Pulled the trigger on the supercharger!
06-15-2009, 10:29 PM
#42
Three Wheelin'
you have to be aware of the fact that...the THROTTLE BODY is relocated once you install the SC...it is mounted directly on the SC intake housing.... you cannot spray anything before the SC.... you have to spray the "CHARGED AIR" and the place to do that is, between the SC and the Intake manifold
06-15-2009, 10:31 PM
#43
well, the SC doesnt really give u much window to play with...the thing goes on max psi quickly...id have it start spraying at say-2-and full blast at 3.5.... but with that kinda psi window...theres not enough window for it to make a difference like that.... it matters more when you want it to start spraying...and i think 2-3 is good start
06-15-2009, 10:32 PM
#44
you have to be aware of the fact that...the THROTTLE BODY is relocated once you install the SC...it is mounted directly on the SC intake housing.... you cannot spray anything before the SC.... you have to spray the "CHARGED AIR" and the place to do that is, between the SC and the Intake manifold
06-15-2009, 10:33 PM
#45
you have to be aware of the fact that...the THROTTLE BODY is relocated once you install the SC...it is mounted directly on the SC intake housing.... you cannot spray anything before the SC.... you have to spray the "CHARGED AIR" and the place to do that is, between the SC and the Intake manifold
still look at the pic, it still looks like you can utilize a TBS still. i know how to do meth kits, you dont need to tell me anything cant go into the s/c
06-15-2009, 10:53 PM
#55
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
06-15-2009, 10:57 PM
#56
With injecting anything into the engine you want to do it 6 inches before the intake runners to evenly distrubute the fuel or methanol in this case as it enters the engine.
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
06-15-2009, 10:59 PM
#57
Three Wheelin'
greco, relax dude....that wasn';t even for you....im sure ur the genius here..... but dont get so insecure about what you know and what you dont. no wonder i never subscribed to any of these things...there's always too many fucking drama queens
06-15-2009, 11:09 PM
#59
With injecting anything into the engine you want to do it 6 inches before the intake runners to evenly distrubute the fuel or methanol in this case as it enters the engine.
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
Now with a TB spacer, it seems easier but as you said some cylinders might run too rich since it is so close to the TB.
06-15-2009, 11:39 PM
#63
greco, even if you can fit P2R TBS where the CT one is, that is the worse place you can put the nozzle for the meth injection. you want it as close to the SC and farthest away from the IM as possible, so you can get maximum distribution to all cylinders.
i installed my nozzle on the SC outlet pipe, a couple of inches from the blower housing and on the bottom for discreteness. the pump should ALWAYS be as close to the meth tank as possible, so if you people plan on using the WW resevoir like i did, you will have to build a custom bracket to accommodate it. tl's might have different clearances from the bumper, so a custom bracket might not be needed.
ive gone through a merry-go-round of EMS's, emanage ultimate, emanage blue, AEM FI/C, ultimate and blue combo etc,... the emanage ultimate always gave me the BEST a/f tune, but not being able to adjust timing and vtec was its shortcomings. so, my goal with the meth injection is being able to use the ultimate and using the cooling affect of the 50/50 mix to counter the need of retarding the timing. remember, rule of thumb is to retard -1 degree of timing, for every 1lb of boost. right now im at 4psi at WOT, but with the addition of the meth, my tuner and i think that running boost with the stock timing map will suffic... for vtec, i am using the ACM for that part. its hooked in, but only for vtec (map and knock sensors are dissconnected) and will kick in at 4k rpm, which is perfect IMO. it will bring you right into vtec after every up-shift.
as for which kit to buy, i personally have the AEM meth kit and it does have a 2 stage spray. the 2nd stage starts at 7psi, so obviously i wont ever be using it. its really not needed unless your boosting at least 7-8psi and up. i have no plans on using a HBP for my carsince its my DD. besides, i really really believe i can squeeze 340-350whp with the set up i currently have. its all about going down and getting retuned. last time i hit 330hp/289tq, so with the addition of meth and a few more poweradders, 340/300 is easily in reach.
heres some pics of my meth pump,
1. this was my first location. its good, but after installing the bumper, we found out it was hitting my foglight housing. this can be a good spot for you TL guys though,
2. had to make a custom bracket so it can fit on the side of the tank,
just remember meth is not going to help you much, unless you get rid of the ACM and go with something that is tuneable. ill let you guys know how it goes. im hoping to get it down to churches sometime mid-next week. if this combo turns out to be a winner, than all you would need is an EMU, rsx-s 310cc injectors, ACM for vtec and meth injection and ill be able to share my a/f map with you guys
i installed my nozzle on the SC outlet pipe, a couple of inches from the blower housing and on the bottom for discreteness. the pump should ALWAYS be as close to the meth tank as possible, so if you people plan on using the WW resevoir like i did, you will have to build a custom bracket to accommodate it. tl's might have different clearances from the bumper, so a custom bracket might not be needed.
ive gone through a merry-go-round of EMS's, emanage ultimate, emanage blue, AEM FI/C, ultimate and blue combo etc,... the emanage ultimate always gave me the BEST a/f tune, but not being able to adjust timing and vtec was its shortcomings. so, my goal with the meth injection is being able to use the ultimate and using the cooling affect of the 50/50 mix to counter the need of retarding the timing. remember, rule of thumb is to retard -1 degree of timing, for every 1lb of boost. right now im at 4psi at WOT, but with the addition of the meth, my tuner and i think that running boost with the stock timing map will suffic... for vtec, i am using the ACM for that part. its hooked in, but only for vtec (map and knock sensors are dissconnected) and will kick in at 4k rpm, which is perfect IMO. it will bring you right into vtec after every up-shift.
as for which kit to buy, i personally have the AEM meth kit and it does have a 2 stage spray. the 2nd stage starts at 7psi, so obviously i wont ever be using it. its really not needed unless your boosting at least 7-8psi and up. i have no plans on using a HBP for my carsince its my DD. besides, i really really believe i can squeeze 340-350whp with the set up i currently have. its all about going down and getting retuned. last time i hit 330hp/289tq, so with the addition of meth and a few more poweradders, 340/300 is easily in reach.
heres some pics of my meth pump,
1. this was my first location. its good, but after installing the bumper, we found out it was hitting my foglight housing. this can be a good spot for you TL guys though,
2. had to make a custom bracket so it can fit on the side of the tank,
just remember meth is not going to help you much, unless you get rid of the ACM and go with something that is tuneable. ill let you guys know how it goes. im hoping to get it down to churches sometime mid-next week. if this combo turns out to be a winner, than all you would need is an EMU, rsx-s 310cc injectors, ACM for vtec and meth injection and ill be able to share my a/f map with you guys
06-15-2009, 11:50 PM
#64
and heres an older pic of my engine bay that im using just for reference to where i installed the nozzle and vacuum line to the meth kit. its where the yellow arrow is on the SC outlet, but underneath. taking off the SC is needed for this, but its a good time to clean things up and change the oil too
Last edited by 04accordcpe; 06-15-2009 at 11:53 PM.
06-15-2009, 11:51 PM
#65
greco, even if you can fit P2R TBS where the CT one is, that is the worse place you can put the nozzle for the meth injection. you want it as close to the SC and farthest away from the IM as possible, so you can get maximum distribution to all cylinders.
i installed my nozzle on the SC outlet pipe, a couple of inches from the blower housing and on the bottom for discreteness. the pump should ALWAYS be as close to the meth tank as possible, so if you people plan on using the WW resevoir like i did, you will have to build a custom bracket to accommodate it. tl's might have different clearances from the bumper, so a custom bracket might not be needed.
ive gone through a merry-go-round of EMS's, emanage ultimate, emanage blue, AEM FI/C, ultimate and blue combo etc,... the emanage ultimate always gave me the BEST a/f tune, but not being able to adjust timing and vtec was its shortcomings. so, my goal with the meth injection is being able to use the ultimate and using the cooling affect of the 50/50 mix to counter the need of retarding the timing. remember, rule of thumb is to retard -1 degree of timing, for every 1lb of boost. right now im at 4psi at WOT, but with the addition of the meth, my tuner and i think that running boost with the stock timing map will suffic... for vtec, i am using the ACM for that part. its hooked in, but only for vtec (map and knock sensors are dissconnected) and will kick in at 4k rpm, which is perfect IMO. it will bring you right into vtec after every up-shift.
as for which kit to buy, i personally have the AEM meth kit and it does have a 2 stage spray. the 2nd stage starts at 7psi, so obviously i wont ever be using it. its really not needed unless your boosting at least 7-8psi and up. i have no plans on using a HBP for my carsince its my DD. besides, i really really believe i can squeeze 340-350whp with the set up i currently have. its all about going down and getting retuned. last time i hit 330hp/289tq, so with the addition of meth and a few more poweradders, 340/300 is easily in reach.
heres some pics of my meth pump,
1. this was my first location. its good, but after installing the bumper, we found out it was hitting my foglight housing. this can be a good spot for you TL guys though,
2. had to make a custom bracket so it can fit on the side of the tank,
just remember meth is not going to help you much, unless you get rid of the ACM and go with something that is tuneable. ill let you guys know how it goes. im hoping to get it down to churches sometime mid-next week. if this combo turns out to be a winner, than all you would need is an EMU, rsx-s 310cc injectors, ACM for vtec and meth injection and ill be able to share my a/f map with you guys
i installed my nozzle on the SC outlet pipe, a couple of inches from the blower housing and on the bottom for discreteness. the pump should ALWAYS be as close to the meth tank as possible, so if you people plan on using the WW resevoir like i did, you will have to build a custom bracket to accommodate it. tl's might have different clearances from the bumper, so a custom bracket might not be needed.
ive gone through a merry-go-round of EMS's, emanage ultimate, emanage blue, AEM FI/C, ultimate and blue combo etc,... the emanage ultimate always gave me the BEST a/f tune, but not being able to adjust timing and vtec was its shortcomings. so, my goal with the meth injection is being able to use the ultimate and using the cooling affect of the 50/50 mix to counter the need of retarding the timing. remember, rule of thumb is to retard -1 degree of timing, for every 1lb of boost. right now im at 4psi at WOT, but with the addition of the meth, my tuner and i think that running boost with the stock timing map will suffic... for vtec, i am using the ACM for that part. its hooked in, but only for vtec (map and knock sensors are dissconnected) and will kick in at 4k rpm, which is perfect IMO. it will bring you right into vtec after every up-shift.
as for which kit to buy, i personally have the AEM meth kit and it does have a 2 stage spray. the 2nd stage starts at 7psi, so obviously i wont ever be using it. its really not needed unless your boosting at least 7-8psi and up. i have no plans on using a HBP for my carsince its my DD. besides, i really really believe i can squeeze 340-350whp with the set up i currently have. its all about going down and getting retuned. last time i hit 330hp/289tq, so with the addition of meth and a few more poweradders, 340/300 is easily in reach.
heres some pics of my meth pump,
1. this was my first location. its good, but after installing the bumper, we found out it was hitting my foglight housing. this can be a good spot for you TL guys though,
2. had to make a custom bracket so it can fit on the side of the tank,
just remember meth is not going to help you much, unless you get rid of the ACM and go with something that is tuneable. ill let you guys know how it goes. im hoping to get it down to churches sometime mid-next week. if this combo turns out to be a winner, than all you would need is an EMU, rsx-s 310cc injectors, ACM for vtec and meth injection and ill be able to share my a/f map with you guys
06-16-2009, 12:36 AM
#67
04accordcpe. THANK YOU for posting. ive been waiting for your post since you pretty much worked out all the kinks.
on joes car it will be the first time installing the kit on a TL. on other cars its the same general idea but the engine bay is COMPLETELY different.
what nozzle did you use? 175ml/min right? that nozzle is good for 250-350. can you tell me more about the way your controller was setup? whether you set it for boost, or the map sensor and what not
on joes car it will be the first time installing the kit on a TL. on other cars its the same general idea but the engine bay is COMPLETELY different.
what nozzle did you use? 175ml/min right? that nozzle is good for 250-350. can you tell me more about the way your controller was setup? whether you set it for boost, or the map sensor and what not
06-16-2009, 07:09 AM
#69
Opel mentioned in his earlier post about the denso plugs included in the kit being a problem. Can any of you supercharged guys confirm this? Have you run into problems and had to updgrade the plugs yet? And if so, did you go 2 steps colder or stick with 1 step colder than stock?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Last edited by apnorm; 06-16-2009 at 07:11 AM.
06-16-2009, 08:42 AM
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Opel mentioned in his earlier post about the denso plugs included in the kit being a problem. Can any of you supercharged guys confirm this? Have you run into problems and had to updgrade the plugs yet? And if so, did you go 2 steps colder or stick with 1 step colder than stock?
Thanks.
Thanks.
06-16-2009, 11:54 AM
#71
Opel mentioned in his earlier post about the denso plugs included in the kit being a problem. Can any of you supercharged guys confirm this? Have you run into problems and had to updgrade the plugs yet? And if so, did you go 2 steps colder or stick with 1 step colder than stock?
Thanks.
Thanks.
06-16-2009, 12:06 PM
#72
With injecting anything into the engine you want to do it 6 inches before the intake runners to evenly distrubute the fuel or methanol in this case as it enters the engine.
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
I think puting a TB spacer on there and injecting that way would be easiest, but I am worried injecting that close to the intake runners will make one cylinder run richer than the others.
There are two places to inject the meth. 1. In the upper elbow connecting to the intake manifold. 2. In the lower elbow coming from the blower. ( this may require removing the blower) I am leaning towards # 1.
you gettin the high boost pulley too?
06-16-2009, 03:27 PM
#79
I can't wait to get this installed tomorrow. I'm bringing it down to Josh at Excellerate to do the install. I want to get it on the dyno see how much HP it makes and also to measure the Air/Fuel ratio and then decide from there whether to get it tuned and/or add the meth kit. All this stuff just seem be keep on adding up!!!!
06-16-2009, 03:46 PM
#80
I can't wait to get this installed tomorrow. I'm bringing it down to Josh at Excellerate to do the install. I want to get it on the dyno see how much HP it makes and also to measure the Air/Fuel ratio and then decide from there whether to get it tuned and/or add the meth kit. All this stuff just seem be keep on adding up!!!!