KN_TL

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The original design dumps into the exhaust, that's what threw me. What are the advantages of going straight out?

KN_TL

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Kikazz mentions 25K including the build. Not sure if it included Rodney going back again unexpectedly.

pass427

As with kikazz build its hard to compare to his price build. ,reason is he was determined to reach his goal so on parts we recommended and didn't have as yet or tested he actually help and funded us on most of parts for his car ,no to mention quite a few overtime bac and fourth ,piston on rush order just a bunch of stuff.....

A quick break down turbo kit 5799+200 shipping
Minus 340 of total which takes aem fic out of equation
Ecu is 1395 shipped lowest cost we can offer
That above price will bring you to 420 whp pump gas...

Now to accommodate kikazz setup more attention and money is needed
Clutch 2000
Pistons est....1100
Rods est ....1100-1300
Full valvetrain......1175
Fuel return kit .....mm

bmeyer

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I know there are going to be a lot of people looking at that sort of price tag and thinking that it's outrageous... But I can attest to the fact that reaching a goal like this (and beyond) is very, very expensive. There are things like rod & main bearings, gasket kits, timing belt kit, motor mounts, head bolts/studs... the list goes on and on and that's before you get to other performance items like bigger injectors, meth kit, head work, cams, tuning, etc...

One factor that plays big into the final price tag is just how much can you do yourself versus how much are you going to need to send out to a shop to have them do. The shop rate could be anywhere from $70/hr to $150/hr.

It all depends on what your end goals are. If you want to max out at 560, you could probably do it for less. But I have a feeling that we haven't yet seen the limit of the numbers this car is capable of pushing out.

KN_TL

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Even with moderate goals, it is an expensive task. I have done everything myself and have at least $10K into just the turbo project.

This doesn't include the wheels, tires and suspension upgrades purchased to support the increase in power.

justnspace

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Good job to every one who contributed to this project.

SharksBreath

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gawd damn those videos are clutch. thanks for sharing them with us.

your TL is completely rowdy, i really admire the amount of work and dedication you and everyone involved has put into it. well done guys.

i'm getting even more interested in the new ECU, keep us posted on release dates for public. thanks.

I hate cars

That's exactly it. I think this TL has a LOT left in it and even if he never decides to push it to it's max, being overbuilt, it should be very reliable. They did things the correct way instead of an unreliable hack job.

pass427

The wait is over for the manual guys wanting the ecu we are just in process of assembling the ecus so bmeyer and kntl are first on the list as they paid months in advanced to help us proceed with testing ,we will be testing the auto model next week as we do have a Tl types auto which will be receiving our turbo kit and ecu .......

SharksBreath

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^great news.

i'm in the A/T crowd so i'll be subscribed to this thread and future ones with info on this.

thanks.

KaMLuNg

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sick work fellas... keep up the great work... revolutionizing the way ppl will look at the TL... especially some exotics on the road...

TheChamp531

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Would the new ECU do anything for a bolt on TL? Sorry for the newb question.

pass427

Definetly will without changing vtec crossover and with primary cats in place we've seen 27+ whp and 35+ lb tq ....more usable power in low rpm range and power doesn't fall off as quick with new ecu

Souljah

You can but it doesn't justify the price. There's no real parameters needing to be changed with basic NA setup.

pass427

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but the ecu will be effective in any setup ,the ecu cost is very reasonable judging its all a plug and play unit all luxury functions still works drivebywire still in place pretuned map ,any real performance enthusias knows the power and ability to adjust parameters example instead of 250whp @6700 this is can be made at 5000 rpm ,making power where you drive car daily is one big difference which we've experience here at jandr ,the price was kept at lowest cost possible ,we didn't just price it because nothing is out there that's not the case as a matter a fact we understand why no one probably bother as car is quite a bit complicated and somewhat hard to keep.everything working ..

phee

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25 hp for 1k sounds like a good deal to me. That's peak power too. I'm sure the power curve is fatter all around!

I hate cars

With all of these new gains, I'm going to have to look the other way and ignore it if I see one of these turbo TLs in the GN lol.

anx1300c

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How do you figure? Roughly the same price as a catback and intake combined, with much better gains. Personally though, I think I'll do cams and some porting first, and then see how I sit power-wise at that point.

greco9885

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forget the gains, i just want my car to stop running pig rich....

TLdream

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Please elaborate a little. There are so many poeple that spend close to $2k on an exhaust setup to gain 15-25 whp, how does spending $1400 to gain 27whp and 35 ft/lbs of torque not cost effective?

SharksBreath

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alright so i'll admit it, i'm interested.

my 07 tl type-s is fully bolted. precats, jpipe, exhaust, etc...what will this new ECU do for me?

any testing been done on something like this yet? any more info you can give me?

TheChamp531

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Can't wait. You made me want to sell the Challenger I just got to build my TL to a 500whp reliable daily driver.

TLdream

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I will update when i get mine in. I will let you know what it will do on a full bolt on 07 tl type s engine.

TheChamp531

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TLDream is Dallas far from Tulsa? If you get it done I don't mind meeting up in Dallas to see it.

TLdream

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dallas is about 4 1/2 hours from me. I will be in Dallas and Houston again later this year. I will be taking the car there to race. I dont mind meeting up.

AtlM5

It doesn't make 1001hp at the crank..if you research it the engineers think it makes closer to 2000 at the crank and i think 1200-1400 at the wheels

phee

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i think YOU should do some research. the Veyron makes 1001 Ps at the crank--thats about 987hp CRANK but they round it off...

your reasoning is way off.. 2000 crank hp and the car only puts down 1400 to the wheels? thats a 30-40% power loss....more than our TL's...

the stock veyron puts down a 10.4 quarter mile at 139 mph.
in a 4486lb car that translates to 788.22HP roughly using the following formula
Hp=(Weight) / ((ET/5.825)^3)

This leaves us with a more reasonable amount of powertrain loss of 21.28% using the 1001 crank hp figure and the 788hp estimated WHP using trap time.

if the veyron in fact made 1400whp it would run a 1/4 at about 8.5-9@14X-15xmph...a time NO veryron has put down.

bye bye now

I hate cars

All I know is this makes me happy as I should be able to beat one pretty bad with my current setup and 3,000lb curb weight.

Sonnick

Is that your most up-to-date run in your sig? If so, Idk since the Veyron traps 12mph more and ET is very similar. Either way I'd supposed it'd be a good run

I hate cars

That was nearly 10 years ago with 100hp less and an extra 450lbs. Its never been to the track with the current combo. I know what it should run but until it runs the number its not worth mentioning.

TheChamp531

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So you haven't been to the track in 10 years? :o

Inaccurate

Thinking to myself.......

10.60
Less 450 lbs = Less 0.45 seconds
Extra 100 hp = Less 1.0 second

10.60 - 0.45 - 1.0 =

I hate cars

Nah, I had the same combo starting 10 years ago. Haven't been to the track in this car in around 4-5 years but I've been a few times a year in other peoples' rides. Current combo was done around 4 years ago. Never dyno'd it with the old combo, it's just a guess that it made around 500 to the wheels based on the 1/4 time.

Now if only I had the finances to get it back on the road to prove what it has been capable of for a long time. I think the ZR1 was the quickest stock street car I've ever run and it wasn't a close race but being on slicks it wasn't exactly a fair race. With the pressure on me to start a family soon, it may not happen for a very long time.

Hondaforlife954

i think im going to start making crabon/glass fiber hybrid drive shafts. light and stronger than steel.... i think that would be sick!!!!

Hondaforlife954

btw sick car man!!! someday ill buy another tl make it light and fast!! just for fun....when i become rich

greco9885

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id love to see a drive shaft on a fwd car

half shafts are what you want, atleast thats what makes sense

Hondaforlife954

well ya.....lol

Sonnick

Well in that case, I'd say the car is good for 9s. 450lb weight reduction, plus 100hp on an already 10 sec car....I'd guess around 9.6-9.7 @134-136. Damn, that's fast.

TheChamp531

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Is this 560+ WHP far-fetched for a Base TL?

Does the .3 liter makes that much of a difference?

The more and more I see the TL getting in the 400WHP and up zone, the more I want to save up my money and buy the T/C.

Inaccurate

There is an approx 10% difference.

The difference will be felt by the pistons, head gasket, and cylinder walls.

That is, the 3.2 will need to have approx 10% more cylinder pressure to equal the same output from a 3.5.

In other words, you will need to stress the 3.2 engine by 10% more than the 3.5 engine.

Another way of viewing it is as follows. If we assume both engines have the identical mechanical strength (in the cylinder walls, pistons, and head gasket), then the 3.2 will only be able to make 90% of the power compared to the 3.5 before failure occurred in either engine.

The following was a very simplistic explanation. Results in real life could differ. Science is tricky, meaning that this explanation does not take into considerations other aspects that could come into play.