thisaznboi88

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okay so these are the jets that I will be using .4mm for 100% water since my accord/base TL injectors are 270. 270x 6 = 1620 x 10= 162 so use .4mm if your going for 100% water. then .5mm and then if you have to .6mm. I used the .5mm restictor since max flow is 0-380cc/min

thisaznboi88

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going to wire some of it up tomorrow


fast acting valve.

FCVadi

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found it, and now subd!!


question , where are you thinking of running the tube from the trunk to the engine? underneath the car or through the inside? from what the other thread stated there are health concerns of the meth in a communal resitrcted area like inside the cabin

I will also be asking knock and ECU questions later to tie in the other thread

KN_TL

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I'm not sure if Inacc's links shows IHC's experience but he had a buddy who ran it through the cabin and it leaked. Landed them in the hospital. Nasty stuff.

The OP appears to be doing 100% water so that won't be a problem.

FCVadi

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seriously, I cant read anymore... I truly cant.. THISAZ had it in two posts above that he was runing 100% water

Inaccurate

In pic above, For anyone who thinks that they might use methanol, you will want to mount the pump under the car. The seals in the pump will leak over time.







In the two pics above - using zipties, secured the line along the oem metal lines for the evap, gasoline, and rear brake lines. Do not run any lines thru the interior cabin of the car. The nylon/teflon tubing is notorious for developing pin-holes randomly along the hose length over time.







in the two pics above - it is highly recommended that stainless steel braided teflon hose be used in place of the nylon/teflon tubing. The nylon/teflon tubing is notorious for developing pin-holes randomly along the hose length over time.

thisaznboi88

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the pump is not water proof. It says not to mount it outside of the car where it can get wet. I am running the water lines through the cabin on the passenger side under the door sails. I will be bumping it up to 50water/50meth after I test it out with 100% distilled water. Picking up the meth for 5 bucks a gallon.

FCVadi

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read up on meth inside the cabin, scary stuff

Hi speed

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Where are you buying methanol from? I have been getting the mix from Jegs, but at $30 for 4 gallons and $10 shipping, mixing might be a good idea if I end up going thru more of it. My starting psi is set at 6 so I am not using much at the moment, but I will be going to 3 psi as a start point soon and that should increase my usage.

thisaznboi88

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Thanks Inaccurate. I will rewiring it to the outside of the car.

@FCVadi will rewiring so its outside. Its a lot easier since I dont have anywhere else to run the hose. Also keep in mind that i am not running 100% meth. its going to be diluted

@Hi speed I am going to Merced to get it. Since am going to see my gf anyways. I am going to stock up on methanol. would you like some? It is 5 bucks per gallon. I am going to put it in those plastic gas cans.

Inaccurate

If you are running methanol, do NOT have the pump inside the cabin or the trunk. What is easier to replace, you or the pump? True the pump should not get dripping wet, so locate the pump under the car in a spot to keep it as dry as possible. It will be fine.

Or choose Option B, which is to destroy your health Your choice.



EDIT BELOW -

This is good to hear. It is best to have the pump outside in the event that you wish to experiment with pure methanol.... which I think that you will want to do. I left the above reply for other readers to understand the seriousness of pure methanol on the human body.

thisaznboi88

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I posted up the MSDS for methanol its bad, but I worked in a lab before. So its not supertoxic like bromine. However, it can blow up and the flames are invisible.
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927227

just wondering does it also make a different that my trunk is sealed and your car is gutted? Cuz in the trunk there are vents for fresh air to come in.

thisaznboi88

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O yeah I dont plan to use 100% methanol. It will eat threw seals on the pump and on the car.

here an example of it failing due to running it out of operational specifics.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ease-read.html

I hate cars

I can tell you that methanol poisoning is not fun.

The vents in the trunk allow air out but no air in. If there's a failure and even if the meth is not airborne from the leak itself, it will still evaporate inside of the car. It WILL make it's way into the passenger compartment.
This is why you should get a better kit like the razor kit that will work reliably for many years on straight meth. Every component of that system is better. If the kit is not designed for straight meth and you use a 50/50 mix, the mix will still destroy the system, just not as quickly as a straight mixture. I destroyed many old kits using a mixture, it's just a matter of time. The current one has sat for a year at a time without flushing it and it's never failed.

Especially on a NA engine, I would not want a mix. At least with boost you can turn up the wick a little to make up for power lost from the water. NA you can't. Your only hope is to bump the timing if you have the means to do so but then you're back at or near square one.

I hope it all works out for you. I'm interested in the results either way.

thisaznboi88

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Sounds good. I ono I only heard good stuff about Aquamist, and its also a plus that it runs off the fuel injector duty instead of MAP. Dyno won't be a while tho. I got my speeding ticket... 370 pwned

KN_TL

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When I was working with Julio @ AlkyControl, he recommended that I not put any components in the passenger cabin or trunk. His suggestion was to use the windshield washer bottle and find an alternative for the windshield. I lost all my pictures of my setup but I did as others have and mounted my pump near the bottle inside the right bumper.

He said his pumps are 100% methanol safe and also waterproof especially with the rubber boot that comes with his pump.

IHC had nothing but good things to say about Julio and I thought it was worth it to pay more for the peace of mind.

I hate cars

That sucks. I don't know how I've been so lucky.

If you're ever passing through this area or need help with tuning, let me know.

thisaznboi88

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For sure your in Bakersfield right? I will see if I can get an extra day for vacation to come down.

thisaznboi88

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getting 12v and ground to the pump is not a problem. But damn getting through the Fatmat is going to be a bitch

thisaznboi88

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more info. Especially on the knocking part
http://www.tunersgroup.com/Products/aquamist.html

rush

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Watching

FCVadi

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so doing some reading, to confirm the voltage reader basically means when you hit a certain amount of rpm it send a level of voltage to the pump to spray the meth/water into wherever you have the outlet? I guess what I am trying to figure out is how does RPM equate to voltage?

and is there another device that can be used ther than a voltage reader/pump? I know there is manual but could not find anything automated that is similar

thisaznboi88

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^ wait what? So what is the question? The unit is running off the injector pulse width. So if your maxing out your duty cycle then your going to have 100% spray of water/methanol. When you are part-throttle it will also adjust for that , and especially after you got WOT and left off the throttle completely it will shut off *in a MT just like the fuel injectors* instead of still inject if you were to run it off MAP. This is why I think its the best solution for N/A since it is metered instead of an All or nothing situation.

ProbyOne

If you are going to have a trunk mounted tank its good idea to mix enough isopropanol so that you can smell any leaks. It shouldn't take much.

I'm not saying that trunk mounting is a good idea.

ETA: isopropanol = isopropyl alcohol = rubbing alcohol

thisaznboi88

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bought some methanol. 5 gallons 31 bucks.. They raised the price... Still a lot cheaper then buying boost juice.

I hate cars

And don't drink iso alcohol when you run out of whiskey.... I know a guy that knows a guy that tried that one time when he was wasted a lot of years ago....

But true, when my friend's Mercedes was dumping nearly a gallon every few minutes into the trunk it took quite a while to figure out what was wrong, all the while I had every symptom of methanol poisoning.

thisaznboi88

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I have most of the kit hooked up now, but the fuse blew on the control unit... Stupid 5x20mm fuse is so hard to buy. Right now I have almost a 50/50 water meth ratio in the tank right now. I will have pix of how i ran the hose tomorrow, and probably video by Friday.

I hate cars

Looking forward to your results. If it works for you, I might steal the one off the GN that I was going to do a long time ago. The temps are getting into the 80s and my TL is starting to annoy the hell out of me. I swear, every summer it gets worse and worse and at a lower temp each time.

InFaMouSLink

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So you do have a meth thread... LMAO

sub'ed

TRIOD3SIGNS

God I miss these useful conversations. Any chance youll pass through fresno on your way to IHCs place?

114 degree Fresno summers scream for this setup!

thisaznboi88

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I used to live in merced. SO I know what 115 days for 5 days straight are. There was a few days where it hit 120 and I said fuck it I am not driving to school. lol

thisaznboi88

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okay I got it all set up now and am just calibrating the trigger for the injection. I have it around 30-40% throttle right now. I also need to swap to a larger nozzle. I am currently using the 4mm one just to test the spray and to make sure I don't waste my juice.

Inaccurate

Please tell us how is the car reacting. Do you feel much of a difference?

thisaznboi88

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^I will let you know. Right now I am still in the calibration process. So I am not sure if if I am getting enough spray because it seems to be too little.

I have to do the threshold and the mount of fluid being spray. Trying to find the point where there is a slight bump in power but not spray to much that it blogs down the engine.

I hate cars

Looking forward to this as well. Sometimes it's easier to find the point where it bogs and back it off. Mine is running terrible already and it's not even hot. If you're successful, I'm right behind you.

Inaccurate

I am just anxious. You are the pioneer to put WMI on a n/a TL

Inaccurate

IHC - Please try the full version UCM. The acid test for the UCM would be if the UCM could cure your heatsoak blues....

thisaznboi88

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I dont have a TL, but it might work out better for you guys since you have a higher CR then my car. My accord has 10.1:1 and needs 87. Oddly the base TL is 10.5 and needs 91. So I am pretty sure Honda cripple the ECU from the beginning. The TL-S has 11 CR?

Anyways I will have a video 2m of the nozzle firing. I wasted a ton of DI water purging the system. lol

I am using the P2R spacer because it has the 1/8 thread of the nozzle. So I don't have to Drill into my intake or TL-S IM. Ideally I would like to have the nozzle before the TB so that it can mix with more of the incoming air and better equalize the distribution of w/m molecules to each cylinder.

Tank is mounted in the trunk and I will have a hose that run from the cap to the vent in the trunk outside. I don't really smell the methanol from the cabin.

UCM? University of California, Merced?

I hate cars

All 3G TLs have an 11:1 CR.

Inacc, if that UCM could fix my car it could fix anything. If I go on a trip where it's all freeway, it's fine. The first 1-2 stops after I exit the freeway and lose the airflow are fine. Then it's like I lost 50% of the power and I literally floor it from every stoplight just to keep up with traffic and it surges and limps along. It didn't do this when it was new but evey single summer it happens at a lower and lower temperature and the power loss gets worse. That's why I'm glued to this thread.

Inaccurate

^ How do I say this in a nice way.....

YOU SHOULD BE GLUED TO THE UCM THREAD !!!