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#403
A couple things I still can't seem to find out about this ECU is:
Can we lower the VTEC engagement?
Can we adjust the cam angles?
And is this an actual end-user product? (that is, can I change the parameters myself on my computer?)
If the answer is "YES" to all these questions, then I (and I'm dead certain many others) will gladly pony up the $1300 for this...if the answer is "NO", then I surely hope J&R can make this happen...
Can we lower the VTEC engagement?
Can we adjust the cam angles?
And is this an actual end-user product? (that is, can I change the parameters myself on my computer?)
If the answer is "YES" to all these questions, then I (and I'm dead certain many others) will gladly pony up the $1300 for this...if the answer is "NO", then I surely hope J&R can make this happen...
Cam Angles - There are trigger wheel options for crank and cam. I am not sure if the oem trigger sensors are wired.
End User - yes
Everything can be seen here. He is delivering the ECU with the Alpha code installed.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html#ms3
Last edited by KN_TL; 11-24-2011 at 10:40 AM.
#404
The Track Terror
VVT yes
Cam Angles - There are trigger wheel options for crank and cam. I am not sure if the oem trigger sensors are wired.
End User - yes
Everything can be seen here. He is delivering the ECU with the Alpha code installed.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html#ms3
Cam Angles - There are trigger wheel options for crank and cam. I am not sure if the oem trigger sensors are wired.
End User - yes
Everything can be seen here. He is delivering the ECU with the Alpha code installed.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html#ms3
But, hmm...VVT...I know Toyota names their's this, but is there a specific ability to control our VTEC? Would that be same as VTEC? Any actual TL owners lowered their VTEC engagement? And if so, I would imagine there's a way to adjust the fueling and timing as well to compensate for this adjustment?
And I need a definite answer for the cam angle adjustment...Also, what is the maximum angle our stock cams can physically run at?
Will J&R please respond to these questions? Thanks!
Last edited by the fenda rolla; 11-25-2011 at 12:59 AM.
#407
The Track Terror
I sure could, but I'm trying to have the community benefit from this information as well.
I'm actually kinda surprised every bit of this info isn't already out in the open...especially after 11 pages of discussion...again, I guess I'm just used to a more open forum community (8thcivic)
I'm actually kinda surprised every bit of this info isn't already out in the open...especially after 11 pages of discussion...again, I guess I'm just used to a more open forum community (8thcivic)
#408
I sure could, but I'm trying to have the community benefit from this information as well.
I'm actually kinda surprised every bit of this info isn't already out in the open...especially after 11 pages of discussion...again, I guess I'm just used to a more open forum community (8thcivic)
I'm actually kinda surprised every bit of this info isn't already out in the open...especially after 11 pages of discussion...again, I guess I'm just used to a more open forum community (8thcivic)
Bolt ons and the tweaks with it are just getting started. Everyone seems to want a turnkey solution and Rodney can only do so much being such a small shop.
#409
Suzuka Master
^^ This is the most "open" forum I have ever been a part of! your answers will come.
#410
The Track Terror
As it is we're on the 11th page and these HUGE aspects of tuning a VTEC engine are still not addressed...
and I guess I was hoping this would be a good upgrade for strictly bolt-ons folks like most of us here...like what Hondata does...and yup, I know they tried but backed out on the J32
#411
There are however willing to talk directly.
I hope you're right...and by "open" I mean most if not all the info on a given product should be given right off the bat so there's no guessing what it does or does not do.
As it is we're on the 11th page and these HUGE aspects of tuning a VTEC engine are still not addressed...
and I guess I was hoping this would be a good upgrade for strictly bolt-ons folks like most of us here...like what Hondata does...and yup, I know they tried but backed out on the J32
As it is we're on the 11th page and these HUGE aspects of tuning a VTEC engine are still not addressed...
and I guess I was hoping this would be a good upgrade for strictly bolt-ons folks like most of us here...like what Hondata does...and yup, I know they tried but backed out on the J32
#413
The Track Terror
On other forums for other vehicles, usually the company who puts out new products posts threads themselves and tells us exactly what their product does.
Special thanks for KN_TL to starting this thread, but why didn't J&R do it?
Again, going by other forums, Hondata personally presented their products and talks openly about the Flashpro/K-Pro...Cobb did/does the same thing with their Accessport...
Why not for this ECU? This certainly is not too much to ask...
My posts are not a slam against anyone, I just want info that a lot of other people are interested in.
#414
The Track Terror
Besides this, I'm certain the factory VTEC engagement point is far from optimal. And what exactly does "optimal" mean to you? Optimal for performance? Optimal for fuel consumption? "Optimal" is different for different people/mods.
For example, the stock VTEC engagement point for my Civic Si was 5800 rpm. After header, intake, exhaust I lowered it to 4300 rpm with my Cobb AP and I made 213 whp with the smoothest VTEC crossover (which is what was my optimal point for performance).
#415
runnin a little boost
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Why don't you contact Rodney instead of attacking the few members who have the ECU and are responding to your strangely hostile posts. Rodney is no longer a vendor on the site and is limited in what he is able to post about his products. Beating the issue that he has not addressed every adjustable aspect of his product is pointless. There is a lot more interest and questions than people willing to pay for the work he has done. If you are serious about buying a product why not talk to those selling it.
#416
The Track Terror
Why don't you contact Rodney instead of attacking the few members who have the ECU and are responding to your strangely hostile posts. Rodney is no longer a vendor on the site and is limited in what he is able to post about his products. Beating the issue that he has not addressed every adjustable aspect of his product is pointless. There is a lot more interest and questions than people willing to pay for the work he has done. If you are serious about buying a product why not talk to those selling it.
But like I've been saying, it's quite laughable that no one still knows the answers to my questions (changing the VTEC engagement, adjusting the cam angles through the ECU), which are pretty much the most important aspects of altering a VTEC's ecu!
So how about you chill your horses there buddy and see if you can answer these questions? You can't...which is exactly my point. I'm growing tired of this forum as well...
#417
Optimal is pretty subjective...one VTEC engagement point for one vehicle may not be optimal for another. It depends on what mods each vehicle has.
Besides this, I'm certain the factory VTEC engagement point is far from optimal. And what exactly does "optimal" mean to you? Optimal for performance? Optimal for fuel consumption? "Optimal" is different for different people/mods.
For example, the stock VTEC engagement point for my Civic Si was 5800 rpm. After header, intake, exhaust I lowered it to 4300 rpm with my Cobb AP and I made 213 whp with the smoothest VTEC crossover (which is what was my optimal point for performance).
Besides this, I'm certain the factory VTEC engagement point is far from optimal. And what exactly does "optimal" mean to you? Optimal for performance? Optimal for fuel consumption? "Optimal" is different for different people/mods.
For example, the stock VTEC engagement point for my Civic Si was 5800 rpm. After header, intake, exhaust I lowered it to 4300 rpm with my Cobb AP and I made 213 whp with the smoothest VTEC crossover (which is what was my optimal point for performance).
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#418
Optimal is pretty subjective...one VTEC engagement point for one vehicle may not be optimal for another. It depends on what mods each vehicle has.
Besides this, I'm certain the factory VTEC engagement point is far from optimal. And what exactly does "optimal" mean to you? Optimal for performance? Optimal for fuel consumption? "Optimal" is different for different people/mods.
For example, the stock VTEC engagement point for my Civic Si was 5800 rpm. After header, intake, exhaust I lowered it to 4300 rpm with my Cobb AP and I made 213 whp with the smoothest VTEC crossover (which is what was my optimal point for performance).
Besides this, I'm certain the factory VTEC engagement point is far from optimal. And what exactly does "optimal" mean to you? Optimal for performance? Optimal for fuel consumption? "Optimal" is different for different people/mods.
For example, the stock VTEC engagement point for my Civic Si was 5800 rpm. After header, intake, exhaust I lowered it to 4300 rpm with my Cobb AP and I made 213 whp with the smoothest VTEC crossover (which is what was my optimal point for performance).
Like I said, my posts are not meant to attack anyone. I am far from hostile kind sir. And my questions about this product are not strange or out of the ordinary. Especially considering the very high price of it...
But like I've been saying, it's quite laughable that no one still knows the answers to my questions (changing the VTEC engagement, adjusting the cam angles through the ECU), which are pretty much the most important aspects of altering a VTEC's ecu!
So how about you chill your horses there buddy and see if you can answer these questions? You can't...which is exactly my point. I'm growing tired of this forum as well...
But like I've been saying, it's quite laughable that no one still knows the answers to my questions (changing the VTEC engagement, adjusting the cam angles through the ECU), which are pretty much the most important aspects of altering a VTEC's ecu!
So how about you chill your horses there buddy and see if you can answer these questions? You can't...which is exactly my point. I'm growing tired of this forum as well...
#419
The Track Terror
On a slight sidenote for everyone (NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, for those whose feelings get hurt easily...), HONDATA just announced they are releasing Flashpro for the TSX...maybe/hopefully they will give the TL another try so we could have a real N/A tuning solution...
BTW, they came on here themselves to annouce it...just sayin...this is how a real company handles things...maybe Rodney should've kept his vendorship so he COULD continue to speak openly about his own product!
https://acurazine.com/forums/1g-tsx-performance-parts-modifications-126/flashpro-2004-2008-tsx-838460/
http://www.hondata.com/flashpro_tsx.html
#420
The Track Terror
Thirdly, and most importantly, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS THREAD! So, maybe you could've informed us about this info???
Seriously though, wouldn't y'all wanna know about these VERY important pieces of info?????
So far all I hear is noise from everyone, but no real pieces of useful information...
#421
I started this thread as a service to J&R.
You want to pay for his vendor status? I bet he'd appreciate it.
If you've followed what Rodney has done and the audience he has been working with, you'd understand how this is all being done.
Go to your 'real' company and get them to do what Rodney has done where no one else has been able to in the past.
I think you need to go troll at another site.
I'm done.
You want to pay for his vendor status? I bet he'd appreciate it.
If you've followed what Rodney has done and the audience he has been working with, you'd understand how this is all being done.
Go to your 'real' company and get them to do what Rodney has done where no one else has been able to in the past.
I think you need to go troll at another site.
I'm done.
Last edited by KN_TL; 11-25-2011 at 05:22 PM.
#422
The Track Terror
No troll bro, why the hostility? I actually thanked you for starting this thread!
And Rodney's unit allows us to lower VTEC and change cam angles? If so, awesome where can I buy? If not, looks like this unit hasn't done anything for the huge majority of us N/Aers...
I never started anything with anyone on this page, I just want answers to questions...unfortunately, there seems to be no answers right now...just a bunch of drama created by some very defensive fanbois...
And Rodney's unit allows us to lower VTEC and change cam angles? If so, awesome where can I buy? If not, looks like this unit hasn't done anything for the huge majority of us N/Aers...
I never started anything with anyone on this page, I just want answers to questions...unfortunately, there seems to be no answers right now...just a bunch of drama created by some very defensive fanbois...
Last edited by the fenda rolla; 11-25-2011 at 06:12 PM.
#423
Senior Moderator
No troll bro, why the hostility? I actually thanked you for starting this thread!
And Rodney's unit allows us to lower VTEC and change cam angles? If so, awesome where can I buy? If not, looks like this unit hasn't done anything for the huge majority of us N/Aers...
I never started anything with anyone on this page, I just want answers to questions...unfortunately, there seems to be no answers right now...just a bunch of drama created by some very defensive fanbois...
And Rodney's unit allows us to lower VTEC and change cam angles? If so, awesome where can I buy? If not, looks like this unit hasn't done anything for the huge majority of us N/Aers...
I never started anything with anyone on this page, I just want answers to questions...unfortunately, there seems to be no answers right now...just a bunch of drama created by some very defensive fanbois...
your posts sound very aggressive and borderline hostile weather its ur intent or not its how they read ! k
next vtec engagement and a/f/timing is a given with this ... cam angle no idea
#426
The Track Terror
And then these people get upset with me and start calling me troll because they cannot answer these very simple questions that everyone should know after the first page.
Which brings me to this:
So, Justnspace, if you already knew the answer to these questions why didn't you just answer them from the beginning? Instead we've gotten to this point, which isn't very happy I'd say... But seriously, I honestly cannot seem to find the post your referring to on the first page...could you quote it for me please? Thanks bro!
Last edited by the fenda rolla; 11-26-2011 at 12:43 AM.
#427
The Track Terror
How can we adjust the VTEC and cam angles with this ECU?
#428
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Before you make comments towards the developer of this ecu and saying things like, "maybe Rodney should've kept his vendorship so he COULD continue to speak openly about his own product!," you need to realize that everything he sells for the serious performance enthusiast, he makes little to no profit. Thats a fact. 200$ a month for a vendor status is insane if you actually knew how much he made off the few things he sells here.
I can speak for Rodney when I tell you he doesnt care if you dont want to buy what he sells. Hes not here to make money. He has solutions to questions that people on this forum have been trying to figure out for years. Hes literally one guy making all these things from his home along with a full time job.
The real question we have for you is, why cant you contact megasquirt directly and ask them if their version 3 software has the ability to do the things your asking? Its the same software thats used in many different platforms. The real difference is the wiring harness that makes the software work with the TL.
Finally, if you want this ecu then I would jump on it now b.c it will not be here forever. Thats a fact.
#429
The Track Terror
This unit was not developed for the NA crowd in the first place. It was developed solely for the turbo crowd. A few people took notice and some supercharged folks starting asking questions. That got the ball rolling for the NA crowd. And there is NA fully bolted TL that made 25 more whp with this ecu.
Before you make comments towards the developer of this ecu and saying things like, "maybe Rodney should've kept his vendorship so he COULD continue to speak openly about his own product!," you need to realize that everything he sells for the serious performance enthusiast, he makes little to no profit. Thats a fact. 200$ a month for a vendor status is insane if you actually knew how much he made off the few things he sells here.
I can speak for Rodney when I tell you he doesnt care if you dont want to buy what he sells. Hes not here to make money. He has solutions to questions that people on this forum have been trying to figure out for years. Hes literally one guy making all these things from his home along with a full time job.
The real question we have for you is, why cant you contact megasquirt directly and ask them if their version 3 software has the ability to do the things your asking? Its the same software thats used in many different platforms. The real difference is the wiring harness that makes the software work with the TL.
Finally, if you want this ecu then I would jump on it now b.c it will not be here forever. Thats a fact.
Before you make comments towards the developer of this ecu and saying things like, "maybe Rodney should've kept his vendorship so he COULD continue to speak openly about his own product!," you need to realize that everything he sells for the serious performance enthusiast, he makes little to no profit. Thats a fact. 200$ a month for a vendor status is insane if you actually knew how much he made off the few things he sells here.
I can speak for Rodney when I tell you he doesnt care if you dont want to buy what he sells. Hes not here to make money. He has solutions to questions that people on this forum have been trying to figure out for years. Hes literally one guy making all these things from his home along with a full time job.
The real question we have for you is, why cant you contact megasquirt directly and ask them if their version 3 software has the ability to do the things your asking? Its the same software thats used in many different platforms. The real difference is the wiring harness that makes the software work with the TL.
Finally, if you want this ecu then I would jump on it now b.c it will not be here forever. Thats a fact.
Again, yes I could contact megasquirt and/or Rodney, but I wanted to try this route first. Especially since we're going into the 12th page of this thread, I figured I'd get a very simple and clear "yes" or "no". But unfortunately I got a bunch of baloney and it has degenerated into this...
Thanks again for your respectful post.
#430
Chapter Leader (San Antonio)
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I sure could, but I'm trying to have the community benefit from this information as well.
I'm actually kinda surprised every bit of this info isn't already out in the open...especially after 11 pages of discussion...again, I guess I'm just used to a more open forum community (8thcivic)
I'm actually kinda surprised every bit of this info isn't already out in the open...especially after 11 pages of discussion...again, I guess I'm just used to a more open forum community (8thcivic)
Only Honda/Acura product made in the USA (minus the RDX? I believe)= no respect and no mods
#432
The Track Terror
#433
Drifting
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fenda_rolla, i get what you are saying. this forum is so liberal and afraid to hurt feelings. i didn't get a hostile vibe.
look. all i'm saying is, i know what it takes to mod a car. i've owned a 550+chp car (being extremely conservative) which i bought with 250. i understand better than most what i am talking about, and how to value mods per $. its everyone else's idea that i couldn't 'put my money where my mouth is', and like 6 people said that to me.
on to what libert said (ps, thumbs up for a well written response), if this guy is doing a lot of work for our benefit separate from his real career/job/living, stop telling everyone to call him with less than 'interested' questions. you'll waste his time.
instead, you look for questions here from 3rd parties. it makes complete sense. i don't talk to any vendors or company's unless i am willing to pay right then. its just a polite way to do things in this industry.
Sorry just had to that $1350 proves you know where to put "money where my mouth is"
look. all i'm saying is, i know what it takes to mod a car. i've owned a 550+chp car (being extremely conservative) which i bought with 250. i understand better than most what i am talking about, and how to value mods per $. its everyone else's idea that i couldn't 'put my money where my mouth is', and like 6 people said that to me.
on to what libert said (ps, thumbs up for a well written response), if this guy is doing a lot of work for our benefit separate from his real career/job/living, stop telling everyone to call him with less than 'interested' questions. you'll waste his time.
instead, you look for questions here from 3rd parties. it makes complete sense. i don't talk to any vendors or company's unless i am willing to pay right then. its just a polite way to do things in this industry.
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ReDevil
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#437
I just purchased today the ECU with the plug and play harness, knock sensor and all the other goodies..Shipping and handling $1480 will take about 10 days for shipping and fabrication of the harness etc...Im a NA type S last result untuned 294whp/262tq....Last mod was the Mugen Bored TB with intake manifold setup...I haven't dynoed yet...im expecting about 300whp as it is right now...With the new ECU tune hopefully 320whp
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^^^ thanks for bringing this thread around....
i think you will be ~320....gotta post some vids + pix + pix of the tune or what comes in the package etc....
i think you will be ~320....gotta post some vids + pix + pix of the tune or what comes in the package etc....
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^^^ he is fully bolted on from what I understand....