com
Originally Posted by Pizza4Everyone
in other words, keep it stock right? lol i don't know about the whole purpose of UR pulley if i can't torque it down.
Cruisin'
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has anyone in here installed the underdrive ur pulley and then got a squeeking belt noise? I didn't have it for the first couple days and all of a sudden it started squeeking just enough to be annoying. how do you get rid of the squeeking it's driving me nuts. other then that i love it
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Originally Posted by mattbizkit
has anyone in here installed the underdrive ur pulley and then got a squeeking belt noise? I didn't have it for the first couple days and all of a sudden it started squeeking just enough to be annoying. how do you get rid of the squeeking it's driving me nuts. other then that i love it
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