Ported/Polished Upper Intake Manifold and Runners!
#961
Mom why is there two?
Phenolic................... Look it up guys!!!! I already commented on your post about that type of plastic. Once on, it is done non reusable! It is cheap to produce ans machine that is why a lot of people use it.......
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mother$%#$%^
talk to p2r and ask for a refund
thats 40 bucks a pop !!!
talk to p2r and ask for a refund
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#964
Any comments on your IM spacer and turbulence? It looks like a damn fine product.
Yeah I wish I knew this before ordering both IM gaskets.
#965
Mom why is there two?
They work. Just dont take your manifold back off. If you do you will prob need another set. Or you just run 2 steel stock gaskets and you can take it off and put it on as much as you want. You will be fine. They are non reusable remember that.
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OK, that makes sense. If the gaskets melt, will the bolts need to be tightened again after a certain setting time?
#968
I'm opening up my parts just now and noticed a few things:
1. One of the runner openings is not completely round, it has a slight notch in it:
![](http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee464/darkmatter1980/runners.jpg)
2. The IM spacer isn't port matched to the IM. Isn't it supposed to be? Here's a picture of the spacer sitting on top on the IM. The IM spacer has a wider opening.
![](http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee464/darkmatter1980/IMspacer.jpg)
3. All of the parts where air will flow don't appear to be completely clean and free of fine metallic residue. Should I just clean with isopropyl alcohol and proceed?
1. One of the runner openings is not completely round, it has a slight notch in it:
![](http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee464/darkmatter1980/runners.jpg)
2. The IM spacer isn't port matched to the IM. Isn't it supposed to be? Here's a picture of the spacer sitting on top on the IM. The IM spacer has a wider opening.
![](http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee464/darkmatter1980/IMspacer.jpg)
3. All of the parts where air will flow don't appear to be completely clean and free of fine metallic residue. Should I just clean with isopropyl alcohol and proceed?
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where did you buy the runenrs from? Here is what mine looks like. Very little of the seam is left. Get a dremel and sand it down some what
![](http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/thisaznboi88/c2ec19ae.jpg)
as for the spacers. Look at the bolt holes... They aren't even lined up. Line them up correct and they should be mostly match I think.
Clean the parts with brake fluid cleaner. You don't want any those of residue inside of your engine.
![](http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/thisaznboi88/c2ec19ae.jpg)
as for the spacers. Look at the bolt holes... They aren't even lined up. Line them up correct and they should be mostly match I think.
Clean the parts with brake fluid cleaner. You don't want any those of residue inside of your engine.
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^^^ i agree with that azn boi ![Snicker](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/emot-laugh.gif)
this is bound to happen when you get parts from 2 different area....am guessing the IM spacer is from KPP which has a 46.xxmm opening and the runners are from Andy which have a 44.xx opening....
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this is bound to happen when you get parts from 2 different area....am guessing the IM spacer is from KPP which has a 46.xxmm opening and the runners are from Andy which have a 44.xx opening....
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The runners are from my car; I sent them to be worked on. Everything else is fine except for one runner opening in the pic. The seam only shows in this one opening.
Even after lining up the IM spacer holes, there is still a difference.
Everything is from MPP.
Even after lining up the IM spacer holes, there is still a difference.
Everything is from MPP.
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^^^ Moores Performance Parts....Owned by Keith (ethanol)....
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@ Swoosh Thanks man
@ Hacura its probably a casting issue with the OEM runners since because usually the welds stick outwards. your is sunk in, and I think Ethanol didn't want to overbore it. It happened to a set that I was finishing up a few mins ago. I just couldn't get it flushed cuz there were really bad casting imprefection which also caused it to sink inwards. But its not as bad as yours.
@ Hacura its probably a casting issue with the OEM runners since because usually the welds stick outwards. your is sunk in, and I think Ethanol didn't want to overbore it. It happened to a set that I was finishing up a few mins ago. I just couldn't get it flushed cuz there were really bad casting imprefection which also caused it to sink inwards. But its not as bad as yours.
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@ Swoosh Thanks man
@ Hacura its probably a casting issue with the OEM runners since because usually the welds stick outwards. your is sunk in, and I think Ethanol didn't want to overbore it. It happened to a set that I was finishing up a few mins ago. I just couldn't get it flushed cuz there were really bad casting imprefection which also caused it to sink inwards. But its not as bad as yours.
@ Hacura its probably a casting issue with the OEM runners since because usually the welds stick outwards. your is sunk in, and I think Ethanol didn't want to overbore it. It happened to a set that I was finishing up a few mins ago. I just couldn't get it flushed cuz there were really bad casting imprefection which also caused it to sink inwards. But its not as bad as yours.
Thanks for the help bud.
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#976
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Yes that tube casting was pretty bad. Your runners had a lot of casting issues. The spacer is overbored for a reason. It will always have clearance for all size tubes. Your casting lines were very deep on that set. It does happen I am not going to oval out holes just to remove a slight casting imperfection. There is no horsepower loss because of that. How does the TB spacer look after the long trip?
#977
Yes that tube casting was pretty bad. Your runners had a lot of casting issues. The spacer is overbored for a reason. It will always have clearance for all size tubes. Your casting lines were very deep on that set. It does happen I am not going to oval out holes just to remove a slight casting imperfection. There is no horsepower loss because of that. How does the TB spacer look after the long trip?
#978
Yes that tube casting was pretty bad. Your runners had a lot of casting issues. The spacer is overbored for a reason. It will always have clearance for all size tubes. Your casting lines were very deep on that set. It does happen I am not going to oval out holes just to remove a slight casting imperfection. There is no horsepower loss because of that. How does the TB spacer look after the long trip?
It feels like a slurricane outside right now so I'm contemplating doing the work today.
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Actually the re-install was going great until I broke one of the 5mm bolts that secures the injector housing to the runners
. Called Acura and Honda dealers and it had to be ordered out LA so it's taking a week to arrive. Should be here tomorrow.
On another noob note, I dropped a bolt right next to the timing belt harness and heard it hit a few things and land on metal. I spent 2 hours fishing for that shit with a magnet and still can't find it. Would suck if it's stuck in a pulley.
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On another noob note, I dropped a bolt right next to the timing belt harness and heard it hit a few things and land on metal. I spent 2 hours fishing for that shit with a magnet and still can't find it. Would suck if it's stuck in a pulley.
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^^^
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Does anyone know if the 09 TL manifold has the same size "ports" as the 3G? Basically my question is, if I were to *hypothetically* get my stock runners ported and *hypothetically* purchase the 09 manifold, would they line up as if I had our stock manifold? (Accord V6 and 3G TL manifolds are identical).
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I hope they don't light up.....
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Yea I meant the 3.7 TL SHAWD manifold. Thanks man.
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Yea I meant the 3.7 TL SHAWD manifold. Thanks man.
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^^^ you will loose power !!!
will post the link of a thread where someone did the same and posted his review !!!
will post the link of a thread where someone did the same and posted his review !!!
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^^^ guess i will hold off the setup until i get some cams....haha
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^ Wait, what? Lost power with the 3.7 manifold?
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here you go Sonnick
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https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/4th-gen-sh-awd-intake-manifold-throttle-body-3rd-gen-728797/
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^^^ so he gained only 21WHP and 11WTQ with the following mods:
WOW !!! thats ahem sucks !!!.....you should I remember the test car with Rodney went from 224 to 249 (25WHP) with PCD's and Jpipe.....
also we cant really point out what he is gaining from what mod.....if you ask me, he lost some power there.....PCD's + Type S Cams + Bored TB should gain you ~30WHP....
PCD V3
2011 Acura TL-S SH 3.7 TB (max Bored)
2011 Acura TL-S SH 3.7 IM
P2R Acura Tl-S SH Thermal Gasket
Outlaw Engineering IM Spacer
07-08 TL-S Cams
2011 Acura TL-S SH 3.7 TB (max Bored)
2011 Acura TL-S SH 3.7 IM
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also we cant really point out what he is gaining from what mod.....if you ask me, he lost some power there.....PCD's + Type S Cams + Bored TB should gain you ~30WHP....
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He also had a CEL with the intake leak. So I am guessing his losing a lot of timing. He has new dynos and the numbers still don't add up compared to Cubano accord.
He needs to fix the CEL and get the car tuned.
He needs to fix the CEL and get the car tuned.
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^^^ dude i dont know the circles you run in.....who is cubano
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He is the person (his post) that convinced me to take the risk on the single 3" exhaust. I was scared as heck of losing massive low and mid range power with the zero back pressure. But, he said in one on his post "trust me, the single 3 inch will gain a lot with no loss in the low range." And, I did trust him and he was right.
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In my books, Cubanob247 is the man
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Cubano is awesome.
Thanks swoosh/ken for the links. And yes, Jiga has a leak in his injector O-ring, hence the CEL. Once this is fixed I think he will be in the upper 260s SAE untuned.
I refuse to believe the 3.7 manifold lost power. He is the only person said to have felt a decrease. Civicdrivr dynod 6whp/tq more throughout the powerband untuned on a ported 71mm TB, and a vacuum leak on his 3.2 CL-s before he went 3.6. He had I/H/P at the time I believe also. With a tune I think this manifold will make 10+whp over stock. Add the TL big bore throttle body and I'd guess an additional 3-4hp on top or the manifold. Plus the heat soak will dramatically decrease due to the Magnesium shell. Magnesium ftw. 09 TL manifold ftmfw.
Thanks swoosh/ken for the links. And yes, Jiga has a leak in his injector O-ring, hence the CEL. Once this is fixed I think he will be in the upper 260s SAE untuned.
I refuse to believe the 3.7 manifold lost power. He is the only person said to have felt a decrease. Civicdrivr dynod 6whp/tq more throughout the powerband untuned on a ported 71mm TB, and a vacuum leak on his 3.2 CL-s before he went 3.6. He had I/H/P at the time I believe also. With a tune I think this manifold will make 10+whp over stock. Add the TL big bore throttle body and I'd guess an additional 3-4hp on top or the manifold. Plus the heat soak will dramatically decrease due to the Magnesium shell. Magnesium ftw. 09 TL manifold ftmfw.
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He is the person (his post) that convinced me to take the risk on the single 3" exhaust. I was scared as heck of losing massive low and mid range power with the zero back pressure. But, he said in one on his post "trust me, the single 3 inch will gain a lot with no loss in the low range." And, I did trust him and he was right.
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hahaha i am on there but dont visit there as often....maybe i should start ![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
damn didnt know that....
why do you say the 09 TL ? isnt there a difference between the 09TL and the 11 TL SHAWD manifold and TB ??? (assuming you mentioned the SHAWD as well)....
i am thinking about it, but it will be an expensive deal....400 for manifold + cover....another 500 for TB
then another couple hundred to just get em polished....
i might look into this after i get my cams/head work done....
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He is the person (his post) that convinced me to take the risk on the single 3" exhaust. I was scared as heck of losing massive low and mid range power with the zero back pressure. But, he said in one on his post "trust me, the single 3 inch will gain a lot with no loss in the low range." And, I did trust him and he was right.
In my books, Cubanob247 is the man![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
I agree
In my books, Cubanob247 is the man
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I agree
Cubano is awesome.
Thanks swoosh/ken for the links. And yes, Jiga has a leak in his injector O-ring, hence the CEL. Once this is fixed I think he will be in the upper 260s SAE untuned.
I refuse to believe the 3.7 manifold lost power. He is the only person said to have felt a decrease. Civicdrivr dynod 6whp/tq more throughout the powerband untuned on a ported 71mm TB, and a vacuum leak on his 3.2 CL-s before he went 3.6. He had I/H/P at the time I believe also. With a tune I think this manifold will make 10+whp over stock. Add the TL big bore throttle body and I'd guess an additional 3-4hp on top or the manifold. Plus the heat soak will dramatically decrease due to the Magnesium shell. Magnesium ftw. 09 TL manifold ftmfw.
Thanks swoosh/ken for the links. And yes, Jiga has a leak in his injector O-ring, hence the CEL. Once this is fixed I think he will be in the upper 260s SAE untuned.
I refuse to believe the 3.7 manifold lost power. He is the only person said to have felt a decrease. Civicdrivr dynod 6whp/tq more throughout the powerband untuned on a ported 71mm TB, and a vacuum leak on his 3.2 CL-s before he went 3.6. He had I/H/P at the time I believe also. With a tune I think this manifold will make 10+whp over stock. Add the TL big bore throttle body and I'd guess an additional 3-4hp on top or the manifold. Plus the heat soak will dramatically decrease due to the Magnesium shell. Magnesium ftw. 09 TL manifold ftmfw.
i am thinking about it, but it will be an expensive deal....400 for manifold + cover....another 500 for TB
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i might look into this after i get my cams/head work done....