HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS!!! possible new supercharger-
12-01-2006, 10:54 AM
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I dont know what they call it, but I want one of those! This is interesting, now that we have redshift on our boards, it seems like this might actually happen. Welcome to the forums, red shift greg & chris-
12-01-2006, 02:14 PM
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Ryan Christopher
Originally Posted by Redshiftmotorsports
Hey all!! First time posting here. I assure you, we have gotten many calls and e-mails about the TL supercharger and it WILL happen. I do not have a time frame as of yet, due to a couple of othere vechiles in the development line first. Thanks Greg
Jason
12-01-2006, 06:02 PM
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Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by ubnpast
Someone correct me if im wrong but on supecharged cars isnt it called a pressure relief valve. bov is for turbos...
12-01-2006, 06:42 PM
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Ok here is the deal. Eaton is just about the only supplier to OEM for factory superchargers. They got to this point because of longevity of the supercharger and its internals.
The Eaton bearings are actually used in the twin screw Auto Rotor and Lysholm superchargers.
The fact that Comptech uses a Eaton M62 blower demonstrates how smart they are. First the Eaton is 65% adiabatic efficient at 4-5 psi of boost. Since they do not compress are very well in their housing, but rather paddle the air from inlet to outlet, it makes them shine at low boost levels.
Clearly if you are looking to stay within 5-8 psi, the Eaton is the way to go. If you are looking for insane power from a P/D blower you want a twin screw. The problem with a twin screw is they always compress air, even when they don't need to. This makes the need for an intercooler a must.
At 4-5 psi they are horrible, somewhere around 45% adiabatic efficiency. The Lysholm twin screw peaks 65% adiabatic efficiency at 15-psi. For more boost than your TL pistons will take.
This "new" blower from Rotrex is a centrifugal type. You really aren't going to make any (air flow) until you reach enough rpm to generate some boost.
BY THE WAY...TO BE CLEAR...YOU DO NOT WANT BOOST. Boost is made when you flow air through a restriction. As the air stacks up and is not being used it becomes boost pressure. You want air flow and lots of it...cool dense air.
Naturally thermodynamics plays here, whenever you compress air, you heat it. You cannot get around this. Intercooling is the only way to lower the blower discharge temperatures. By doing so, you can allow cooler denser (more oxygen) air flow into the cylinders.
Anyhow, I don't know if Rotrex has any done any OEM blowers like Eaton has done with Ford, GM, Jaguar, etc. I would not trust this supercharger for durability and longevity. I don't care what the website says.
My M90S has been in service for 55,000 miles and sees 10-psi of boost. I haven't had a single problem with it.
A-Train
The Eaton bearings are actually used in the twin screw Auto Rotor and Lysholm superchargers.
The fact that Comptech uses a Eaton M62 blower demonstrates how smart they are. First the Eaton is 65% adiabatic efficient at 4-5 psi of boost. Since they do not compress are very well in their housing, but rather paddle the air from inlet to outlet, it makes them shine at low boost levels.
Clearly if you are looking to stay within 5-8 psi, the Eaton is the way to go. If you are looking for insane power from a P/D blower you want a twin screw. The problem with a twin screw is they always compress air, even when they don't need to. This makes the need for an intercooler a must.
At 4-5 psi they are horrible, somewhere around 45% adiabatic efficiency. The Lysholm twin screw peaks 65% adiabatic efficiency at 15-psi. For more boost than your TL pistons will take.
This "new" blower from Rotrex is a centrifugal type. You really aren't going to make any (air flow) until you reach enough rpm to generate some boost.
BY THE WAY...TO BE CLEAR...YOU DO NOT WANT BOOST. Boost is made when you flow air through a restriction. As the air stacks up and is not being used it becomes boost pressure. You want air flow and lots of it...cool dense air.
Naturally thermodynamics plays here, whenever you compress air, you heat it. You cannot get around this. Intercooling is the only way to lower the blower discharge temperatures. By doing so, you can allow cooler denser (more oxygen) air flow into the cylinders.
Anyhow, I don't know if Rotrex has any done any OEM blowers like Eaton has done with Ford, GM, Jaguar, etc. I would not trust this supercharger for durability and longevity. I don't care what the website says.
My M90S has been in service for 55,000 miles and sees 10-psi of boost. I haven't had a single problem with it.
A-Train
12-01-2006, 07:18 PM
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on member was able to achive 350 HP by doing something to the FPR and addin a fuel controller or something along the lines of that.
12-01-2006, 07:29 PM
#48
Nice!
RYAN97812,
Wheels up...that's power!
Yeah I'm around, I just try to stay out of the mess unless I can't resist anymore. Trouble is only half of the people get what I'm saying.
A-Train
Wheels up...that's power!
Yeah I'm around, I just try to stay out of the mess unless I can't resist anymore. Trouble is only half of the people get what I'm saying.
A-Train
12-01-2006, 07:32 PM
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LOL not too many comments from me either. 9.13 @ 148.8 w/a 1.28 60 ft. (not that pic thought)
http://home.comcast.net/~baddest434/Run_5_-_920.wmv
http://home.comcast.net/~baddest434/Run_6_-_913.wmv
http://home.comcast.net/~baddest434/Run_5_-_920.wmv
http://home.comcast.net/~baddest434/Run_6_-_913.wmv
12-01-2006, 09:39 PM
#50
Nice...
Nice short time. That is serious g-force.
A guy with a '95 Bird like mine has gone 10.25 @ 130 mph with an IRS rear and 500 RWHP. He uses a 4.6L SOHC with an AED twin screw blower. Gets 1.48 short times with the IRS.
It leaves so hard it wrinkled the roof!
A-Train
A guy with a '95 Bird like mine has gone 10.25 @ 130 mph with an IRS rear and 500 RWHP. He uses a 4.6L SOHC with an AED twin screw blower. Gets 1.48 short times with the IRS.
It leaves so hard it wrinkled the roof!
A-Train
12-01-2006, 10:07 PM
#51
Plenty of irs cobras whiching for those kind of short times. 8.7x's for me next year. that was on a 175 hit breaking up (bad pick up in distributor, going rank trigger and large cap dist) after 7000. I stood the car on the back bumper the 1st time out with n20 and cut a 1.40 60 with the back tires, carried the front wheels for about 100 feet. Ran 9.91 and 9.94 N/A at the last track rental nov 6 at atco. Cant wait to get back out there. Hows the bird been? Gotta let me know if you come down to atco or e town. If your interested we may have a rental early in the spring.
12-02-2006, 12:07 AM
#52
Originally Posted by Atrain
Yeah I'm around, I just try to stay out of the mess unless I can't resist anymore. Trouble is only half of the people get what I'm saying.
A-Train
A-Train
12-02-2006, 09:26 AM
#53
Its been good...
RYAN97812,
The T-Bird has been running so well. I finally got it exactly where I wanted it back in 2002. I haven't raced it much since the October 2004 Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords magazine article "Luxobarge shootout".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6cnmqNcV8#GU5U2spHI_4
Here is real short video of the T-Bird accelerating. Not much to watch but you can clearly hear the Eaton M90S screaming it's song.
Anyhow, I don't race it much or drive it much anymore. Don't want to risk breaking anything on a 12 year old car. I'll wait for the QQ plates and let my son drive it. If cars are still on the ground when he is ready to drive.
Maybe we can meet up one day at E-Town. Let me know when you go (like weeks in advance) and I'll come down.
A-Train
Excelerate,
Thanks bud.
A-Train
The T-Bird has been running so well. I finally got it exactly where I wanted it back in 2002. I haven't raced it much since the October 2004 Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords magazine article "Luxobarge shootout".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6cnmqNcV8#GU5U2spHI_4
Here is real short video of the T-Bird accelerating. Not much to watch but you can clearly hear the Eaton M90S screaming it's song.
Anyhow, I don't race it much or drive it much anymore. Don't want to risk breaking anything on a 12 year old car. I'll wait for the QQ plates and let my son drive it. If cars are still on the ground when he is ready to drive.
Maybe we can meet up one day at E-Town. Let me know when you go (like weeks in advance) and I'll come down.
A-Train
Excelerate,
Thanks bud.
A-Train
12-05-2006, 06:49 PM
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Hey guys thought I would keep you updated we have changed one thing on the development kit. We will be using the ASA supercharger, not the rotrex any more. They are still a centrifical supercharger so the efficency is just as good. I know why did we choose this one over the rotrex now?
1) ASA uses improved technology in the planetary system that allows use of your engine's oil rather than having to fit an additional oiling system with the specific ATF-style fluid required by all Rotrex units.
2) The ASA units utilizes a clutched drive that allows a smoother idle and improved stop-start driveability.
3) Superior engineering a technical capability shown by ASA as compared to Rotrex
4) Used by Ruf, Hamann etc...including the newest Ruf Porsche Kompressor R
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117299
We are also seriously investigating twin screw designs. The Lysholm twin screw is probably better suited to the lack of low rpm power in many Honda/Acura applications and they have excellent efficiency under high boost (unlike a roots blower). The only issues with the Lysholm is 1) packaging because twin screws are larger and 2) cost. So hopefully sooner rather than later you will see a Twin screw for our cars.
1) ASA uses improved technology in the planetary system that allows use of your engine's oil rather than having to fit an additional oiling system with the specific ATF-style fluid required by all Rotrex units.
2) The ASA units utilizes a clutched drive that allows a smoother idle and improved stop-start driveability.
3) Superior engineering a technical capability shown by ASA as compared to Rotrex
4) Used by Ruf, Hamann etc...including the newest Ruf Porsche Kompressor R
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117299
We are also seriously investigating twin screw designs. The Lysholm twin screw is probably better suited to the lack of low rpm power in many Honda/Acura applications and they have excellent efficiency under high boost (unlike a roots blower). The only issues with the Lysholm is 1) packaging because twin screws are larger and 2) cost. So hopefully sooner rather than later you will see a Twin screw for our cars.
12-26-2006, 02:10 AM
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srsly, i've seen them post all over Honda/Acura forums promising this and that.
dont be too quick to dump Comptech just yet, i'd wait to see how these kits hold up if they ever come to existence.
dont be too quick to dump Comptech just yet, i'd wait to see how these kits hold up if they ever come to existence.
12-27-2006, 01:47 AM
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JDM Laser Fogs!
I am not (if the comment above was directed to me) quick to dump Comptech.. I just wish their S/C's had more HP and TQ, lets say close to 90hp and 75 or so tq. I know thats asking for alot w/ FWD but, a 300 HP 275 TQ TL would be sooo NICE!!!!
I'd save up for one
I'd save up for one
12-27-2006, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by brownie
I am not (if the comment above was directed to me) quick to dump Comptech.. I just wish their S/C's had more HP and TQ, lets say close to 90hp and 75 or so tq. I know thats asking for alot w/ FWD but, a 300 HP 275 TQ TL would be sooo NICE!!!!
I'd save up for one
I'd save up for one
12-27-2006, 04:43 PM
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JDM Laser Fogs!
I knew there were people with 300hp SAE, but i didnt know they were wheel hp.
Good info... i guess with the procats and catback exhaust people are into the 300hp range.
what I want (personally) would be a S/C, and a S/C alone that could take my stock 5AT to 300-315hp w/o procats and a bit better TQ overal. I realize that you have to get a catback exhaust system w/ the FI.
Good info... i guess with the procats and catback exhaust people are into the 300hp range.
what I want (personally) would be a S/C, and a S/C alone that could take my stock 5AT to 300-315hp w/o procats and a bit better TQ overal. I realize that you have to get a catback exhaust system w/ the FI.
