Innovative Mounts Review
05-28-2009, 04:28 PM
#241
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Ned, the exhaust system is attached to the same block as the exhaust system. Ericks concern is there is no flex in the exhaust system...
First,
Where is this coming from...? This business of engine rise?
My mounts lined up square as the OEM.
The engine is a dynamic system. It's designed to rock forward and backward under load, to reduce harshness in the cabin.
When installing these, I can see how you might have to tweak the engine up or down a bit to get them to line up, but I'm unsure of anyone claiming the entire engine was raised any amount by thier installation.
I can understand your concern, but again, the engine is designed to move... If the engine is offset a 1/2 inch by thier intallation, so be it... The stress would be applied to the flex pipe in the Jpipe and the rubber exhaust hangers, and that would allow the rise.
I wouldn't worry about it at all.
First,
Where is this coming from...? This business of engine rise?
My mounts lined up square as the OEM.
The engine is a dynamic system. It's designed to rock forward and backward under load, to reduce harshness in the cabin.
When installing these, I can see how you might have to tweak the engine up or down a bit to get them to line up, but I'm unsure of anyone claiming the entire engine was raised any amount by thier installation.
I can understand your concern, but again, the engine is designed to move... If the engine is offset a 1/2 inch by thier intallation, so be it... The stress would be applied to the flex pipe in the Jpipe and the rubber exhaust hangers, and that would allow the rise.
I wouldn't worry about it at all.
. You guys understand my logic though right? You raise the motor, then you change the stress points...no flex for people with pre-cat deletes (j-pipe will be okay, but the pre-cats are solid steel). Know what I mean?
Last edited by erick3; 05-28-2009 at 04:30 PM.
05-28-2009, 06:20 PM
#242
I'm working in conjunction with Richie. As the trend goes, those who have motor mounts seem to be the only members who have consistently failing pre-cat deletes. The .5 inch raise in the motor could be the culprit. Being unfamiliar with all of this, I tried to work around the issue...trying to figure out whether or not the motor mounts were actually the ones to blame for these cracking pre-cat deletes (richie does great work...it isn't his fault!). My rear pre-cat broke during the time that I did not have rear mount installed, so I figured maybe it was because the side and front mount created a .5 inch displacement compared to the rear . You guys understand my logic though right? You raise the motor, then you change the stress points...no flex for people with pre-cat deletes (j-pipe will be okay, but the pre-cats are solid steel). Know what I mean?
. You guys understand my logic though right? You raise the motor, then you change the stress points...no flex for people with pre-cat deletes (j-pipe will be okay, but the pre-cats are solid steel). Know what I mean?I'm not buying the 1/2in in engine rise. I expereinced none of that. I did expereince a tweak in the stock mounting slop to get the mounts to line up, but mine fell into place...
Again, with regards to your concern. It isn't one.
Ya gotta remember:
The stock exhasut system carries the same stresses here. The stresses imposed by the engine position are applied almost exlusively to the Jpipe. The engine, the pre-cats, and the 1st 1/2 of the Jpipe are a solid entity. the motor is designed to move around, and that flex is accomodated for in the Jpipe flex pipe and the rubber exhaust mounts. Replacing the cats with ritchies cats replaces a solid component with a solid component...
There may be slightly additional stress placed on both the Jpipe and the pre cats, IF the new mounts actually do raise the engine a 1/2 inch... due to the increased angle of the exhaust/Jpipe connection... but that should not be enough to cause the failure.
I think think the stainless steel is not reacting well to the heat cycling, combined with increased vibrations the new mounts create... and that's why they're cracking...
Remember the stock mounts were soft for a reason. The absorb shock. These new hard mounts don't do that, so lots of heat and lots of shock... something is likely to give. Ever try to get a stuck nut loose...? What's the trick?... Heat and hammer (shock). Get my drift.
Ritchies pipes are pretty, but the stock cats are beefier, and made of mild steel, which is more ameneable to high heat usage... oh and did I mention the stock cats are environmentally friendly.
I'm not a fan a at all of them though, sorry to hear you guys are having issues... well, not really.
05-29-2009, 07:03 AM
#245
practicing nihilist
I got this thread confused with an IM spacer thread. guess it didn't really throw anybody off.
05-29-2009, 09:09 AM
#246
Safety Car
yea, my precats are fine i havent had anything crack or break...... and my innovatives blew once and that never even posed an issue tot he exhaust it was actually fine. I do understand ur logic tho
08-18-2009, 12:36 PM
#247
Safety Car
Interesting...
New Motor Mount Options Update (click here)
Originally Posted by RUF87 (in the below linked thread)
The manufacture started the testing with the 3rd gens.
New Motor Mount Options Update (click here)
08-24-2009, 03:14 PM
#248
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.. I've done that before.. but only because I have 10 Azine tabs open at once.. 
08-24-2009, 07:34 PM
#249
I've got a few sets of these in stock and it's time to move them. $280 shipped to the cont US
If interested send payment via Paypal to excelerate@sbcglobal.net and specify what you're ordering and for what car.
If interested send payment via Paypal to excelerate@sbcglobal.net and specify what you're ordering and for what car.
08-24-2009, 09:19 PM
#250
I've got a few sets of these in stock and it's time to move them. $280 shipped to the cont US
If interested send payment via Paypal to excelerate@sbcglobal.net and specify what you're ordering and for what car.
If interested send payment via Paypal to excelerate@sbcglobal.net and specify what you're ordering and for what car.
i think 
10-09-2009, 03:07 PM
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anyone getting crazy vibrations after you hit 75mph ???
am pretty used to the vibrations at idle and no vibrations until 60-65mph....then it starts building up and after 75mph its exponential....just as if vibrations hit their vtec
worst at 80mph.....anyone experience this ???
am pretty used to the vibrations at idle and no vibrations until 60-65mph....then it starts building up and after 75mph its exponential....just as if vibrations hit their vtec
worst at 80mph.....anyone experience this ???
10-09-2009, 04:15 PM
#259
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guys, how many of u have replaced mounts from innovative so far???? ive been through 5 sets.... "either my spirited driving is ass backwards, somethings wrong, or i need a harder poly.
10-09-2009, 04:22 PM
#260
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maybe go up to a higher durometer rating but jeez.. Maybe the 3 point system is too tough on a poly mount.
10-28-2009, 09:08 AM
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so from the manufacturer. got it. i ask cuz i am about to buy a set of 60a but if he is having problems like that, i was gonna just go 75a.
ima me back in columbus 17-19 nov.. wish it was over a weekend, i would've tried to come check out the car and all your secret projects these days lol
ima me back in columbus 17-19 nov.. wish it was over a weekend, i would've tried to come check out the car and all your secret projects these days lol
10-28-2009, 09:12 AM
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yeah man stop over when u can! the project is very secretive indeed. But its only because the dyno video is going up b4 I do any talking about numbers. Ppl on here will shit their pants. lmao.
10-28-2009, 09:23 AM
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dont let it be like in this thread LMAO
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/dyno-results-749012/
when you posting up the dyno?
josh, the 75a will also probably be for future mods that exceed the 60a recommended 250hp rating.
10-28-2009, 09:36 AM
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^^^ so well if this is ur daily driver I wouldnt go more than 60A....these mounts induce a major vibration a low rpm....am saying this as i have the mounts for over 15K miles and 8-9 month period......
after this mod i haven't been able to feel the luxury my car offered me before this mod.....to be honest this is the only mod i regret but not sooo much that I switch it back to stock LOL.....
after this mod i haven't been able to feel the luxury my car offered me before this mod.....to be honest this is the only mod i regret but not sooo much that I switch it back to stock LOL.....
10-28-2009, 10:00 AM
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^^^ it does because i miss the luxury feel....i mean i took this girl out and she was like OMG u have a nice acura.....and then when i was reversing my car out.....the vibrations and all.....she was looking at me and i was like well switched a lotta stuff......and this vibrations are from the solid engine mounts....she could understand what i mean coz she had a modded mustang in her teen days....
10-28-2009, 10:13 AM
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LMAO !!!
on cold starts the vibrations are worse (i bet you would have guessed that) and they are crazy when u have the AC on.....
10-28-2009, 10:25 AM
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^^^ so well if this is ur daily driver I wouldnt go more than 60A....these mounts induce a major vibration a low rpm....am saying this as i have the mounts for over 15K miles and 8-9 month period......
after this mod i haven't been able to feel the luxury my car offered me before this mod.....to be honest this is the only mod i regret but not sooo much that I switch it back to stock LOL.....
after this mod i haven't been able to feel the luxury my car offered me before this mod.....to be honest this is the only mod i regret but not sooo much that I switch it back to stock LOL.....
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^^^ its simple man....if you dont mind vibrations when ur at a stop light.....or when u start the car and wait a minute or 2 for it to warm up.....u should get these.....coz they eliminate wheel hop pretty much.....60A you will have very slight wheel hop.....
am saying i dont mind all that vibration but i miss the luxury feel of my car.....i drive my car a lot and recently i have been renting cars a lot coz of work.....and a $12000 chevy cobalt or toyota corolla offers me that luxury that my TL doesnt.....i made a mistake of renting a maxima once and fell for the luxury where as my TL was better in that aspect before i put the mounts in!!!!
So well if you dont mind this vibrations.....you for it.....btw am riding Falken Ze-912 on stock rims.....so i dont its not the tires !!!!
am saying i dont mind all that vibration but i miss the luxury feel of my car.....i drive my car a lot and recently i have been renting cars a lot coz of work.....and a $12000 chevy cobalt or toyota corolla offers me that luxury that my TL doesnt.....i made a mistake of renting a maxima once and fell for the luxury where as my TL was better in that aspect before i put the mounts in!!!!
So well if you dont mind this vibrations.....you for it.....btw am riding Falken Ze-912 on stock rims.....so i dont its not the tires !!!!
10-28-2009, 10:56 AM
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