I have seen superchargers out for the TL but in order to get the real power out of that supercharged you need Forged internals and a few other things, because you can only run about 6-8psi safely on the factory motor and that might be pushing it.
Is there any brand that make Forged internals for the 3.2 & 3.5 V6?
I was just thinking of a build on the lines of a 9.5:1 or 9:1 CR with forged intrenals, little head work, trans work ect. I am sure with the right set up you could make around 450-500fwhp around 15psi on pump gas with some meth, maybe more power!
So what i need to ask is: ( i have been searching)
Who maked forged intrenals (not worried about the crank, good luck trying to break it)
Is there tuning avaiable for our cars? (Dyno tuning, AFR, ect.)
I am sure the axles, clutch, and some trans. parts need to be worked out also, any idea?

 

need a tuned engine in order to put out 15psi.

Comptech SC (Only SC for TL) can only go up to 4psi.

similar threads have been beaten to death, search my friend

 

If you're not worried about the crank, I guess you are just looking for pistons and rods? Why aren't you worried about the crank? You honestly think the stock crank is good for that type of power...

 

good luck getting 15 psi outta that blower! lol im making 330whp on 4 psi with simple boltons...15psi would be well over 500whp on the TL, that is with a GT35 or something...i think eagle makes rods and JE makes custom pistons...you could always go with the j32a2 pistons which are 10.5:1

 

Try a rear-mounted turbo. Thats something i'd like to see

 

Sounds like an STS kit like for F-Bodys and Corvettes... intresting idea because there is no room in the engine bay.

 

correct me if i'm wrong, but anything over 11 psi on a supercharger is pretty much worthless because it's just throwing hot air into the engine.

 

Most cranks are a very solid piece, until something else breaks and hits the crank. For an example, lots of guys that i personaly know are puching 1100rwhp on a factory LS1 crank and thats just where it almost starts to flex. (LS1 engine is rated @ 350hp)

I said 15psi above in my OP, i was just throwing a number out there.

 

What are your mods?

 

10.5:1CR is high for a S/C.
(8.5:1CR for a turbo, 9.5:1CR for a S/C. but thats prime for an LS1)

 

you don't always have to have a certain lowered compression for f/i. It might be wise, but look at this, I believe the rsx is 11:1? And they've been pushing +400 whp on stock block, rods, etc. same compression. every motor is different, this isn't an LS1.

I'm still learning, but I think these motors can handle a good amount of power, and any lowered compression is good, if you want to be on the safe side.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong as I'm still learning. don't flame me >.<

 

look again...

if you install the bracket the comptech supercharger comes with, you will relocate the battery lower pretty much even with the cai... you now have plenty of room

 

unless your going turbo and plan on running massive amounts of boost, forged internals are a big waste of time IMO. the comptech supercharger (M62) maxes out at 9-10psi before it looses efficiency. with a good tune, stock internals are plenty enough for that, even at 11:1 compression. the roots style charger with bypass valve, gives a linear powerband, which is alot less stressful on the components, compared to TC'ing.

 

I'd run forged internals just to hit up a quick 150shot

 

Looks like i have to do some more research on CR for these engines.
From what i have learned with in the passed few years, a lower CR with FI is better because you can boost more safely and it decreses the chance of early detination.

Any spefic sites or anything out there that can help me out?

 

Also does anybody know of anyone who does tuning for these cars on the east coast?
Or do you do your own tuning, not tune at all?

 

I think that's been the big hurdle with the TL-S, there really aren't any tuning options. You're going to want to research standalone EMS's and see if you can find a competent tuner who's willing to take on the job. Unless you know how to tune standalones yourself, then you're in good shape. Keep in mind that you're also going to want to start looking at more suspension mods to be able to hook up. 500fwhp is just gonna create a gigantic smoke show and massive torque steer unless you address the suspension and obviously the tires.

 

^i agree..the tl has trouble hooking up to the ground with it being all stock as it is

 

Looks like i will have to do a lot of searching for tuning, because if i can not get a tune there is no point in moding. Tuning makes it safe, and you get every last bit out of your engine mods. (AFR, timing, high and low Octane tables, ect.)

To get the tires to hook i already have figured out.
I'll need some nice axles, someone who will rebuild trans to make them stronger, and some tires.

 

Get forged internals, stroke it and switch the M62 to the M112 and pulley it. In all seriousness you guys cant really do too much until you can start playing with timing and A/f ratio. Has anyone tried to get a bigger crank pully made for it? Keep the stock blower pully on and try a 10% OD crank pully. You will get more torque and more boost than going down one size on the blower pulley.

 

The problem this guy is facing is two fold though:
1) There isn't a supercharger out for the 3g TL-S yet
2) There isn't a form of engine management out either

So he's gotta face those two problems before he worries about pulley swaps and big power

 

I was planning on keeping my 08' TL-S stock and buying a 2005-2008 TL and moding that.

 

Psh, there are way better platforms for making 500whp, aren't wrong wheel drive and that will require a lot less guesswork and headache! Have at it though

PS: I wish I was buying multiple cars / project cars when I was 18. You kids have it too good nowadays :P

 

There's nothing wrong with having a sleeper TL.

 

Not necessary the only reason the TL type-S doesn't have a S/C kit ready is because they haven't been able to manufacture a tune (Comptech), they've been lazy about it because they don't believe the demand will be there.

But the S/C for the base models should fit on the TL type-S, all you need is like everyone else has mentioned, tuning.

 

well lookinco got the wiring figured on on the AEM F/IC, multiple people are running the greddy emanage ultimate, and on member here was running a dual piggy back setup, greddy emanage ultimate and blue.

 

I completely agree.
But i also like the idea of

 

A Forged engine doesnt seem like thats my restriction. What is my restrictions are the SC and the tune.
I might have to look into a custom turbo set up or I'll have to look into a custom procharger, and for the tune... i have no idea.
I would like to get my own software for the TL because i tune my F-body and others on the dyno.

 

Greddy emanage ultimate doesn't seem to be supporting out cars...?

 

Reading over your posts, I think you're on the right track. I don't think anyone knows the power limit of our motor because no one has had a failure yet that wasn't related to tuning.

I agree that the stock crank will probably take all the power you can throw at it. I believe the factory piece is forged.

The block looks very beefy.

I would worry about the pistons and rods. The rods look like little toothpicks and the pistons look like your typical Honda low friction high rpm fragile pieces.

Any piston manufacturer will custom make a set of forged pistons for around $600. They will take stock specs and adjust as necessary for boost like moving the ring lands lower in the piston and a lower compression ratio. I like JE. Mine were $650 for a custom set and tool steel pins for the GN.

Same with rods. I doubt this would be a custom item. There's probably a rod out there somewhere that will work in the TL. $600 will get you a nice set of rods.

For what it's worth, the bottom end on the GN is mostly stock. I'm even running the factory cast crank and rods. Tuning is a big factor in how far you can push the factory parts before failure. I've nearly tripled the factory hp at the crank and it's still going but I did blow it at half the power it makes now before I knew how to tune.

As far as tuning, you're stuck for now. Only options for really being able to control things would be something like a FAST or Big Stuff which would never let the car pass smog. It would be a challenge to get vtec to work with it too.

 

I think i just might scrap the idea because the huge hold back is the trans, and tune. And the tune is everything.
Was a sweet idea when it started, but when i did some searching on the site, and talked to my engine builder and such it seems like there is not much room for improvement.
Maybe i will just do an intake, exhaust and try a SC on my 08' TL-S, and look into another car to make big power for a sleeper. Other cars have alot more parts out for them and such.
AWD is out of the question because my dyno is not an AWD dyno, and i never really like AWD to begin with.

Thank you for all your input, who knows maybe something will come along...

 

keep your type s to daily drive, and get something much easier to mod for your rocket.

 

dude try the sts turbo... I brought that thread up and everyone killed it... if you were to do single exit you could mount the turbo on the driver side

04 accord coupe and the frankenstein emanage (ultimate + blue @ same time)... seems to be the perfect solution and you could use the frankenstein emanage to tune the car...

nicepeta is running the tl type s ecu in his car without any problems + custom tune + in an accord = successfull

if I wasn't a broke graduate student I'd be more inclined to do something crazy... but for now I will just keep my platform as it is and wait for RacingHart03 to do something crazy rofl...

 

I like the idea of a TL sleeper too but in the end it's going to suck up all your money and never be that fast due to the FWD platform. RWD would be a nice start if you're looking for something to terrorize the street scene.

 

A big single turbo TL with an AWD or RWD conversion would be pretty sweet, but the cost and custom fabrication involved I bet would be tremendous!! There are a few WRX / STis out there in the drift scene that have been converted to RWD.

 

It would be cool to see the look on someone's face when a TL launches on a high powered RWD car. If I had the money that's a project I would do. However, it takes all my money just to keep the GN running.

Is the WRX conversion as simple as removing the front driveshaft or is there a lot more involved?

 

i had somemone in tampa offer to drop a single turbo setup in the car for a few grand like 8k and a year without the car so he can show it....i said no thanks. the wildest thing he told me was that the turbo would take the place of the stock intake pipe n battery...also said i wouldnt get more than 400 on stock internals without blowing up the motor n tranny... so serious work and time has to be taken into consideration when doing something with this car like that...good luck dude.

 

I'm honestly not sure what it took to get them converted so I did some quick research and here's what I found. Apparently it's not as much work to convert a WRX to RWD as it is for other AWD imports like EVOs, 3000GTs, etc.

"Kuma's new car is a GDB running a 2.5 engine with a TD06 25G and from what I've seen it looks like a normal Impreza gearbox with the driveshafts removed. It may have Hollinger internals and it's probably sequential as his Silvia was sequential too. The "driveshaft" I'm not sure of but the diff is a R33 GTR diff which was fabricated to fit. The normal R160 Impreza diffs are weak so they changed it to a GTR33. Also the radiator is mounted in the rear of the car hence the big vents in rear panels. Car was built by Jun!"

Some pictures of the car:




Sorry for the hijack, that's just kinda cool!

 

To Gordon0652's original question...

You might try http://www.honda-performance.com/

aka, KMS Engine Development. They have lots of the goodies you're asking about...many made for the J series motors. BTW, they also offer throttle body mouth widening & bridge narrowing for $250, I think.

Happy & safe motoring!

 

It does support it, but you can't adjust a few things with it, that's why the combo with blue was used. I forgot which member did that though...