Sonnick

Yea I meant the SH-AWD manifold. The 09 and 11 are the same. I'm figuring if I get the manifold and cover, I can sell my ported manifold and spend less. I'd wait for the TB because it's $$, and probably do a 3.5 or 4" intake.

swoosh

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^^^ exactly my thoughts....

am thinking of buying the manifold + cover and selling my PNP manifold + cover + PNP MDX spacer.....this should even out the cost....

then buy the TB and make a 4" custom intake.....sell the bored TB + AEM V1....that should hurt me by couple hundred dollars....well lets see how it goes....

Hacura

***Update

I installed everything and fired up the champ. At first it sounded like there was a vacuum/air leak somewhere on the left side of the manifold but everyone else said it was fine. I may need someone to confirm this. I took it out for a drive and have to say my butt dyno senses that I gained more power than the stock type-s to J-pipe install alone. Is this possible with PnP Runners and IM, 1/2" MPP IM spacer with 1 P2R gasket, 1" MPP TB spacer with 2 P2R gaskets and Maxbore TB?



The car pulls harder than hell in every gear and just feel like it freaking glides effortlessly (much, much more so than before). It actually feels as if I gained low end power. I dipped into it off a roll and damn near lost control - it was unleashed. On the freeway it's just euphoric. I have to say I'm quite surprised and didn't expect this.

disclaimer - I've been driving the old trusty Accord LX for two weeks after vacation before jumping into the TL yesterday.

swoosh

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Great Update bro !!! glad you are enjoying this mod

ethenol

Pics???????? I would like to see how the engraving looks.. You are the first the have the engravement. Glad to hear everything is good. And a butt dyno never lies...HAHA

swoosh

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^^^ dont ask him to remove everything and take pix....he might break couple more bolts

ethenol

^^ Just want to see the TB spacer. Still working on the engraving program and spacing

Atlas.46

so you make an intake manifold space and an TB spacer too?

ethenol

^^^ yes

Atlas.46

I feel like you may be getting money from me in a couple weeks...

Hacura

I'll get some pics up by the end of the week. It looks fine but TBH, I would've liked the clean look as the engraving is a little large.

swoosh

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I just wanted to post this as someone was asking me about my TB....I have all the stuff for sale @ https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...3#post13698003 also adding that link to my sig

Hacura

Here's a phone pic of the engine bay with MPP on the TB spacer. It looks good; I think it would look cleaner if the MPP was smaller.

Funny to see the ray of light shining on the engine. I think God is smiling upon my engine lately...wish he was there the other night driving home.

swoosh

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aaaah i see keith added the engraving.....

if you didnt like the engraving you should have just flipped it

rockstar143

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Looks excellent...

I am glad I left my spacer on...I don't get why there's such a divide on this mod...one guy on here is saying he got his throttle response back when he REMOVED it. I don't feel any lack of throttle response at all!

Then again, I've been driving super chill since my ticket last week.

swoosh

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^^^ have you done the coolant bypass mods Jer ?

Hacura

It's time for the Valentine 1. I got a ticket before vacation and had to swallow 4 bills.

I thought of that but was all hyped up about it being exclusive since I didn't see it on any other pictures. Keith did confirm it was the first . Then after looking back at some other pics I prefer the clean look. I'll change it if I ever get a CAI or am back in there.

rockstar143

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Swoosh, I did the coolant bypass about 3 years ago.
Hac...I have a V1...it was a careless driving ticket, the guy didn't know how fast i was going, but he didn't like how i was cutting through the lanes. Last speeding ticket I got was in 2004...the year i bought my Valentine!

swoosh

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hahaha yeah the engraving is a new thing....congrats on being #1 on that !!!



sweet....yeah just wanted to make sure you making the more of the TBS and the thermal gaskets (hope you have em)

kjelly

Dang, that TBS is huge! Hows does that compare to P2R's?

swoosh

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P2R is 0.75" wide
KPP is 1" wide

P2R has a 66mm bore
KPP has a 70mm bore

i have comparison pix somewhere !!!

Atlas.46

Is this spacer only for the 3.7 manifold or will it work with the 3.5 mag manifold?

I thinking about going with a 3.5 mag manifold(get it ported), tb spacer, and eventually a skunk2 DBW TB. Which If im right should bolt up to the 3.5 mag manifold since the newer civics are using the oem J35 TBs as an upgrade.

ethenol

My tbs are 1" 70 bore. And engraved or non engraved. I will be sending Hacura a new one in a a couple weeks. I want a happy customer. And they work from 04 to Mag manis not on the 4th gen stuff. Working on that also. Because some of you have 4th gen manis

ethenol

It's MPP...LOL

InFaMouSLink

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Keith performance parts??? Lmao

swoosh

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^^^

yeah its MPP....Moores Performance Parts

InFaMouSLink

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Finally got around to it...

InFaMouSLink

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i removed my mani the other day cuz i was leaking antifreeze from the water passage and noticed that my gasket was completely in tack.. Its been on there since Canam 2011 which was August and probably seen 2000 miles since...


Either way, while there my EGR port was completely covered in nasty ass stuff so i cleaned that out as well...

05_NBP_TL

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^ that is the worst i have ever seen before.

Glad you got that all cleaned up.

rooster415

hmm can i spray the WHOLE thing with brake cleaner?

InFaMouSLink

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ummmm idk. the temp sensor is there and i wouldn't want to mix brake cleaner with antifreeze... i sprayed just the egr passages(2) and removed the EGR

rooster415

cool thanks

swoosh

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well done ALEX....that EGR port looked nasty !!!

also did you just polish your runners or port em out as well ? you do the diameter on the ports ?

brian6speed

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For those runners you posted pics of, I would recommend not sanding the area the gasket sits.

way-acura

In case anyone is on the fence on this mod, like I was. I just installed the ported intake manifold from gerzand and outlaw IM spacer and can highly recommend. I have a 2005 base tl.

Overall there is performance gain from 3,000 rpm and up. The intake also seems to have a little more noise or growl to it. Added benefit is that mileage is a little higher. After about a week of use, my mpg seems about 0.5 higher. This probably a combination of both the ported manifold and thermo spacer.

The overall gain seems slightly less than the j-pipe, but more than any of my other "bolt ons". This includes the type-s cats and ur pulley.

hondazex

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manifold 3.7 is better or not ???? is you use p2r runner+pnp im+max bore 3.7 tb you will get more power against 3g pnp im and max bore tb !!! no ??

swoosh

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I vote for yes....

its an expensive deal but i like it....

am running a 4" intake to SHAWD TB (81/72) to SHAWD Manifold (75/45) to ported and polished 3.2 runners (45/stock) and i love the setup

komet

So I received my intake manifold and runners from gerzand about three weeks ago and have been playing around with them long enough to let me post my thoughts so far. FYI, I also upgraded my XLR8 J-Pipe from V1 to V2 at the same time and my experience is not backed by any dynos, so take it as you will.

Before and After:

Gerzand did an excellent job removing all of the gunk from the manifold and runners. By itself, removing the build up of junk represents a decent power gain. While everything was apart, my friend and I also took the time to clean the intake ports of each cylinder head. These ports also had a decent amount of gunk build up.

Gerzand also did an excellent job of polishing and porting the manifold and runner surfaces while maintaining the stock "inlet" width on each part (he explained that it is better to remove material from the inside of the parts than to expand the inlets). This is an added plus because there is no need to cut gaskets or anything crazy like that.

Before:



After:









Performance Gains:

While I did state before that I upgraded my J-Pipe to a more recent model, there is no doubt in my mind that this mod greatly increased the power in the upper RPM range.

Third, second, and (if you dare) first gear are downright scary at WOT. I'm not saying there is any wheel spin or anything, but the torque steer will bite you if you aren't ready for it. The acceleration is just brutal beyond 5,000 RPM. Honestly, that's the only way I can describe it.

Throttle response is also notably better. When downshifting, I feel as though the throttle is more accurate and lands the engine RPMs much more closely to where I need them to be. Before this mod I found that I would land the RPMs just a tad short of where I would like them to be when rev-matching. Now, even when driving normally, I find it much easier to smoothly rev-match my downshifts.

Additionally, from a stop, it seems as though I don't need to push the throttle quite as far to smoothly engage first gear. So there are definitely some lower end gains to speak of as well.

Other Differences:

As other users have stated, there is definitely a fuel milage improvement that accompanies this mod. According to the trip computer, I am currently netting 26 MPG with an average speed of 31 MPH. Normally during the summer, I find it very difficult to get more than 300 miles out of a tank when driving my normal commute (which is 15 miles each way with 70% city driving). Honestly, I have to drive more before confirming whether or not porting and polishing the intake runners and manifold improved my MPG. Regardless, I did not go this route because I wanted better fuel milage, and thus do not expect to get better fuel milage.

It would be a neat side effect though



Wrap Up:

So what's the bottom line?

For the money spent, this mod is equal to the price to performance ratio of a J-Pipe. The only downsides are having to rip apart the top of the engine and the down time for the car while the parts are worked on (if this is the route you choose to go). Also getting the gaskets can be a pain and as well as a hidden cost.

Overall though, I highly recommend this mod if you are looking for something that is both cost effective and notably enjoyable.

swoosh

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Gerzand (Andy) does GREAT motherfucking work !!!

Sonnick

Below is my 'gasket-matched' 3.7 manifold. The stock 2012 IM gasket matches perfectly to my ported runners so I had the manifold gasket matched so it would line up. The guy did a pretty good job. One port (assuming the last one he did) doesn't 'taper' as smoothly as the others, but I don't think it will be a big deal.

My question is....if I buy the P2R Thermal gasket, will I need to get that bored out as well? Or does it come slightly larger than stock anyway? Could anyone measure it?




Here are thisaznboi's ported runners (great job man!)



And here is the Maxbore bored TB...again, awesome job.