Project TL: Engine swap has begun!
02-16-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lookinco
Hey, the shop is Advace Motorsport down in Coquitlam. I do not actually own or work there. I am friends with them and they are sponsoring/helping me. I work on my car together with them.
02-16-2007, 09:19 PM
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Okay I did this just for you guys with the 04/05 TL.
2004/2005 TL ECU:
...................................pinout color
Ignition Coil 1...............E20 YEL/GRN
Ignition Coil 2...............E19 BLU/RED
Ignition Coil 3...............E18 WHT/BLU
Ignition Coil 4...............E17 BRN
Ignition Coil 5...............E16 BLK/RED
Ignition Coil 6...............E15 BRN/WHT
Injector 1.....................E21 BRN
Injector 2.....................E31 RED
Injector 3.....................E30 BLU
Injector 4.....................E29 YEL
Injector 5.....................E28 BLK/RED
Injector 6.....................E27 WHT/BLU
VTEC solenoid..............E22 GRN/YEL
VTM VTEC pressure......E23 BLU/BLK
MAP sensor..................D5 GRN/RED
Crank sensor...............D1 BLU/RED
Cam sensor.................D7YEL
Knock sensor...............B6 RED/BLU
IAT sensor...................D16 RED/YEL
Speed sensor..............D14 BLU
Pedal position sensor..D3 RED/BLU
Ignition........................E4 YEL/BLK
Ground........................E1 BLK
Sensor Ground............E2 BLK
2004/2005 TL ECU:
...................................pinout color
Ignition Coil 1...............E20 YEL/GRN
Ignition Coil 2...............E19 BLU/RED
Ignition Coil 3...............E18 WHT/BLU
Ignition Coil 4...............E17 BRN
Ignition Coil 5...............E16 BLK/RED
Ignition Coil 6...............E15 BRN/WHT
Injector 1.....................E21 BRN
Injector 2.....................E31 RED
Injector 3.....................E30 BLU
Injector 4.....................E29 YEL
Injector 5.....................E28 BLK/RED
Injector 6.....................E27 WHT/BLU
VTEC solenoid..............E22 GRN/YEL
VTM VTEC pressure......E23 BLU/BLK
MAP sensor..................D5 GRN/RED
Crank sensor...............D1 BLU/RED
Cam sensor.................D7YEL
Knock sensor...............B6 RED/BLU
IAT sensor...................D16 RED/YEL
Speed sensor..............D14 BLU
Pedal position sensor..D3 RED/BLU
Ignition........................E4 YEL/BLK
Ground........................E1 BLK
Sensor Ground............E2 BLK
02-16-2007, 09:24 PM
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I compared the 03-06 V6 harness and everywire matched the above pin out.
There are 4 exceptions. The Accord harness did not have a wire for the Vtec Solenoid input/ouput, VTM, and VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor). Other than that, all the wires are there at the correct location. The plugs look identical as well.
I also talked to the two V6 Accord guys with the TL supercharger and they said the surging was gone after tuning with the E-manage. They are using stock MAP sensors and stock fuel injectors.
Hope it helps!
There are 4 exceptions. The Accord harness did not have a wire for the Vtec Solenoid input/ouput, VTM, and VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor). Other than that, all the wires are there at the correct location. The plugs look identical as well.
I also talked to the two V6 Accord guys with the TL supercharger and they said the surging was gone after tuning with the E-manage. They are using stock MAP sensors and stock fuel injectors.
Hope it helps!
02-17-2007, 09:41 PM
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Well there are many options that you could go with. You can get either the E-manage blue or the E-manage ultimate. The ultimate has more function and would let you have direct control over the ignition timings and fuel injectors much like a stand alone.
What you would need is the main unit itself and a premade harness. (Only avaliable to 04 and 05 TL because it's the same as the 03-06 V6 Accord harness) Those two will be able to get you running. Of couse you would also need a computer to get it tuned.
There are also a few different options out there, such as the greddy Pressure sensor. The E-manage ultimate also have the ability to read from a wideband 02 sensor 9 (0-5v linear) and have a program to self tune according to the A/F ratio you enter into the table.
What you would need is the main unit itself and a premade harness. (Only avaliable to 04 and 05 TL because it's the same as the 03-06 V6 Accord harness) Those two will be able to get you running. Of couse you would also need a computer to get it tuned.
There are also a few different options out there, such as the greddy Pressure sensor. The E-manage ultimate also have the ability to read from a wideband 02 sensor 9 (0-5v linear) and have a program to self tune according to the A/F ratio you enter into the table.
02-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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Okay, some update. I told myself I have to bring a camera along but I still ended up forgetting.
Anyways, as of today, we bolted the new tranny up to the engine. All that is left to do on Monday is to drop the engine back in, hook up the wires and harness, put the fluids in, and will be good to go!
Hopfully everything will be working the way it should be.
Happy Chinese New Year everyone!
Anyways, as of today, we bolted the new tranny up to the engine. All that is left to do on Monday is to drop the engine back in, hook up the wires and harness, put the fluids in, and will be good to go!
Hopfully everything will be working the way it should be.
Happy Chinese New Year everyone!
02-18-2007, 03:33 PM
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sweet, looks like ill be back in town before this thing is ready! i need some prices on a few things from your buddy's shop, maybe ill pop by next week
02-19-2007, 05:32 PM
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drop in the engine yet???
02-19-2007, 09:08 PM
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So, i finally remember to bring the camera and here are some pictures for you guys.
Here, tranny bolted onto the engine, ready to go back into the car.
After all the hard work....
Here is a picture of the old block..
Test fitting the new rim...
So engine is back into the car, cats, exhaust, axles, radiator, etc etc are all back in......tomorrow we will put the supercharger in, fill all the liquid up, and we can start it!
Here, tranny bolted onto the engine, ready to go back into the car.
After all the hard work....
Here is a picture of the old block..
Test fitting the new rim...
So engine is back into the car, cats, exhaust, axles, radiator, etc etc are all back in......tomorrow we will put the supercharger in, fill all the liquid up, and we can start it!
02-19-2007, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lookinco
Yep..pics coming...
02-19-2007, 09:13 PM
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....YOU'RE MY BOY BLUE! you're my boy! (will ferrell)
congratulations on the drop in! thanks for the pictures!
congratulations on the drop in! thanks for the pictures!
02-20-2007, 01:32 PM
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Thanks guys! Yes that's the Rotora BBK setup. And yes I will make a video later when everything is up and running. Hopfully we will know if the car is running today!
02-20-2007, 05:26 PM
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Thanks guys! Yes that's the Rotora BBK setup. And yes I will make a video later when everything is up and running. Hopfully we will know if the car is running today!
Good to hear things are going well!!! Haha...that is Ken in those pics eh!!!
Maybe I will see your S/C TL this coming Acura Meet on Sunday finally.
02-20-2007, 10:16 PM
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I would suggest to relocate the battery to the trunk while you've got everything out, unless you've already done so.
02-22-2007, 06:11 PM
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Hey guys, sorry to disappoint you guys this time. We got everything back in, engine started up, and guess what, tranny still doesn't work.
We then asked my friend with a stock TL to compare and we FINALLY found out what the problem is.
The MDX/RL crankshaft is shorter !!!!!!!! Because the crankshaft is shorter, the whole torque converter assembly is shifted to the engine side for about 1cm, that's why the tranny didn't work. We located a drive plate from a MDX which should offset and move the torque converter back to it's orignal location.
I guess i am both frustrated and happy about this. We FINALLY found out what the problem is, and that when we put in the MDX drive plate we are also going to put in the Dr.Evil Torque converter so that don't go to waste. I am also going to return the new tranny that I just bought. (They sent the 04/05 one which was not really compatible anyways). The bad side is, this project is seriosuly taking FOREVER to get done.
I will be heading to california for 10 days today, so I guess I will update again once I get more news from the shop!
We then asked my friend with a stock TL to compare and we FINALLY found out what the problem is.
The MDX/RL crankshaft is shorter !!!!!!!! Because the crankshaft is shorter, the whole torque converter assembly is shifted to the engine side for about 1cm, that's why the tranny didn't work. We located a drive plate from a MDX which should offset and move the torque converter back to it's orignal location.
I guess i am both frustrated and happy about this. We FINALLY found out what the problem is, and that when we put in the MDX drive plate we are also going to put in the Dr.Evil Torque converter so that don't go to waste. I am also going to return the new tranny that I just bought. (They sent the 04/05 one which was not really compatible anyways). The bad side is, this project is seriosuly taking FOREVER to get done.
I will be heading to california for 10 days today, so I guess I will update again once I get more news from the shop!
02-23-2007, 03:03 AM
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So the MDX crank was SHORT. That is the reason? Pretty stupid IMO.
Not trying to knock you, but you have waisted all MDX internals (except CL-S pistons), time and money. Your shop should've place the MDX crankshaft right next to your stock one and see if there is any difference in length and what not before continue with assembly.
What this means now is that you have to get new '07 TL-S crank/all main bearings/rods and once the block is assembled bolt everything up again.
Holy sh#t that takes more money and time. So, now I'd rather go with new fully assembled '07 TL-S block and bolt everything up. Especially, when NEW COMPLETE TL-S BLOCK is only $1083 (acuraautomotiveparts.org).
Good luck!
P.S. And it was funny how some blamed Dr. Evil at first
Not trying to knock you, but you have waisted all MDX internals (except CL-S pistons), time and money. Your shop should've place the MDX crankshaft right next to your stock one and see if there is any difference in length and what not before continue with assembly.
What this means now is that you have to get new '07 TL-S crank/all main bearings/rods and once the block is assembled bolt everything up again.
Holy sh#t that takes more money and time. So, now I'd rather go with new fully assembled '07 TL-S block and bolt everything up. Especially, when NEW COMPLETE TL-S BLOCK is only $1083 (acuraautomotiveparts.org).
Good luck!
P.S. And it was funny how some blamed Dr. Evil at first
02-23-2007, 03:58 AM
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Actually you are wrong. First we know the combo worked because people with the manual transmission got it to work perfectly. I am the first to do it with the automatic and thus no one expected to see this problem.
Secondly why would I have to buy new parts? LOL... All i need is a MDX drive plate that cost $50 new but I got it for free from a friend in the junk yard. All it does is offset the torque converter so it goes back to its oringal location.
Good luck getting the TL-S block to work, unless you are planning to get the TL-S tranny, or else it won't bolt up.
I never really blamed Dr.Evil, we only suspected it and never proofed anything. It was CleanCL who came up with the post that complained about Dr.Evil.
Secondly why would I have to buy new parts? LOL... All i need is a MDX drive plate that cost $50 new but I got it for free from a friend in the junk yard. All it does is offset the torque converter so it goes back to its oringal location.
Good luck getting the TL-S block to work, unless you are planning to get the TL-S tranny, or else it won't bolt up.
I never really blamed Dr.Evil, we only suspected it and never proofed anything. It was CleanCL who came up with the post that complained about Dr.Evil.