New ECU preview
#123
Finding this thread was the highlight of my day. I've spoken with TLDREAM a few times on a few forums and am in the planning and purchasing stages of putting a J32A2 into my '99 Prelude. The ECU has been somewhat of a concern for me, considering the ECUs from a '03 CL-S 6spd run over $400, and 6spd '04 TL ECU is considerably cheaper...
Basically, is there a confirm-able list of ECUs that this can be used with? I've read through the thread and saw posts about 2G TL/CL ECUs, and '06-'08 TL ECUs, but what about say the '04 and '05 TL ECUs? Thanks for replies!
Basically, is there a confirm-able list of ECUs that this can be used with? I've read through the thread and saw posts about 2G TL/CL ECUs, and '06-'08 TL ECUs, but what about say the '04 and '05 TL ECUs? Thanks for replies!
#124
He kept telling me to hold off on purchasing a knock device, I am glad I waited.
#125
My only hope is that this will port over to the 4th Gen ECUs
The 3.7 would make a hellova project. Considering CT-E put a MP62 and only managed 75whp increase with their exhaust, and intake. I'd love to have something on 4G side.
The 3.7 would make a hellova project. Considering CT-E put a MP62 and only managed 75whp increase with their exhaust, and intake. I'd love to have something on 4G side.
#126
I was gonna stay away from this ECU. However, I've decided to try and save. If I save for 6 months, it would not be of much concern If this can really extract ~20ish whp/tq from the J motor, and help smooth the powerband all over, then I'm gonna try to get in on it. With this and the possible addition of TL-s cams when my timing belt is up, I can see my lil 3.0 making 280/240.
#128
#129
Seeing as it's going to be a popular question ("where can I get mine?!")
LINK
That's the direct link to the product page.
Slightly off topic but pertaining to the J32 engine (and me getting it running after swap, and then getting this product) is there any differences sensor-wise between the J32A2 from a 01-03 CL Type-S that would cause an '04 TL ECU to throw a hissy fit?
LINK
That's the direct link to the product page.
Slightly off topic but pertaining to the J32 engine (and me getting it running after swap, and then getting this product) is there any differences sensor-wise between the J32A2 from a 01-03 CL Type-S that would cause an '04 TL ECU to throw a hissy fit?
#130
Rodney,
With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?
When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?
Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?
With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?
With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?
When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?
Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?
With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?
Last edited by Inaccurate; 03-30-2011 at 01:41 PM.
#131
Seeing as it's going to be a popular question ("where can I get mine?!")
LINK
That's the direct link to the product page.
Slightly off topic but pertaining to the J32 engine (and me getting it running after swap, and then getting this product) is there any differences sensor-wise between the J32A2 from a 01-03 CL Type-S that would cause an '04 TL ECU to throw a hissy fit?
LINK
That's the direct link to the product page.
Slightly off topic but pertaining to the J32 engine (and me getting it running after swap, and then getting this product) is there any differences sensor-wise between the J32A2 from a 01-03 CL Type-S that would cause an '04 TL ECU to throw a hissy fit?
You will be able to use the ecu the pre 04 motors, however the sensors are different therefore the programming will be different for those motors.
#132
I didn't expect the stand-alone to be bothered much by the different sensors... So the bottom line though in an installation is that a 3G TL 3.2L ECU would whine and complain about the sensor differences between the J32A2 and the J32A3 eh? Was hoping to use the 3G ECU by itself with a 2nd gen CL-S J32A2 until I can get the stand-alone unit at a later date.
#133
Idk, the Bisi cams are more than double the price. Plus, I may need to get valvetrain and that's just a much bigger expense.
I'm actually pretty against doing the TL-s cams because no one seems to know the specs on my stock cams. But, apparently a few who have done it said they felt good gains. One claimed to gain 35whp from the TL-s cams along with a bump to 11:1 compression. We are 10:1 stock, unlike the TL. He had the "J33," but was auto.
I'm actually pretty against doing the TL-s cams because no one seems to know the specs on my stock cams. But, apparently a few who have done it said they felt good gains. One claimed to gain 35whp from the TL-s cams along with a bump to 11:1 compression. We are 10:1 stock, unlike the TL. He had the "J33," but was auto.
Last edited by Sonnick; 03-30-2011 at 03:49 PM.
#135
What do you mean FSM?
Anxiously awaiting results on the TL Type S with PCDs installed!
Did you guys adjust the VTEC point at all? From the dynos (if I remember correctly), it looks like it's still at the stock setting. I know that the SI's get a huge jump in torque by changing the VTEC point.
Anxiously awaiting results on the TL Type S with PCDs installed!
Did you guys adjust the VTEC point at all? From the dynos (if I remember correctly), it looks like it's still at the stock setting. I know that the SI's get a huge jump in torque by changing the VTEC point.
#136
Flying Spaghetti Monster
JK, FSM = factory service manual. I know for a lot of Hondas it is by Helms.
It does appear there is one for the 2004 TL available at: http://www.spoonertuner.com/manuals
There are also a few generations of Accord, but none appear to be for the J series V6 Accord.
JK, FSM = factory service manual. I know for a lot of Hondas it is by Helms.
It does appear there is one for the 2004 TL available at: http://www.spoonertuner.com/manuals
There are also a few generations of Accord, but none appear to be for the J series V6 Accord.
#137
Rodney,
With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?
When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?
Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?
With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?
With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?
When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?
Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?
With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?
#138
I had emailed him about this and he was going to respond. I'll poke him again.
I did hear that he's booked to head back to kikazz's install with the knock solution. It'll be released if all goes well.
I did hear that he's booked to head back to kikazz's install with the knock solution. It'll be released if all goes well.
#139
Rodney,
With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?
When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?
Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?
With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?
With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?
When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?
Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?
With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?
Yes you will be still able to plug up to the obd port and receive info as the stock ecu is still in place , and remember the ecu is plug and play so you will be able to plug in back the stock ecu if you need to do so ...depending on your mods you should be able to pass inspection.
The ecu will pick up that there's not an egr connected ,at this point turning of the cel we haven't gotten there yet....
#140
The new ecu itself does not have a cell light but if a sensor was to go bad you would be able to tell ex if an o2 went you'd know thru wideband or from laptop ,if cam sensor or crank sensor went bad car will not start and upon plugging in laptop this soul let you know also as well as an injector or coil pack ,...
#141
so in summary, stock CEL functionality will remain as usual and the aftermarket ECU will not send its own CEL to the vehicles cluster but does have the ability to specify when a sensor is bad once plugged into a computer.
#142
Phee I should have you to post couldn't have summed it up any better ,and the dattalogging will be very useful as the new ecu. Has a SD card slot for dattalogging or the mega view datalogging software which logs the sensors been controlled by new ecu ..
#143
If there's more detailed info needed on functions and how it works ill gladly post it up along with all its functions and capability and how its used or what its used for the new ecu .....
This ecu will work for 2g also phee is willing to come down for testing and install but will need to generate a few more interest , or possibly a group buy list ..
This ecu can be used independently also without the help of the stock ecu in place ,as wve come across a few people who is not concerned with luxury functions or emissions ...
Final tuning is set for 15th on kikazz car which has te e u and knock control installed...
This ecu will work for 2g also phee is willing to come down for testing and install but will need to generate a few more interest , or possibly a group buy list ..
This ecu can be used independently also without the help of the stock ecu in place ,as wve come across a few people who is not concerned with luxury functions or emissions ...
Final tuning is set for 15th on kikazz car which has te e u and knock control installed...
Last edited by pass427; 04-06-2011 at 10:27 AM.
#144
Awesome stuff! Also awesome to hear that the standalone doesn't need the OE ECU, as I'd be dropping mine into my 5th gen Prelude.
Now I'm curious in one of the "features" of the ECU, and that's the supposed automatic tuning feature detailed on page 1. Has anyone played around with this yet? lol
Now I'm curious in one of the "features" of the ECU, and that's the supposed automatic tuning feature detailed on page 1. Has anyone played around with this yet? lol
#145
What do you mean FSM?
Anxiously awaiting results on the TL Type S with PCDs installed!
Did you guys adjust the VTEC point at all? From the dynos (if I remember correctly), it looks like it's still at the stock setting. I know that the SI's get a huge jump in torque by changing the VTEC point.
Anxiously awaiting results on the TL Type S with PCDs installed!
Did you guys adjust the VTEC point at all? From the dynos (if I remember correctly), it looks like it's still at the stock setting. I know that the SI's get a huge jump in torque by changing the VTEC point.
#147
we can make it happen not an issue ,we would need a test car to start with and cost of ecu and software if needed ,turn around time would be a week two most .....
#150
20-25whp/tq without changing the VTEC point...that's serious business. I don't know for sure that changing the VTEC point will allow more tunability/power, but I want to say I'm 99.9% sure it will because every other Honda has seen benefit from a lower VTEC point. Not only that, but Honda didn't implement the crossover point in the Accord/TL for performance purposes either...
#153
Are you asking to see the ignition advance table from a tune? The stock ECU changes timing all the time based on load, temp, octane and other inputs. I'm not sure if the Jandr unit just adds timing on top of the stock units set level or if you tune to knock by rpm and load based on octane.
#154
Not sure how to try to explain that the new ecu has. its own functions ,meaning you build your own timing map as desired so forget about what the stock ecu has , this ecu is a standalone we use the stock ecu to control idle functions which allows usage of all luxury functions ,
Here are some things you can control (Items are hyperlinked) Idle Valves Second O2 input Constant Barometric Correction Knock Control MS2-Extra Pin Usage Launch Control Switched Maps NOS Control Programmable Outputs Tacho Input/Ignition Settings More Ignition Options Tacho Output Cold Ignition Advance MAT Based Timing Retard Engine and Sequential settings Idle Control MAP sampling Staged Injection Boost Control Idle Advance AFR Safety System Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Generic PWMs Generic Sensor Inputs SD card datalogging Launch / flat-shift / 2-step / 3-step Speed and Gear sensors CAN communications This also means that the tuning can be performed using MS compatible software. The current software being used is TunerStudio. It can be downloaded for free and also has a register option. More information is available here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ One HUGE feature is VE Analyze Live. Read about it here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/#veAnalyze Some questions and answers sofar: Q. Will the stock ECU be retained ? A. Yes, this insures that all factory features are not lost Q. If the factory ECU is still in place, are you simply intercepting the signals? A. No, the FACTORY ECU has no control over engine parameters. Q. Will this be a Plug and Play install or do I need to custom wire? A. This solution will be Plug and Play with a pre-wired harness included. Q. Are Base Maps Included? A. Base maps will be available basedon the application. Q. What is VE Analyzer ? A. A tuning tool that tunes while you drive! See http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ #veAnalyze for more information. Q. Is drive by wire retained? A. Yes along with all other luxury features handled by the stock ECU.
Here are some things you can control (Items are hyperlinked) Idle Valves Second O2 input Constant Barometric Correction Knock Control MS2-Extra Pin Usage Launch Control Switched Maps NOS Control Programmable Outputs Tacho Input/Ignition Settings More Ignition Options Tacho Output Cold Ignition Advance MAT Based Timing Retard Engine and Sequential settings Idle Control MAP sampling Staged Injection Boost Control Idle Advance AFR Safety System Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Generic PWMs Generic Sensor Inputs SD card datalogging Launch / flat-shift / 2-step / 3-step Speed and Gear sensors CAN communications This also means that the tuning can be performed using MS compatible software. The current software being used is TunerStudio. It can be downloaded for free and also has a register option. More information is available here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ One HUGE feature is VE Analyze Live. Read about it here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/#veAnalyze Some questions and answers sofar: Q. Will the stock ECU be retained ? A. Yes, this insures that all factory features are not lost Q. If the factory ECU is still in place, are you simply intercepting the signals? A. No, the FACTORY ECU has no control over engine parameters. Q. Will this be a Plug and Play install or do I need to custom wire? A. This solution will be Plug and Play with a pre-wired harness included. Q. Are Base Maps Included? A. Base maps will be available basedon the application. Q. What is VE Analyzer ? A. A tuning tool that tunes while you drive! See http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ #veAnalyze for more information. Q. Is drive by wire retained? A. Yes along with all other luxury features handled by the stock ECU.
#156
Not sure how to try to explain that the new ecu has. its own functions ,meaning you build your own timing map as desired so forget about what the stock ecu has , this ecu is a standalone we use the stock ecu to control idle functions which allows usage of all luxury functions ,
Here are some things you can control (Items are hyperlinked) Idle Valves Second O2 input Constant Barometric Correction Knock Control MS2-Extra Pin Usage Launch Control Switched Maps NOS Control Programmable Outputs Tacho Input/Ignition Settings More Ignition Options Tacho Output Cold Ignition Advance MAT Based Timing Retard Engine and Sequential settings Idle Control MAP sampling Staged Injection Boost Control Idle Advance AFR Safety System Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Generic PWMs Generic Sensor Inputs SD card datalogging Launch / flat-shift / 2-step / 3-step Speed and Gear sensors CAN communications This also means that the tuning can be performed using MS compatible software. The current software being used is TunerStudio. It can be downloaded for free and also has a register option. More information is available here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ One HUGE feature is VE Analyze Live. Read about it here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/#veAnalyze Some questions and answers sofar: Q. Will the stock ECU be retained ? A. Yes, this insures that all factory features are not lost Q. If the factory ECU is still in place, are you simply intercepting the signals? A. No, the FACTORY ECU has no control over engine parameters. Q. Will this be a Plug and Play install or do I need to custom wire? A. This solution will be Plug and Play with a pre-wired harness included. Q. Are Base Maps Included? A. Base maps will be available basedon the application. Q. What is VE Analyzer ? A. A tuning tool that tunes while you drive! See http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ #veAnalyze for more information. Q. Is drive by wire retained? A. Yes along with all other luxury features handled by the stock ECU.
Here are some things you can control (Items are hyperlinked) Idle Valves Second O2 input Constant Barometric Correction Knock Control MS2-Extra Pin Usage Launch Control Switched Maps NOS Control Programmable Outputs Tacho Input/Ignition Settings More Ignition Options Tacho Output Cold Ignition Advance MAT Based Timing Retard Engine and Sequential settings Idle Control MAP sampling Staged Injection Boost Control Idle Advance AFR Safety System Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Generic PWMs Generic Sensor Inputs SD card datalogging Launch / flat-shift / 2-step / 3-step Speed and Gear sensors CAN communications This also means that the tuning can be performed using MS compatible software. The current software being used is TunerStudio. It can be downloaded for free and also has a register option. More information is available here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ One HUGE feature is VE Analyze Live. Read about it here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/#veAnalyze Some questions and answers sofar: Q. Will the stock ECU be retained ? A. Yes, this insures that all factory features are not lost Q. If the factory ECU is still in place, are you simply intercepting the signals? A. No, the FACTORY ECU has no control over engine parameters. Q. Will this be a Plug and Play install or do I need to custom wire? A. This solution will be Plug and Play with a pre-wired harness included. Q. Are Base Maps Included? A. Base maps will be available basedon the application. Q. What is VE Analyzer ? A. A tuning tool that tunes while you drive! See http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ #veAnalyze for more information. Q. Is drive by wire retained? A. Yes along with all other luxury features handled by the stock ECU.
#158
#159
Actually, I'd rather let Rodney respond with the logs and/or timing tables if he sees fit. He's invested a lot of time and money in getting these base maps created. I'd rather not undermine any of his efforts by posting that sort of information.
#160
I agree with you. Rodney has gone above and beyond for this community and we should respect the work he has done by supporting his products by purchasing, not pirating.