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07-08-2008, 09:05 PM
#244
stock (type-s 600/cell)
richie is making a 300/cell cat.. but its $300.... i dont want to open my exhaust too much, the car will sound like a lawn mower
putting a resonator in there (in place of the 3rd cat) seems kinda like a cool idea , but i dont wanna RUIN the atmostphere
richie is making a 300/cell cat.. but its $300.... i dont want to open my exhaust too much, the car will sound like a lawn mower
putting a resonator in there (in place of the 3rd cat) seems kinda like a cool idea , but i dont wanna RUIN the atmostphere
07-08-2008, 09:07 PM
#245
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
mine doesnt rasp at ALL right now... i dont plan on removing the 3rd cat...... not yet atleast 
Hmm.. guess I'll be removing the J-pipe wrap prior to install, I wrapped it so nicely too...
07-08-2008, 09:13 PM
#246
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
stock (type-s 600/cell)
richie is making a 300/cell cat.. but its $300.... i dont want to open my exhaust too much, the car will sound like a lawn mower
putting a resonator in there (in place of the 3rd cat) seems kinda like a cool idea , but i dont wanna RUIN the atmostphere
richie is making a 300/cell cat.. but its $300.... i dont want to open my exhaust too much, the car will sound like a lawn mower
putting a resonator in there (in place of the 3rd cat) seems kinda like a cool idea , but i dont wanna RUIN the atmostphere
Stock TL... 1100 cells per in
TL-S... 900 cells per in
Pro-Cats... 600 cells per in
Ritchie...? $300's not bad. Pro-Cats were $1100, and the quality was terrible. Ritchie's work looks great. I'm holding out to see what Mike at ATLP is gonna do.
Thanks for considering the environmental implications of this mod.
07-08-2008, 09:22 PM
#247
HIGH-FLOW EXHAUST SYSTEM WITH CLOSE-COUPLED CATALYZERS
To reduce weight and move the engine's two primary catalytic converters as close as possible to the combustion chambers, the TL and TL Type-S exhaust manifolds are cast right into the cylinder heads. A 900-cell per-square-inch (600-cell per-square-inch in Type-S) high efficiency converter mounts directly to the exhaust port of each cylinder head for extremely rapid converter light off after the engine starts. This mounting system has the added benefit of eliminating traditional exhaust header pipes for a significant weight savings.
To ensure optimum flow and reduce backpressure, a hydroformed 2-into-1 collector pipe carries spent gases down to a 350 cell per-square-inch secondary converter under the passenger cabin.
After the catalytic converter, the TL Type-S exhaust flows through two underfloor mufflers and dual rear silencers to reduce backpressure.
The TL Type-S features an exhaust system with 14 percent better flow than the TL, with larger pipes through much of its length. Tuned for an aggressive sound befitting
the high-performance image of the Type-S, the system also features finishers with large quad outlets (two on each side).
http://www.hondanews.com/search/rele...ockers&s=acura
To reduce weight and move the engine's two primary catalytic converters as close as possible to the combustion chambers, the TL and TL Type-S exhaust manifolds are cast right into the cylinder heads. A 900-cell per-square-inch (600-cell per-square-inch in Type-S) high efficiency converter mounts directly to the exhaust port of each cylinder head for extremely rapid converter light off after the engine starts. This mounting system has the added benefit of eliminating traditional exhaust header pipes for a significant weight savings.
To ensure optimum flow and reduce backpressure, a hydroformed 2-into-1 collector pipe carries spent gases down to a 350 cell per-square-inch secondary converter under the passenger cabin.
After the catalytic converter, the TL Type-S exhaust flows through two underfloor mufflers and dual rear silencers to reduce backpressure.
The TL Type-S features an exhaust system with 14 percent better flow than the TL, with larger pipes through much of its length. Tuned for an aggressive sound befitting
the high-performance image of the Type-S, the system also features finishers with large quad outlets (two on each side).
http://www.hondanews.com/search/rele...ockers&s=acura
07-08-2008, 10:28 PM
#249
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
900cell Base TL cat
600cell Type S cat
350cell is the 3rd cat
so in all actuality, a 300cell/in 3rd cat would be a waste of money
600cell Type S cat
350cell is the 3rd cat
so in all actuality, a 300cell/in 3rd cat would be a waste of money
Not to
but am I wasting time and money here? I think I am doing the right thing here but over my head.......again Right now I am ATLP exhaust, jpipe, and megan test tipe as the third cat. The only thing I was thinking I was missing was the 2 procats which I bought from stillhere143.
Do I even waste the time installing them or stay on my original thought?
SC-06-5AT
07-08-2008, 11:18 PM
#251
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
900cell Base TL cat
600cell Type S cat
350cell is the 3rd cat
so in all actuality, a 300cell/in 3rd cat would be a waste of money
600cell Type S cat
350cell is the 3rd cat
so in all actuality, a 300cell/in 3rd cat would be a waste of money
Sorry AZ was having server trouble before. .i didnt get to finish this
Eshift Primary Cats 200 cell/in
Eshift 3rd Cat - 200 cell/in
Type S Primary Cats - 600 cell/in
Type S 3rd Cat - 350 cell/in
Base TL Primary Cats - 900 cell/in
Base TL 3rd Cat - 350 cell/in
Richie V6 HiFlow 3rd Cat - 300 cell/in ((not available yet))
Test Pipes of all kinds, obviously, 0 cell/in
Test pipes are cheap
Cats are NOT cheap... why? because their substrates are usually contain platinum
07-08-2008, 11:28 PM
#252
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
whats your original thought?
The e-shift pro-cats were 200 cell/in... highest flowing of all
me personally, would rather delete the first two cats, and keep some type of cat in place in the 3rd cat slot
The e-shift pro-cats were 200 cell/in... highest flowing of all
me personally, would rather delete the first two cats, and keep some type of cat in place in the 3rd cat slot
Again really not trying to
but should I uninstall the third megan pipe and install the third procat.Do I run a risk of throwing a check engine light?
How I am now and I thought-
stock preliminary cats- sucks for sc (but no replacements available)
third test pipe made it better and would not throw a check engine light- which it has not
Should I be:
All e-shift or two e-shifts with megan?
07-09-2008, 06:30 AM
#253
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
HIGH-FLOW EXHAUST SYSTEM WITH CLOSE-COUPLED CATALYZERS
To reduce weight and move the engine's two primary catalytic converters as close as possible to the combustion chambers, the TL and TL Type-S exhaust manifolds are cast right into the cylinder heads. A 900-cell per-square-inch (600-cell per-square-inch in Type-S) high efficiency converter mounts directly to the exhaust port of each cylinder head for extremely rapid converter light off after the engine starts. This mounting system has the added benefit of eliminating traditional exhaust header pipes for a significant weight savings.
To ensure optimum flow and reduce backpressure, a hydroformed 2-into-1 collector pipe carries spent gases down to a 350 cell per-square-inch secondary converter under the passenger cabin.
After the catalytic converter, the TL Type-S exhaust flows through two underfloor mufflers and dual rear silencers to reduce backpressure.
The TL Type-S features an exhaust system with 14 percent better flow than the TL, with larger pipes through much of its length. Tuned for an aggressive sound befitting
the high-performance image of the Type-S, the system also features finishers with large quad outlets (two on each side).
http://www.hondanews.com/search/rele...ockers&s=acura
To reduce weight and move the engine's two primary catalytic converters as close as possible to the combustion chambers, the TL and TL Type-S exhaust manifolds are cast right into the cylinder heads. A 900-cell per-square-inch (600-cell per-square-inch in Type-S) high efficiency converter mounts directly to the exhaust port of each cylinder head for extremely rapid converter light off after the engine starts. This mounting system has the added benefit of eliminating traditional exhaust header pipes for a significant weight savings.
To ensure optimum flow and reduce backpressure, a hydroformed 2-into-1 collector pipe carries spent gases down to a 350 cell per-square-inch secondary converter under the passenger cabin.
After the catalytic converter, the TL Type-S exhaust flows through two underfloor mufflers and dual rear silencers to reduce backpressure.
The TL Type-S features an exhaust system with 14 percent better flow than the TL, with larger pipes through much of its length. Tuned for an aggressive sound befitting
the high-performance image of the Type-S, the system also features finishers with large quad outlets (two on each side).
http://www.hondanews.com/search/rele...ockers&s=acura
07-09-2008, 07:09 AM
#254
Quiet, Rika Neenja!
dang... these are definitely going on and I have zero rasp with my less-than-24-hr-old exhaust... if I get rasp or drone what's the next step, another resonator? I have the verocious ultra quiet resonator now...
07-09-2008, 07:17 AM
#255
Originally Posted by Kennedy
That's cool... I was looking for that article to post here. Dunno where I got the other numbers from... Perhaps I got lost in all the misinfomred discussion, which i'm now guilty of... Thanks for the clarification.
actually, im happy i looked it up last night to post.. because i never knew that the 3rd cat was 350 cell/in... so buying a 300 cell/in cat would be pretty pointless at $300.... unless it relieved the 3rd cat of its "bottlenecking" problem
07-09-2008, 07:21 AM
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The 3rd procat is 2.25"... So if you have an atlp exhaust with or without the atlp or richie v6 jpipe you are bottle knecking
The stock third cat is also 2.25"...
Just thought you guys should know...
Bent, just let me know if you want all 3... Or 2... Via pm... Laters
The stock third cat is also 2.25"...
Just thought you guys should know...
Bent, just let me know if you want all 3... Or 2... Via pm... Laters
07-09-2008, 10:02 AM
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in all honestly I FRIGGIN HATE FEDEX... everytime I am getting something they friggin wake me up 
the newborn babies
Gotta give props to richie for attention to detail, not even gonna ask dude... but props for it
the newborn babies
Gotta give props to richie for attention to detail, not even gonna ask dude... but props for it
07-09-2008, 10:18 AM
#258
Quiet, Rika Neenja!
you got two pairs?
P.S. install them now and do a how to!!!! I gotta put them on Saturday and I need one of you awesome competant people to show me how!
P.S. install them now and do a how to!!!! I gotta put them on Saturday and I need one of you awesome competant people to show me how!
07-09-2008, 12:08 PM
#262
Originally Posted by SRT-11
As far as install I'm assuming it's just dropping the j pipe then removing the o2 sensors then the 4 nuts...?
From a "procat" install thread, which is virtaully the same.
If you are handy with tools it is something you could do yourself. It was really hard, you ust have to take alot apart. To do this install, you will need to put it up on jackstands, then
1)Remove all the plastic shrouding under the hood, the strut bar and the engine cover.
2) You will need to remove the passenger side electric fan. They are sepereate so one can be removed with out the other having to come out.
3) The Cruise Control Module on the passenger side of the motor will need to be unbolted and just moved out over the motor. (This will free up room to bring the cat up through the engine bay.
4) Remove the Plastic under carrage cover that runs under the drivers side of the car.
5) You can then remove the mid pipe, this is the pipe that connects the front cats to the back cat.
6) Then the rear cat can be removed.
7) You will need to unplug the O2 sensor and pull the harness loose from the car, do not try to remove it from the cat while still in the car.
8) You can then remove the front cat.
9) Now on the rear, you will want to remove the heat shielding from the cat before unbolting it from the head.
10) Once shroud is removed you can unbolt it. You will want to pull it up and out of the top of the engine.
To put back together, do it all in reverse order. This is the quick and easy steps. Its really not that bad, and with minor install ability, you should be able to do this.
The only thing I would add to this is I installed the Rear Cat by bringing it up from under the car. I couldn't get it lined up from bringing it in up top. I had to remove the axcel sheild to get it in from the bottom. I got it lined up and put on the nuts on but before I tighten them up I had to put the sheild back on. Other than that it went pretty well.
1)Remove all the plastic shrouding under the hood, the strut bar and the engine cover.
2) You will need to remove the passenger side electric fan. They are sepereate so one can be removed with out the other having to come out.
3) The Cruise Control Module on the passenger side of the motor will need to be unbolted and just moved out over the motor. (This will free up room to bring the cat up through the engine bay.
4) Remove the Plastic under carrage cover that runs under the drivers side of the car.
5) You can then remove the mid pipe, this is the pipe that connects the front cats to the back cat.
6) Then the rear cat can be removed.
7) You will need to unplug the O2 sensor and pull the harness loose from the car, do not try to remove it from the cat while still in the car.
8) You can then remove the front cat.
9) Now on the rear, you will want to remove the heat shielding from the cat before unbolting it from the head.
10) Once shroud is removed you can unbolt it. You will want to pull it up and out of the top of the engine.
To put back together, do it all in reverse order. This is the quick and easy steps. Its really not that bad, and with minor install ability, you should be able to do this.
The only thing I would add to this is I installed the Rear Cat by bringing it up from under the car. I couldn't get it lined up from bringing it in up top. I had to remove the axcel sheild to get it in from the bottom. I got it lined up and put on the nuts on but before I tighten them up I had to put the sheild back on. Other than that it went pretty well.
07-09-2008, 12:21 PM
#263
how many ppl are actually replacing their Procats with test pipes?
i'm going to decide today if im going to order them but i'm really worried abt rasp bc i have a pretty free flowing exhaust and Jpipe. i'm currently running front two procats, custom jpipe (cant run a third cat) on my comptech exhaust. i'd want to run a third cat along with the test pipes but my jpipe wont allow it.
I fear that with a totally catless exhaust my car will stink and sound like crap.
i'm going to decide today if im going to order them but i'm really worried abt rasp bc i have a pretty free flowing exhaust and Jpipe. i'm currently running front two procats, custom jpipe (cant run a third cat) on my comptech exhaust. i'd want to run a third cat along with the test pipes but my jpipe wont allow it.
I fear that with a totally catless exhaust my car will stink and sound like crap.
07-09-2008, 06:01 PM
#264
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Any 4 cyl car with no cat sounds like crap, but you're driving a 3.2L....It's gonna sound decent either way. Just go catless if you van get away with it emissions wise, you'll be good for a few extra usable horses...you want hp right?
07-09-2008, 07:41 PM
#265
Originally Posted by Ken240sx
Just go catless if you van get away with it emissions wise, you'll be good for a few extra usable horses...you want hp right?
Glad you're young so you can live in the world you're building.
07-09-2008, 07:53 PM
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lol, cause you drive an electric right?
fyi I own a TL, 240sx, accent, and an insight...just the insight alone gets more gas mileage than the TL and the 240 together...also the TL is a honda, low emissions compared to my 240...Cause the environment's state is our generations fault cause we're the ones that based the country off of oil consumption and drove 8mpg gas guzzling cars of the 70's and before....If you cared so much about the environment you wouldn't be driving a TL.
fyi I own a TL, 240sx, accent, and an insight...just the insight alone gets more gas mileage than the TL and the 240 together...also the TL is a honda, low emissions compared to my 240...Cause the environment's state is our generations fault cause we're the ones that based the country off of oil consumption and drove 8mpg gas guzzling cars of the 70's and before....If you cared so much about the environment you wouldn't be driving a TL.
07-09-2008, 08:05 PM
#267
Originally Posted by Ken240sx
lol, cause you drive an electric right?
I am vehemently against these on daily driven cars. These are track car mods... and it's exceptionally irresponsible (and a Federal f'ing offense btw) to completely remove the emissions equipment on a street car. To consciously make the decision to remove all of them for 4 or LESS additional fucking HP on a 3500 lb is car is just plain stupid.
Catalytic converters are exceptionally effecient and effective... At least run something.
Don't agree? Google why the summer Olympics in China are going to FAIL. Athlete's are afraid to breathe the air. That's what no emissions standards does for your environement. Thanks for ignorant contribution to the problem for 4 more HP you'll never use... or use irresponsibly in street race, and likely lose in your 3500lb luxury sedan with a measly <300hp.
I truly care. Clearly you do not.
07-09-2008, 08:16 PM
#268
Honestly, i too am hoping to gain a few ponies, but its not the main reason i purchased them
I am looking to beef-up my exhaust note, and dress up the engine bay. This is why i plan to retain the 3rd cat to suck up atleast SOME of the emissions/stink/rasp
Alot of people went with the Test pipe route, from my knowledge of exhaust and this car, i think these would be a slightly better gain with less "rasp"... but im not exhaust genius
Also, again... like Lenny from of Mice and Men.... they sure are pu-urrtty
I am looking to beef-up my exhaust note, and dress up the engine bay. This is why i plan to retain the 3rd cat to suck up atleast SOME of the emissions/stink/rasp
Alot of people went with the Test pipe route, from my knowledge of exhaust and this car, i think these would be a slightly better gain with less "rasp"... but im not exhaust genius
Also, again... like Lenny from of Mice and Men.... they sure are pu-urrtty
07-09-2008, 08:37 PM
#270
'10 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
I'm surprised so many of y'all jumped on the catless boat, I was planning on just doing type-S primary cats and ATLP J-pipe, that way I'll maintain ULEV status and probably gain 5whp.
07-09-2008, 08:40 PM
#272
Originally Posted by Eoanou
I'm surprised so many of y'all jumped on the catless boat, I was planning on just doing type-S primary cats and ATLP J-pipe, that way I'll maintain ULEV status and probably gain 5whp.
and I cannot wait to see before and after gains on a Type-S. I'm betting it's gonna be very little... as in less than 10 hp.
07-09-2008, 08:47 PM
#273
Originally Posted by Kennedy
That's what I did... and that was a great bump in power
and I cannot wait to see before and after gains on a Type-S. I'm betting it's gonna be very little... as in less than 10 hp.
and I cannot wait to see before and after gains on a Type-S. I'm betting it's gonna be very little... as in less than 10 hp.
In Richies dyno, he gained 15whp with Jpipe, Exhaust and Precats.. however, it was an 03+ Accord V6 6MT, and it was using his jpipe.
granted, my exhaust was good for 11whp, and jpipe was good for 12whp(seperately dyno'ed) i would say about 5-6 whp is a safe bet... if that
07-09-2008, 09:10 PM
#274
Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
oh, and i just wanted to add.... i think doing this mod in Cali, would be even more offensive, (sorry ussi) but isnt their emissions more strict, because So.Cal is seriously over polluted?
I'm going to have to agree with Kennedy on this. This isn't a bad mod performance wise, but run AT least one cat.
07-09-2008, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
oh, and i just wanted to add.... i think doing this mod in Cali, would be even more offensive, (sorry ussi) but isnt their emissions more strict, because So.Cal is seriously over polluted?
thats the unbiased truth!..not everyone there is, just a large percentage
07-10-2008, 12:07 AM
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very same crease on the factory cats... Trust guys, richie paid attention to detailIt took me 4 hours + to install these... TheWander316 let me borrow his car as the test subject for these
He is the first TL to be running these, I made sure of it because his car was on the lift before noon hehhehehehe
As he stated videos coming soon, almost done editing
07-10-2008, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWanderer316
videos coming shortly...
56k... Say goodnight cuz even if you load it for 15mins it might not play
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14895933YA4mGfxq?
For all you friggin youtube fanboyz... Boycott compressedtube.. Slowtube.. Butchertube...
http://www.youtube.com/v/KIBJNDW6yGk
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