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Old 10-14-2011, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
Ok so after a death and work, i'll be able to install the clutch this sunday hopefully if work doesn't get in the way again... any tips?
Are you doing this yourself? If you are, could you document it? I've got the factory manual and everything but real world experience is better.

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Are you doing this yourself? If you are, could you document it? I've got the factory manual and everything but real world experience is better.

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Yes, My friend and I are doing it using a lift. I also have the manual but like you said, real world expierence is completely better.

I can def document it as much as possible. We dont want to add too much time to already a long day but pics are a def. Anything in particular you need pics of?
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
Make sure to get the clutch pedal adjusted....

Yea, after your horror story, this was already on my lookout of things to make sure i do.
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
Yes, My friend and I are doing it using a lift. I also have the manual but like you said, real world expierence is completely better.

I can def document it as much as possible. We dont want to add too much time to already a long day but pics are a def. Anything in particular you need pics of?
Totally understand. I will appreciate anything you can provide.

Are you dropping the whole engine or supporting it and just dropping the transmission?

I am interested in what needs to be disconnected/removed. Sometimes the manual goes too far.
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Just dropping the tranny. I'll take pics of all connections bolts supporting brackets that need to be removed and go from there.
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theres absolutely no need to drop the engine. i did this crap twice and didn't take a single pic at all lol
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Originally Posted by Opel
theres absolutely no need to drop the engine. i did this crap twice and didn't take a single pic at all lol
The only person I saw here who did this dropped the whole thing.

I've got a 4pt engine support but I don't have a tranny jack. Did you use one? Those things are expensive.
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i used nothing more than, 2 jack stands to sit the car on...another jack stand i shoved underneath the engine (under the oil pan), right before I dropped the subframe..and the jack. nothing fancy...once the subframe was on the ground, and pushed to the side (to the right) to make room for the tranny to drop on the ground...i used my lack to hold the tranny, as I separated it from the motor, and lowered it down with the jack.

installed it the same way...sat the tranny on the jack, pushed it underneath and jacked it up while lining it...then pushed it into place once lined up..... dropped it and installed it by myself (the tranny) . You can do wonders with a hydraulic jack lol
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here, i found my old thread,....a few pics...look at whats holding the motor...and the jack right where the tranny was lowered

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/mt-3rd-gear-failure-fixing-pics-788731/
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do i have to change out my tranny fluid?

Saw your pics opel, i'll see it real life sunday
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
do i have to change out my tranny fluid?

Saw your pics opel, i'll see it real life sunday
well you're gonna drain the tranny, aren't u? unless u plug the shaft holes when u pull the axles....but might as well, put new fluid in. i did both times. u don't have to, but if im gonna drain the fluid, i'll just put a new one in
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Found a parts store with 3 bottles left of GMSMFM!! Picking them up today and having them ready for tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
Found a parts store with 3 bottles left of GMSMFM!! Picking them up today and having them ready for tomorrow.
Sooo how it go Alex?
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https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/dropping-6spd-transmission-diy-questions-updated-post-40-a-835916/

Clutch felt good for all 9 miles driven..

forgot to install the pilot bearing so car is parked until i can redo the job. Clutch felt a whole lot better. But once you look at what i had in there, anything would feel better. Waiting for the FSB to redo the job since subframes got to go down anyways.
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=835916

Clutch felt good for all 9 miles driven..

forgot to install the pilot bearing so car is parked until i can redo the job. Clutch felt a whole lot better. But once you look at what i had in there, anything would feel better. Waiting for the FSB to redo the job since subframes got to go down anyways.
Great write up Alex! Sorry about the pilot bearing though. You will definitely be a clutch replacement expert after this! Mine is at the shop getting installed now. So far they called and mention that I need a new rear main seal. Can't wait!
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
Great write up Alex! Sorry about the pilot bearing though. You will definitely be a clutch replacement expert after this! Mine is at the shop getting installed now. So far they called and mention that I need a new rear main seal. Can't wait!
Remember to adjust pedal. I couldn't get the car into gears properly before the adjustment.
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
Remember to adjust pedal. I couldn't get the car into gears properly before the adjustment.
Trust me, I made sure I mention that when I dropped it off. These guys are pretty good.

Well I got the car back, drove over 40 miles. First impression was not bad at all! Little bit of chatter, but very brief. The pedal feel is a bit stiffer, but ok. Gear shifting is a tad bit harder that before; not sure if more pedal adjustment is needed or not. I can tell that the car picks up alot easier that before (haven't gone over 2k). All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with the feel. 710 miles to go.......
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
Trust me, I made sure I mention that when I dropped it off. These guys are pretty good.

Well I got the car back, drove over 40 miles. First impression was not bad at all! Little bit of chatter, but very brief. The pedal feel is a bit stiffer, but ok. Gear shifting is a tad bit harder that before; not sure if more pedal adjustment is needed or not. I can tell that the car picks up alot easier that before (haven't gone over 2k). All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with the feel. 710 miles to go.......
MAKE SURE THE "ZIPTIE mod" IS STILL THERE.

I had no chatter in my short drive. Might still need some more pedal adjustment.
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When you say shifting is harder, you mean the shifter itself or rev matching smoothly?
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
When you say shifting is harder, you mean the shifter itself or rev matching smoothly?
Just a tad bit more effort in making sure it's in gear; before it felt like butter. That is the best way I can discribe it.
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and it feels different when the car off right..
If so, you need more adjustment. i couldn't shift into gears with the car on when i first installed it.
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
and it feels different when the car off right..
If so, you need more adjustment. i couldn't shift into gears with the car on when i first installed it.
Actually it shifts fine with the car off; just like before.
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then it definitely sounds like you need to adjust the pedal more bro.
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
then it definitely sounds like you need to adjust the pedal more bro.
Thanks I'll try it tomorrow.
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I hate both of you.

But seriously, glad to hear you guys got it installed correctly, unlike me. I still can't believe that one small part was overlooked. So frustrating. Especially hearing you say that the car seems to rev much easier; would've surely helped my trap speed.

But I really do hate you

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Originally Posted by Sonnick
I hate both of you.

But seriously, glad to hear you guys got it installed correctly, unlike me. I still can't believe that one small part was overlooked. So frustrating. Especially hearing you say that the car seems to rev much easier; would've surely helped my trap speed.

But I really do hate you
Yeah I would hate me too....lol! I went by the shop this morning to check the pedal adjustment, but no difference. I will continue to drive the car during the break-in to see if it will get better. Other than that, so far so good. I can't wait to really get on it. There is definitely a difference!
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
Yeah I would hate me too....lol! I went by the shop this morning to check the pedal adjustment, but no difference. I will continue to drive the car during the break-in to see if it will get better. Other than that, so far so good. I can't wait to really get on it. There is definitely a difference!
I believe Sean said to drive it first for xxx miles, then adjust it again. I could be mistaken though so don't take my word for it!

Did you both have trouble getting into gear with the car on before you adjusted the pedal?
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
I believe Sean said to drive it first for xxx miles, then adjust it again. I could be mistaken though so don't take my word for it!

Did you both have trouble getting into gear with the car on before you adjusted the pedal?
Don't know about Alex, but I did remember the mechnic saying they definitely had to adjust it.
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I couldn't get into gear at all
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
Yeah I would hate me too....lol! I went by the shop this morning to check the pedal adjustment, but no difference. I will continue to drive the car during the break-in to see if it will get better. Other than that, so far so good. I can't wait to really get on it. There is definitely a difference!
What do you mean check it?? As in what the book says if it were stock??? Its a whole different clutch, i'd say raise it anyways until it feels good shifting
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
What do you mean check it?? As in what the book says if it were stock??? Its a whole different clutch, i'd say raise it anyways until it feels good shifting
Meaning have the mechanic readjust the pedal for a better feel. But I'm glad you mention that. I think the engagement is lower than what the stock clutch was. I don't think he adjusted it high enough.
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Originally Posted by Opel

I cant really elaborate much on ur car, bcs i never saw it, or was around it with the CM clutch..but somehow i think that u could've gotten it to work, given that you had the right parts. I never had to adjust the pedal....maybe bcs i had it adjusted a while back... i believe the way the CM clutch is built, is in a way that it grabs so low, that the allowed pedal travel isn't enough to disengage it fully or is just on the verge, therefore, it needs a very slight adjustment, so more pressure is applied on the PP, thus reaching complete disengagement
Adrian, this is exactly how it felt when I was adjusting the pedal. It would feel like I was still slightly engaged when shifting so I kept raising it until it shifted smoothly. And this was with the car on and not moving just clutch in and going thru the gears. The clutch grabs so low that you need to back out the pedal more than what stock would require.

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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
Adrian, this is exactly how it felt when I was adjusting the pedal. It would feel like I was still slightly engaged when shifting so I kept raising it until it shifted smoothly. And this was with the car on and not moving just clutch in and going thru the gears. The clutch grabs so low that you need to back out the pedal more than what stock would require.
Ok. I will mess with it some more tomorrow. I've driven it over 200 miles now.......
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Nice. Im still on 9 miles.. and it snowed like 8 inches over here today..

im scared to start the car just to warm her up without the pilot bearing( even though i would start her and drive her to the shop to get the job done lol)
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Originally Posted by InFaMouSLink
Nice. Im still on 9 miles.. and it snowed like 8 inches over here today..

im scared to start the car just to warm her up without the pilot bearing( even though i would start her and drive her to the shop to get the job done lol)
8 inches of snow?! That's crazy! I don't even want to see snow this year...lol!
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Ok so after over 300 miles of driving, I still wasn't happy with the shifting. So I took it back to the shop and had them adjust the clutch to what Alex suggested. It feels alot better now, but the engagement is really high though. One thing that concerns me is when the clutch starts to wear down alittle, wouldn't it start slipping? Wouldn't I have to readjust the clutch again?

I just remember on a previous car that I installed an aftermarket clutch. Didn't like the engagement, so I had it readjusted really close to the highest position. Then after a week, it started slipping.
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That makes sense if you've got the clutch adjusted so that the PP is never fully released. As the disc get's thinner with use, the pressure would be reducing over time. That would be bad for the throwout bearing and both the master and slave cylinder.

Maybe CM is selling a PP that just have too much throw for our systems?
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Glad it feels better adrian. My clutch catches right under half way of the pedal travel and I know I can go lower. How high is yours?
Do what sonnick said, after the breakin period, readjust just to fine tune it to your preferred height and go from there. how's the grab so far?
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
Ok so after over 300 miles of driving, I still wasn't happy with the shifting. So I took it back to the shop and had them adjust the clutch to what Alex suggested. It feels alot better now, but the engagement is really high though. One thing that concerns me is when the clutch starts to wear down alittle, wouldn't it start slipping? Wouldn't I have to readjust the clutch again?

I just remember on a previous car that I installed an aftermarket clutch. Didn't like the engagement, so I had it readjusted really close to the highest position. Then after a week, it started slipping.
I had my CM FX300 clutch installed little over a year ago (part & labor $1700). I put nearly 21k miles on it and its being replaced this weekend with an OEM set. I'm really disappointed with CM quality. As you stated earlier, having problems shifting smoothly into gears. I had the same exact issue as well. After adjusting the pedal, it fixed the problem. I did experience that once the clutch start to wear, it started slipping. I tried readjusting the pedal, but it didnt make any difference.

I wish you all the best with your CM clutch... unfortunately, I will not be purchasing their product in the near future.
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Originally Posted by 99vtecaccord
I had my CM FX300 clutch installed little over a year ago (part & labor $1700). I put nearly 21k miles on it and its being replaced this weekend with an OEM set. I'm really disappointed with CM quality. As you stated earlier, having problems shifting smoothly into gears. I had the same exact issue as well. After adjusting the pedal, it fixed the problem. I did experience that once the clutch start to wear, it started slipping. I tried readjusting the pedal, but it didnt make any difference.

I wish you all the best with your CM clutch... unfortunately, I will not be purchasing their product in the near future.

Did you ever fix your slave cylinder/master cylinder?
Can you take pics of the setup once removed.


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