M-010: Putting the TL on a diet (Update Links in Post #1)
07-31-2012, 12:49 PM
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^^^ JJH just a reminder, get the 4G Throttle body as compared to an adapter...
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Hey Tim - I discovered a way to remove the majority of the the charcoal canister delete without the CEL. Simply leave the the sensors attached to the appropriate plugs. For one of them it's easy since it's just a small sensor and tube on the canister that can be removed.
The other is a little more goofy since it's directly connected to the canister. However, there's a little panel that can be removed from the canister that is <0.5 lb while the rest of the canister can be removed. This is kind of a ghetto securing job. I plan on doing a better job of securing it more permanantly soon.
It's been a week now with no CEL. The weight of the remaining canister is 5.80 lbs. instead of the 7+ with yours.
However, I also plan on removing the supporting brackets and tubing which should remove a bit more. Mine only weighed 6.5 lbs. intact though so I'm not sure if that's a scale discrepency or what. Either way, great way to remove about 6lbs with no CEL
(so far.....). And you're right; absolutely no gas smell whatsoever. Fuel economy is unchanged as well.
The other is a little more goofy since it's directly connected to the canister. However, there's a little panel that can be removed from the canister that is <0.5 lb while the rest of the canister can be removed. This is kind of a ghetto securing job. I plan on doing a better job of securing it more permanantly soon.
It's been a week now with no CEL. The weight of the remaining canister is 5.80 lbs. instead of the 7+ with yours.
However, I also plan on removing the supporting brackets and tubing which should remove a bit more. Mine only weighed 6.5 lbs. intact though so I'm not sure if that's a scale discrepency or what. Either way, great way to remove about 6lbs with no CEL
(so far.....). And you're right; absolutely no gas smell whatsoever. Fuel economy is unchanged as well.
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08-26-2012, 09:43 PM
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^^^ the charcoal canister went back on my list of things to remove
do you still get the gas smell thow?
do you still get the gas smell thow?
08-27-2012, 08:08 AM
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Hey Tim - I discovered a way to remove the majority of the the charcoal canister delete without the CEL. Simply leave the the sensors attached to the appropriate plugs. For one of them it's easy since it's just a small sensor and tube on the canister that can be removed.
However, I also plan on removing the supporting brackets and tubing which should remove a bit more. Mine only weighed 6.5 lbs. intact though so I'm not sure if that's a scale discrepency or what. Either way, great way to remove about 6lbs with no CEL (so far.....). And you're right; absolutely no gas smell whatsoever. Fuel economy is unchanged as well.
However, I also plan on removing the supporting brackets and tubing which should remove a bit more. Mine only weighed 6.5 lbs. intact though so I'm not sure if that's a scale discrepency or what. Either way, great way to remove about 6lbs with no CEL
(so far.....). And you're right; absolutely no gas smell whatsoever. Fuel economy is unchanged as well.
08-27-2012, 10:30 AM
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Will do. I didn't want to remove all the other hardware then have a CEL pop up the next day. But after a week, I don't see any reason not to drop the rest of the brackets and hoses with the exception to the effort required to put it all back together if the emissions testing involves a visual check of the canister. If that's the case, then it probably wouldn't be worth the 2lbs. or so for the hassle. Does anyone know if most emissions places do a visual of the charcoal canister?
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^^^ perfect....thanks once again bro....gotta go this something in the next few weeks....
08-28-2012, 10:57 AM
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https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=877
EDIT: I just checked that link and he does not have any install notes....let me look for em, i know he had put the uninstall guide somewhere....
EDIT: I just checked that link and he does not have any install notes....let me look for em, i know he had put the uninstall guide somewhere....
08-28-2012, 11:19 AM
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The canister is on the drivers side rear, just in front of the rear wheel. It's covered by a plastic cover which I removed a long time ago. I believe the cover can be reattached even if the canister is removed but I'm not certain. If you want to put the cover back you'll want to make sure of this.
The canister is held to the floor of the car via three 10mm bolts. Removing the hoses and sensors is recommend prior to unbolting the canister. After that it's pretty much just dropping it out. Since I'm pushing two weeks without a CEL I'm planning on removing the rest of the unnecessary hardware tonight. There's a lot of hoses and brackets and I'm not sure which are necessary and which aren't. The fuel lines are right in that area so make sure you're not goofing around with any of that. The sensor and panel of the canister which have to be removed from the canister and re-plugged into their respective cables (to avoid the CEL) can be removed after the canister is out. It might be a PITA to get them removed while under the car. The panel portion has a few clips that can be pryed up to remove it. It took a bit of jiggling but it came free without too much problem. The small sensor has some sort of metal clamp that has to be removed first. Easy enough stuff for anyone that has some basic mechanical skills.
I'm going to do a little better job securing the critical stuff tonight and mounting that panel with the attached sensor so it doesn't get too dirty or ruined, just in case I need to reinstall the canister sometime. I'll take a few photos when I do it.
The canister is held to the floor of the car via three 10mm bolts. Removing the hoses and sensors is recommend prior to unbolting the canister. After that it's pretty much just dropping it out. Since I'm pushing two weeks without a CEL I'm planning on removing the rest of the unnecessary hardware tonight. There's a lot of hoses and brackets and I'm not sure which are necessary and which aren't. The fuel lines are right in that area so make sure you're not goofing around with any of that. The sensor and panel of the canister which have to be removed from the canister and re-plugged into their respective cables (to avoid the CEL) can be removed after the canister is out. It might be a PITA to get them removed while under the car. The panel portion has a few clips that can be pryed up to remove it. It took a bit of jiggling but it came free without too much problem. The small sensor has some sort of metal clamp that has to be removed first. Easy enough stuff for anyone that has some basic mechanical skills.
I'm going to do a little better job securing the critical stuff tonight and mounting that panel with the attached sensor so it doesn't get too dirty or ruined, just in case I need to reinstall the canister sometime. I'll take a few photos when I do it.
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^^^ if i reckon right he did the lexan to his rear windows and not the fronts....
08-29-2012, 02:18 PM
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finally found it
IN PIC ABOVE - Contour some pieces of sponge to act as breather filters. These filters block trash from entering the fuel tank while allowing the tank to breath.
It is time consuming, but the metal line needs to be removed the save that last pound or so. This metal line runs from the EVAP to the engine bay.
Doing the Evap Delete is fairly straight forward. Just disconnect stuff that is directly connected to the canister. Be careful to Not unplug anything that is not directly attached to the canister. There are fuel lines in this area. So this is why you need to be careful.
After the removal, check for fuel leaks by turning on the key. With the key on (engine not started), crawl back under there to inspect for any leaks. I highly doubt there will be any leaks, just a precaution.
See these links too -
PCV Delete (click here)
EVAP Delete (click here)
IN PIC ABOVE - Contour some pieces of sponge to act as breather filters. These filters block trash from entering the fuel tank while allowing the tank to breath.
It is time consuming, but the metal line needs to be removed the save that last pound or so. This metal line runs from the EVAP to the engine bay.
Doing the Evap Delete is fairly straight forward. Just disconnect stuff that is directly connected to the canister. Be careful to Not unplug anything that is not directly attached to the canister. There are fuel lines in this area. So this is why you need to be careful.
After the removal, check for fuel leaks by turning on the key. With the key on (engine not started), crawl back under there to inspect for any leaks. I highly doubt there will be any leaks, just a precaution.
See these links too -
PCV Delete (click here)
EVAP Delete (click here)
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08-29-2012, 02:47 PM
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^^^ he is busy flying his quads 
08-31-2012, 05:22 PM
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The canister is on the drivers side rear, just in front of the rear wheel. It's covered by a plastic cover which I removed a long time ago. I believe the cover can be reattached even if the canister is removed but I'm not certain. If you want to put the cover back you'll want to make sure of this.
The canister is held to the floor of the car via three 10mm bolts. Removing the hoses and sensors is recommend prior to unbolting the canister. After that it's pretty much just dropping it out. Since I'm pushing two weeks without a CEL I'm planning on removing the rest of the unnecessary hardware tonight. There's a lot of hoses and brackets and I'm not sure which are necessary and which aren't. The fuel lines are right in that area so make sure you're not goofing around with any of that. The sensor and panel of the canister which have to be removed from the canister and re-plugged into their respective cables (to avoid the CEL) can be removed after the canister is out. It might be a PITA to get them removed while under the car. The panel portion has a few clips that can be pryed up to remove it. It took a bit of jiggling but it came free without too much problem. The small sensor has some sort of metal clamp that has to be removed first. Easy enough stuff for anyone that has some basic mechanical skills.
I'm going to do a little better job securing the critical stuff tonight and mounting that panel with the attached sensor so it doesn't get too dirty or ruined, just in case I need to reinstall the canister sometime. I'll take a few photos when I do it.
The canister is held to the floor of the car via three 10mm bolts. Removing the hoses and sensors is recommend prior to unbolting the canister. After that it's pretty much just dropping it out. Since I'm pushing two weeks without a CEL I'm planning on removing the rest of the unnecessary hardware tonight. There's a lot of hoses and brackets and I'm not sure which are necessary and which aren't. The fuel lines are right in that area so make sure you're not goofing around with any of that. The sensor and panel of the canister which have to be removed from the canister and re-plugged into their respective cables (to avoid the CEL) can be removed after the canister is out. It might be a PITA to get them removed while under the car. The panel portion has a few clips that can be pryed up to remove it. It took a bit of jiggling but it came free without too much problem. The small sensor has some sort of metal clamp that has to be removed first. Easy enough stuff for anyone that has some basic mechanical skills.
I'm going to do a little better job securing the critical stuff tonight and mounting that panel with the attached sensor so it doesn't get too dirty or ruined, just in case I need to reinstall the canister sometime. I'll take a few photos when I do it.
09-13-2012, 08:05 AM
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I wanted to ask, did you ever remove the passenger airbag i the dash? I want to remove mine just not sure about having a hole in the dash. Might just make a fiberglass or cf cover for it.
09-13-2012, 09:19 AM
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^^^ 
i think its different on the CL, it actually has a cover....
i think its different on the CL, it actually has a cover....
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I encountered a CEL last night related to the canister removal. I foolishly cleared it before writing it down so now I don't have it to reference 
. It was something along the line of "evap control system pressure sensor low". I think this might have occured due to me taping off the lines attached to the sensors rather than placing sponges in them like Tim did to allow some air flow. For now, I just removed the tape as an experiment to see if it occurs again. I'll have to get some sponges fabricated in there like Tim has and see if it reoccurs. Just a heads up to those that want to do this - it's not a perfected system yet.....
. It was something along the line of "evap control system pressure sensor low". I think this might have occured due to me taping off the lines attached to the sensors rather than placing sponges in them like Tim did to allow some air flow. For now, I just removed the tape as an experiment to see if it occurs again. I'll have to get some sponges fabricated in there like Tim has and see if it reoccurs. Just a heads up to those that want to do this - it's not a perfected system yet.....
09-13-2012, 09:50 AM
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^^^ i would def look into it bro....
remove the airbag and then try to remove the cover....dont play with the cover while the airbag is plugged in....
remove the airbag and then try to remove the cover....dont play with the cover while the airbag is plugged in....
09-13-2012, 06:06 PM
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removing airbag, are you guys using some type of resistor in place to not get an airbag light or just rocking the airbag light on?
09-14-2012, 09:48 AM
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^^^ if you remove the SRS unit you can trick the ECU to thinking that all the bags are "functional" and hence no light....
all you need to do is short 2 wires to a constant power
I think Inaccurate has mentioned that somewhere....and if i remember right it was pin 19 on the A and C connectors....lemme try to find that post....
all you need to do is short 2 wires to a constant power
I think Inaccurate has mentioned that somewhere....and if i remember right it was pin 19 on the A and C connectors....lemme try to find that post....
09-14-2012, 07:45 PM
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^ kool thanks, also doing this will it completely disable all other airbags from not working or no?
thinking you will lose airbag function in general
thinking you will lose airbag function in general
09-17-2012, 10:56 AM
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yup....i constantly get 20-21 100% city driving....shifting at 3K rpm and hitting vtec 1-2 times every trip....i used to get 18-19mpg before that...
highway i get 33mpg which i used to get before....but after the exhaust the mpg had dropped to around 30-31....and after weight loss its back upto 33mpg....
10-04-2012, 01:02 AM
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Hi fellas. Here is one of my vids. Watch it Full Screen. Jump to timeline 0:55 for the take-off. I can take HD vids too but need to probably pay for hosting for the HD quality. Feels awesome to be able to fly around like a bird at will. The quad is fairly fast too, unlike in this vid below... I can zip around the sky at a pretty good rate if I desire. Honestly, my heart is not into cars anymore ...... Quad 4 Ever. Thanks for watching. 
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Tim....we miss you buddy....drop some sometimes and 
at us....
PS: I know you build the quads to stalk on your fav girl
at us....PS: I know you build the quads to stalk on your fav girl
11-09-2012, 09:01 AM
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I think he's given up his lightweight TL for his Quad for now.
I know that feel though. I was into LiPo electric RC cars for a couple of years. A lot cheaper than playing with real cars. Gave up all my other interests for a while. It's just a phase. He'll be back
Hopefully......
I know that feel though. I was into LiPo electric RC cars for a couple of years. A lot cheaper than playing with real cars. Gave up all my other interests for a while. It's just a phase. He'll be back
Hopefully......
11-09-2012, 10:41 AM
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I encountered a CEL last night related to the canister removal. I foolishly cleared it before writing it down so now I don't have it to reference . It was something along the line of "evap control system pressure sensor low". I think this might have occured due to me taping off the lines attached to the sensors rather than placing sponges in them like Tim did to allow some air flow. For now, I just removed the tape as an experiment to see if it occurs again. I'll have to get some sponges fabricated in there like Tim has and see if it reoccurs. Just a heads up to those that want to do this - it's not a perfected system yet.....
. It was something along the line of "evap control system pressure sensor low". I think this might have occured due to me taping off the lines attached to the sensors rather than placing sponges in them like Tim did to allow some air flow. For now, I just removed the tape as an experiment to see if it occurs again. I'll have to get some sponges fabricated in there like Tim has and see if it reoccurs. Just a heads up to those that want to do this - it's not a perfected system yet.....It seems this tl diet is pretty much dead. He lost interest and not much left to remove that is not reversible.
11-09-2012, 11:59 AM
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^ Nope, I'm afraid not. It chronically pops up anywhere from 50-200 miles after it's reset. I've dinked around with different configurations but continue to get the CEL regardless.
I've since removed my EGR so I don't mind the CEL since I'm getting one for my EGR anyways. But for those that do, this might be off the list. It was worth a try.
I've since removed my EGR so I don't mind the CEL since I'm getting one for my EGR anyways. But for those that do, this might be off the list. It was worth a try.
11-13-2012, 07:40 AM
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^ Nope, I'm afraid not. It chronically pops up anywhere from 50-200 miles after it's reset. I've dinked around with different configurations but continue to get the CEL regardless.
I've since removed my EGR so I don't mind the CEL since I'm getting one for my EGR anyways. But for those that do, this might be off the list. It was worth a try.
I've since removed my EGR so I don't mind the CEL since I'm getting one for my EGR anyways. But for those that do, this might be off the list. It was worth a try.
11-13-2012, 09:12 AM
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^ Thanks for the tip. I tested it out today. I don't hit VTEC much since I'm usually trying to get better mileage. But I hit it a few times today and VTEC still fires up at about 4500RPM as usual.
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Cool video Tim.
There was one of those quads at a drift event the other weekend...some guy was filming the cars. I should probably search youtube to see if he has a video up yet.
There was one of those quads at a drift event the other weekend...some guy was filming the cars. I should probably search youtube to see if he has a video up yet.